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[LPPrince]

PrimalEden wrote...

Maybe the complaint about the blonde winning is connected to the recent demand for blondes in some threads.
Maybe it's because the ME novels have declared blonde to be a rare color and thus is elevated to a perceived highly prized status while the common brunette is unintentionally further degraded to a lowly, bucolic, forgettable impression?
I'll have no complaints about a blonde Femshep as representative so long as I also get that hairstyle in ME3 and I can change the color for my own character. Love how the stray strands fall naturally as if she had been in combat. Much of the hairstyles are too neat, too stiff-looking

You get a cookie for the use of the word bucolic.

[nirodhafy]

I'm just glad that Bioware is giving femshep the love she's always deserved. All of the models were well-done and beautiful. Admittedly, I'm glad that 5 won. I'm naturally blonde myself, but I've never been able to do a femshep based off of me because of how awful and fake the blonde hair options looked. Femshep 5 doesn't look like she dunked her head in peroxide, so I approve

But that doesn't mean that I would have been upset if others had won instead. I loved 1, 4 and 6 too, and was too torn between all of them to vote for just one.

And seriously, just because someone's hair is blonde doesn't mean that there's nothing going on under it, and just because *a* femshep's hair is blonde doesn't mean that she's anything less than Commander Shepard.

So thank you, Bioware, for giving my favorite female video game character an upgrade, and including the choice to make her my own. Thank you thank you thank you. It sucks that you guys get ****ed at no matter what you do, but a lot of people really appreciate your efforts.

[Malanek]

Hathur wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Hathur wrote...

Ultimatley does it even matter much at all? The only way you'll get to play the default femshep is by starting ME3 from scratch... no import at all... and let's face it, that's kinda insane to do (unless you're just jumping into the series for the first time by going straight to ME3.. then great, welcome aboard).

I'll never end up playing default femshep because I have dozens of sheps to import and there's little to no incentive to play a 'fresh start' shep over an import shep.. so ultimately the new face matters very little to me.

Are you basing this off anything official? I was under the impression you will be able to change an imported face and class just like in ME2. In fact I would go so far to say it is utterly pointless for Bioware to even design a new hi res femshep face if it will be unused by such a large percentage of the player base.

Casey Hudson on his twitter account said we'll be able to make cosmetic changes to our imported shepard (hair, etc)... not completely rebuild the face... selecting default femshep for an import would constitute rebuilding the entire face... thus, that option is out for imports.

You want fancy new femshep? Gotta start a new shep, non import.

OK. IMO sounds like a pretty questionable design decision.

Edit: I have checked Caseys tweets for the last month because this didn't sound right and have not been able to find what you are talking about. In fact I have found a couple that seem to contradict what you have stated.
"Yes, you will be able to tweak your imported ME2 character in ME3" and
"You can adjust your appearance in #ME3, not your decision history as some sites are assuming."
I strongly suspect you are wrong on this.

Modifié par Malanek999, 03 août 2011 - 03:15 .

[Fishy]

I closed my eyes and started thinking about the biggest and most bad ass  woman-soldier of the galaxy and looked upon the pic . Big dissapointement.

She look more like a top-model wearing a costume for halloween.
Anyway i don't care . I always pick my custom male shep.

Modifié par Suprez30, 03 août 2011 - 02:56 .

[Agamo45]

Female Shepard doesn't exist for me, so it's all good.

[Shotokanguy]

Good Lord, 18 pages? 5 was enough.

It's funny, that goldfish line in the first post is actually how I view the way so many of you are reacting to this. BioWare gives a centimeter and we whine because it wasn't measured in inches.

You know what it seems like to me? All these years, the people who have wanted FemShep to be noticed, to be treated fairly...judging from the way they're reacting, what a lot of these people really wanted was for BioWare to personally hand craft their own female Shepard and put in the game for them.

[Xeranx]

Shotokanguy wrote...

Good Lord, 18 pages? 5 was enough.

It's funny, that goldfish line in the first post is actually how I view the way so many of you are reacting to this. BioWare gives a centimeter and we whine because it wasn't measured in inches.

You know what it seems like to me? All these years, the people who have wanted FemShep to be noticed, to be treated fairly...judging from the way they're reacting, what a lot of these people really wanted was for BioWare to personally hand craft their own female Shepard and put in the game for them.

That's very wrong and you know it.  People would have been more than fine if they had redone the regular default and put her on the box.  That includes me who would have liked to have finally seen a positive portrayal of a person of color in that role.  That they gave the choice for it and all accounts seem to be that the decision was based on hair style.  If find that to be a problem in itself.  What bothers me, specifically, is the fact that two of the depicitions each had a one in five chance of making it if you don't put them in the running against each other.  It's heavily skewed and entirely unfair in that regard.  If you want to say otherwise I'd like to see you or anyone else clearly illustrate how it isn't.

[Darth Death]

Well, apparently the majority loves blondes or in other-words the norm. This is to be expected.

