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[bEVEsthda]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

To bEVEsthda's comment about voice modulation to account for different races, this kind of alteration would still take up a huge amount of disc space, either to have a program that can do this or to have six different voice tracks for an entire game altered this way.

I'm hardly an advocate of voiced char,
 
but I never meant that the voices would be altered 'prior' to distribution. Nope, the player will tweak sliders to adjust the voice to her/his taste, at character creation. And I don't think the code will take up that much space. Any problem might be more about having to licence a technology and add cost that way.

[dheer]

Aaleel wrote...
Multiple race options by far. My all time favorite RPGs had no voiced protagonist, I don't know why I would find it so hard to stomach now.

But if they do bring back multiple races, I hope they have more race specific quests and story.

Pretty much sums up how I feel about it. I'm much more interested in the important part of a conversation, the reaction to my choices.

One thing that I thought would be kind of cool would be a kind of hybrid. Silent in normal conversations with the cinematic animations focused on your chat target but able to give a speech like the Warden should have in front of the gates of Denerim, depending on your voice choice when creating your character. It would allow choice of voice and race, some cinematic moments and keep cost down on multiple voices needed.

[Duncaaaaaan]

I would like to choose my own race, and go back to text dialogue. Much better.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Useless discussion. Voiced is here to say. If that means multiple races fall by the wayside, I'll kick some leaves over them and call it funeral.

[Zeevico]

I'd rather multiple origins and unvoiced; but then I'm not enamoured of amateurish cinematics that devs try to pass off as some essemtial aspect of the gameplay experience.

[Xewaka]

I'd probably go for species pick. Mostly because voice acting means paraphrases, and paraphrases means I no longer have control over the character.

[Huntress]

I like the protagonist to have a voice, I do want the different races to be back but, not while losing the speach, oh and I ask bioware to repair the Elves, am not playing as a horror movie creature.

[Annarl]

Wow that's a tough question. Both options have benefits and drawbacks. But if I had to choose I would pick voice character.

[bEVEsthda]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Useless discussion. Voiced is here to say. If that means multiple races fall by the wayside, I'll kick some leaves over them and call it funeral.

I would also want DA3 to be exactly as I want it to be, with no concern whatsoever for general marketability or the survival of the franchise.  ...And then I think: Then what?

But I suspect you're right. I doubt any direction is 'right' now. And voiced will probably stay. And I kinda doubt I'll buy DA3, but that is something I will not decide in advance. I'll give them a fair chance.

[Luigitornado]

If they really wanted to they could just have one male voice actor, and one female voice actor....there would just have to be more dialogue recorded for race-specific happenings...

[grregg]

I'd choose voiced protagonist.

[Sylvianus]

I like that DA is different from Mass Effect, he had its qualities and its faults, but mostly its own personality. I hope to find again a silent heroes, but it doesn't bother me to find voiced protagonist if it is worked (the wheel) and allows us a wider range of choice.

[Monica83]

Race selection more customization...

[Cutlass Jack]

I don't see how these two things are mutually exclusive.

[Nameless2345]

Voiced protagonist. Race choice didn't matter in BG series story-wise and offered only minor dialogue variations in DA:O.
Various origins is another matter.
Also using different races with conflicting interests severely  limits the plot. Even in DA:O the Blight was, I'd say, insufficient motivation. It was a blessing for dwarves (less pressure on Orzammar, opportunity to reclame lost thaigs), indifferent for Dalish (nomadic, interested in weakening humans) and a nice chance to give a big "screw you"  and  migrate to, say, Tevinter for mages.

Modifié par Nameless2345, 02 août 2011 - 03:30 .

[jds1bio]

Both options are easier to do, than say, actually focusing on a character's race and the implications of being of that race in the world. So far, choosing my race in DA has given me a particular origin to play through, but no hard trials or gameplay variations beyond combat stats and pruning of romance options.

Now imagine that in DA3 your character was a voiced elf, and could only be an elf, and started life in an alienage and persecuted. Could you still play it?

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

bEVEsthda wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Useless discussion. Voiced is here to say. If that means multiple races fall by the wayside, I'll kick some leaves over them and call it funeral.

I would also want DA3 to be exactly as I want it to be, with no concern whatsoever for general marketability or the survival of the franchise.  ...And then I think: Then what?

Oh, m'man, I so totally hear you.  If I had my way, I'd steal character creation from Sims 3 and mix it up with APB or Brink's character creation.  DA3 would be a hybrid RPG-FPS-Stealth-erotic-4X game.  It would rule.

[Cutlass Jack]

APB's character creation is completely wasted on APB.

[PsychaDurmont]

The voiced character was fun but I'd really prefer more choice in my main character.

So if I have to lose voice for more choices so be it. And who knows maybe like the Sir gilmore mod will be able to add my own voice for my own character someday (I know how daunting of a task that is but still... it would be cool).

[Huntress]

jds1bio wrote...

Both options are easier to do, than say, actually focusing on a character's race and the implications of being of that race in the world. So far, choosing my race in DA has given me a particular origin to play through, but no hard trials or gameplay variations beyond combat stats and pruning of romance options.

Now imagine that in DA3 your character was a voiced elf, and could only be an elf, and started life in an alienage and persecuted. Could you still play it?

I would buy it.. If I have the choice of picking to play as a female elf any build and she has Fhawke voice :innocent:
of course DA2 elves are not the type of elves i want to play to start with. /shivers
I do like elves and if they take part in Mages vs templar vs seeker am all for it.

[MonkeyLungs]

I prefer the DAO way. That's my number one choice. My least favorite choice is the DA2 way, it was just too limited.

The race choices were so limited in DAO already ... then StreamlinowarEA decides to reduce the already limited choice even more.

I at least want to be able to play as an elf, dwarf, human, or human or elf mage. I think it would have been good if we would have got more choices for part 2 instead of less choices.

As a caveat I have to say that Bioware hires some great voice actors and they all do a wonderful job but the amount of content that has to be streamlined out when everything needs to be voiced is a bad trade for RPG's. I would be stoked with a system like BG2 where just really important dialogues are voiced and the rest is all text.

No paraphrasing please!

Also, human is my least chosen race pick in DA:O. All you same same human male warrior players out there need to mix it up some so Bioware's stat analysis don't lead to them eliminating race choice .. oh wait, too late. Thanks you boring MF'ers!

[Edhriano]

Choice over voice,
nuf' said ...

[Fast Jimmy]

This conversation brings me to a line of thought I've had a lot over the last couple months...

Would I pay more for the perfect Dragon Age game?

I mean, honestly. Games like Prototype cost the same amount as a new Dragon Age game. Despite Prototype being pretty garbage, it is coming out with a sequel soon since it made enough money. Meanwhile, Dragon Age 2 is forced to cut budgetary corners to come in at the same $60 sticker price and there are people calling it the death of the series.

People don't go to a car lot and see a Ferrari and a Focus for the same sticker price. Why should we expect the same of games? You go to the store and see 1200 different types of phones for varying sticker prices, but go to a game store and the only things there that have a different price are the consoles and the used games.

Shouldn't games without many features and have low gameplay be cheaper in price, while games that want to offer the "deluxe" game experience cost more, like say the $80-100 range?

[ReallyRue]

I voted for one voice + race voice.

I prefer the voiced protagonist for various reasons, but it bothers me when I have to play as a human. If that meant one voice for all female options and one for all male, then I could live with that. I'm sure they could find a voice that was interesting or unique enough to fit some different races.

[Wydi]

ReallyRue wrote...

I voted for one voice + race voice.

I prefer the voiced protagonist for various reasons, but it bothers me when I have to play as a human. If that meant one voice for all female options and one for all male, then I could live with that. I'm sure they could find a voice that was interesting or unique enough to fit some different races.

Plus, you could add an option to disable the voices if you don't think it fits or it simply annoys you.
I'd consider this to be the best way.

(This would require the end of paraphrasing, of course, but I prefer the DAO style anyways)