[Boiny Bunny]

Xeranx wrote...

That includes me who would have liked to have finally seen a positive portrayal of a person of color in that role.  That they gave the choice for it and all accounts seem to be that the decision was based on hair style.  If find that to be a problem in itself.  What bothers me, specifically, is the fact that two of the depicitions each had a one in five chance of making it if you don't put them in the running against each other.  It's heavily skewed and entirely unfair in that regard.  If you want to say otherwise I'd like to see you or anyone else clearly illustrate how it isn't.

I think you'll find that many paler skinned gamers automatically rejected 4 and 6 in favour of 1, 2, 3, or 5.  Once they had it narrowed down to that point, and given that 1, 2, 3, and 5 all have virtually identical faces, it naturally came down to hair style.

I'm not exactly sure what you think is unfair or skewed? 

I sincerely doubt 6 would have been the favorite (for example) even if it had 5's hair (or hair style), due to a (seeming) lack of interest from those who voted in playing a darker skinned protagonist.

[GreenDragon37]

Personally, I was a fan of number 4, but oh well.

[MegaBadExample]

Agamo45 wrote...

Female Shepard doesn't exist for me, so it's all good.

Same here.

Seriously. They got their femshep and they're still complaining????

[elearon1]

Xeranx wrote...

That includes me who would have liked to have finally seen a positive portrayal of a person of color in that role.  That they gave the choice for it and all accounts seem to be that the decision was based on hair style.  If find that to be a problem in itself.  What bothers me, specifically, is the fact that two of the depicitions each had a one in five chance of making it if you don't put them in the running against each other.  It's heavily skewed and entirely unfair in that regard.  If you want to say otherwise I'd like to see you or anyone else clearly illustrate how it isn't.

So, you're saying there should have only been ONE person of color in that list?  Then what?  You'd be complaining that they only got one spot on the list and were being underrepresented.  There is no way to win with an argument like that.  

I thought #5 came together better, in my image of the tough marine chick turned cerberus operative, than any of the others.  I *have* played dark skinned women in DA:O and DA2, so it is hardly an issue of me being biased ... I simply thought #5 worked better for the image I wanted - in *Shepard*.  I'd have no problems with a female Hawke being black. (well, aside form issues with setting continuety ... have we seen any black skinned humans in Thedas? )  

Nonetheless, you can still make a personalized Shep with black skin ... my Shep looks nothing like the blond chick. (though I wouldn't mind playing with her as an alt)

[elearon1]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Agamo45 wrote...

Female Shepard doesn't exist for me, so it's all good.

Same here.

Seriously. They got their femshep and they're still complaining???? 

Well, Man Shep doesn't exist in my playthroughs either, so it's all the same.  That said, I can see people wanting to have FemShep be representative of their tastes ... I just hope they don't let the fact they got a FemShep on the box cover be burried beneath the debate over her skin or hair color.  ONE STEP AT A TIME, and all that.  

[Sherbet Lemon]

I don't have a problem with blonde femShep.  Let me repeat:  I don't have a problem with blonde femShep.  Stereotyping blondes, debasing blondes, sexualizing blondes is emblematic of a patriarchal society and speaks to the way in which gender binaries affix themselves and manifest as fact.  Yes, blonde women are stereotyped something awful and are caricatured and yes, it stinks.  But– I resent the terms being thrown about without context.  Bigotry?  Lumping all of the darkhaired Shepards into one category against the blonde femShep? Um no. It's making me pretty uncomfortable.  Check your privilege.

Why?  Because blonde, brunette, redhead, doesn't matter.  The default is still white.  The OP was speaking to the kneejerk reaction of the populace to pick "caucasian" as the default face, the ideal marketable face of femShep.  Yes, blondes are a rarity in the Mass Effect world, but there is no shortage of female blonde superheroines depicted in mainstream imagery.  From Buffy (and maker knows I LOVE Buffy), to Veronica Mars to Supergirl to Olivia Dunham, we get to see blonde women, strong women, white women save the day. 

OP, I get what you're saying.  I was routing for number 4 and number 6.  I was hoping that the sort of socialization that leads to these sorts of choices could be overcome, but I also know that the way cultural ideals inculcate and resonate within our consciousness is subtle and that sometimes we don't even realize that we have internalized them.  That's why I will keep my canon femShep, Genvieve Shepard who is part French and part Kenyan fighting the good fight.  Saya Shepard, who is a mix of African-American and Japanese-American will also have her time winning against the Reapers, and of course, I can't forget Ellery Shepard (another one of mine) who is black Canadian as she will also have her opportunity to give Harbinger the boot and be a hero as well  Those women are my versions of femShep. 

They won't be in the marketing of the game and they won't seen by anyone except me either, but that does not negate their existence.  This also doesn't mean that I can't support a blonde femShep because femShep is FINALLY getting her due.  The way I see is that it's a start.  And it's encouraging that we can have these sort of dialogues, especially civil ones.

[elearon1]

Chris Priestly wrote...
 I think allowing our fans to actually chose something like this and including it in teh game was a pretty cool decision by the Dev and Marketing teams.

Agreed, allowing us to decide how she'd look - even if some people don't like the result - was a cooler option than saying "this is what you get, deal with it". (after all, I'm sure we'd hear just as much outcry about not being able to choose, and the version the devs chose, as we are now.)

People need to realize that "getting everything you want" isn't the only definition of success. 

[LiquidLogic2020]

I can see why he would be disappointed, sure she looks great but not for the role of a badass. And a solider with long flowing hair? Realy?

[Homebound]

i still think femshep shouldve been an updated default.

[elearon1]

LiquidLogic2020 wrote...
 a solider with long flowing hair? Realy?

That's why it is science FICTION.  The fiction part allows us to suspend disbelief in favor of what we like to see. 

[GreenDragon37]

Village Idiot wrote...

I don't have a problem with blonde femShep.  Let me repeat:  I don't have a problem with blonde femShep.  Stereotyping blondes, debasing blondes, sexualizing blondes is emblematic of a patriarchal society and speaks to the way in which gender binaries affix themselves and manifest as fact.  Yes, blonde women are stereotyped something awful and are caricatured and yes, it stinks.  But– I resent the terms being thrown about without context.  Bigotry?  Lumping all of the darkhaired Shepards into one category against the blonde femShep? Um no. It's making me pretty uncomfortable.  Check your privilege.

Why?  Because blonde, brunette, redhead, doesn't matter.  The default is still white.  The OP was speaking to the kneejerk reaction of the populace to pick "caucasian" as the default face, the ideal marketable face of femShep.  Yes, blondes are a rarity in the Mass Effect world, but there is no shortage of female blonde superheroines depicted in mainstream imagery.  From Buffy (and maker knows I LOVE Buffy), to Veronica Mars to Supergirl to Olivia Dunham, we get to see blonde women, strong women, white women save the day. 

OP, I get what you're saying.  I was routing for number 4 and number 6.  I was hoping that the sort of socialization that leads to these sorts of choices could be overcome, but I also know that the way cultural ideals inculcate and resonate within our consciousness is subtle and that sometimes we don't even realize that we have internalized them.  That's why I will keep my canon femShep, Genvieve Shepard who is part French and part Kenyan fighting the good fight.  Saya Shepard, who is a mix of African-American and Japanese-American will also have her time winning against the Reapers, and of course, I can't forget Ellery Shepard (another one of mine) who is black Canadian as she will also have her opportunity to give Harbinger the boot and be a hero as well  Those women are my versions of femShep. 

They won't be in the marketing of the game and they won't seen by anyone except me either, but that does not negate their existence.  This also doesn't mean that I can't support a blonde femShep because femShep is FINALLY getting her due.  The way I see is that it's a start.  And it's encouraging that we can have these sort of dialogues, especially civil ones.

This person knows what's up. Number 4 was my choice, but I knew that she wouldn't win as soon as I saw the blonde haired Shepard. The vote was cast before it already began...

Then again, my main character is a African-American Male Shep. Tried to model him off of me as much as possible. However I am glad FemShep got the recognition she deserved, even if I wasn't happy with the outcome.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 03 août 2011 - 05:41 .

[TiaraBlade]

Blonde wasn't my choice personally (I selected the one that looked biracial). One problem with the selections was that three of them, with very close cropped hair, looked quite similar to each other.

That said, I am quite happy that we are getting acknowledgement of a FemShep; quite cool and thank you Bioware!

[Shimmer_Gloom]

Oh, yes I agree that it sucks that a the only option we got for a black Femshep was... well... kinda light skinned. And had long hair.

There is nothing WRONG but it doesn't help either.

Though I take some comfort that the character creator can do a decent job of making a black femshep. One of my femsheps is a fabulous black lady. I had to give her a shaved head because none of the hairstyles really fit my idea of what how my femshep would be. That is, the kind of woman who doesn't have time for a regular perm...

Anyway. This is besides the point. Gender equality is making racial equality take a back seat at the moment and that is a real shame. I think we should talk about it.

But I also think Bioware should get credit where it is due. Female Shepard is an amazing character and deserves recognition.

[LPPrince]

TiaraBlade wrote...

(I selected the one that looked biracial)

God, I thought that said bisexual. I was like, "What the he.......OOOOOOOH."

[LiquidLogic2020]

elearon1 wrote...

LiquidLogic2020 wrote...
 a solider with long flowing hair? Realy?

That's why it is science FICTION.  The fiction part allows us to suspend disbelief in favor of what we like to see. 

You keep telling yourself that, mass effect is more space opera than sci fi an sci fi is suposed to be more or less plausible. The hair just dosent go with the character.

Modifié par LiquidLogic2020, 03 août 2011 - 05:49 .