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[Boiny Bunny]

ME1 was sci-fi. That's why there are no long hair options at all (there was a large debate on BSN about this before ME1 came out) - ME2 was much more space opera. ME3 is looking to be more space opera than ever before.

[xXljoshlXx]

Village idiot what are you talking about it's quite clear the OP was just upset that her preferred choice didn't win

[Sherbet Lemon]

fibchopkin wrote...

You... are incredibly well spoken (well typed?)  I wish I'd said this ^ instead of my initial post- probably would've garnered less rage. 

Aww shucks. Thanks, fibchopkin.    I just hope I didn't sound like a jerk.  I know sometimes I have a tendency to do that.  It's difficult to communicate on a forum sometimes.

I just wanted to let you know that I understood what you were saying.  I just think that one pcgamer article made a lot of people mad and they were already bothered by that article (understandably) so there was much vitriol still to be shared here in this thread.

[Orion1836]

I would have liked an HD update of the original "Plain Jane with the eyebrow scar and a bit of an underbite" that was default FemShep.

[Boiny Bunny]

fibchopkin wrote...

I just think she's the same face we already see everywhere else.

That is a much better way of saying what you wanted to.

But honestly, other than being disappointed that your own favorite was not selected, I don't see a problem here.  Bioware did not actually select a blonde with long hair and force everybody to accept it.  They gave us a somewhat racially diverse selection, and the majority of the players, voted for the caucasian blonde with long hair.  You can't argue with what the majority of people who use the product actually want.

For the record, I also take issue with you implying that the people who voted for number 5 are any of:

Immature
Unaccepting
Not responsible

As your comment "Thanks for trying Bioware, but apparantly, we're not ready for that kind of responsibility yet" might indicate any of.

If I had to venture a guess as to why the caucasian options were vastly more popular than the others, it would simply be that the majority of the fanbase is caucasian.  That does not mean that they are unaccepting of darker skinned people - it simply means that they want to play a character that resembles themselves.

Modifié par Boiny Bunny, 03 août 2011 - 06:08 .

[Dexi]

 Can anyone make a ME2 FemShep resembling number 1? 
I find her much hotter than Shepard 5, that's why I voted 5 lol 

Modifié par Dexi, 03 août 2011 - 06:23 .

[laudable11]

Is she a natural blond?

I thought I read in one of the Mass Effect books that natural blonds did not exist anymore.

[FiveThreeTen]

Orion1836 wrote...

I would have liked an HD update of the original "Plain Jane with the eyebrow scar and a bit of an underbite" that was default FemShep.

She will be in the game, and maybe slightly more polished. After all, Sheploo, PlainJane and our custom Shep looked all a bit different in ME2 but I don't know if the transition from ME2 to ME3 will be noticeable.

On a side note, if old Jane had been chosen, I wonder if there would be so many people complaining that she looked too caucasian. Maybe it's just me but green eyed redheads are even more rare than blondes, and she has really fair skin too.

[LPPrince]

laudable11 wrote...

Is she a natural blond?

I thought I read in one of the Mass Effect books that natural blonds did not exist anymore.

They do exist, they're just hard to find, i.e. rare.

Kahlee Sanders is a natural blonde.

[elearon1]

LiquidLogic2020 wrote...
You keep telling yourself that, mass effect is more space opera than sci fi an sci fi is suposed to be more or less plausible. The hair just dosent go with the character.

Okay, well if it's a Space Opera, then it most Certrainly doesn't need to be accurate ... so you made my point for me.

[Homebound]

plainjane shouldve been an option..oh well, the votes r in. I think Hale, femshep's va wanted the red-head shepard. so ya. plainjane.

[Nashiktal]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

ME1 was sci-fi. That's why there are no long hair options at all (there was a large debate on BSN about this before ME1 came out) - ME2 was much more space opera. ME3 is looking to be more space opera than ever before.

ME1 was more space opera, ME2 was more blade runner. ME3 isn't looking space opera yet, doesn't have many of the signs to be one yet.


They are all sci-fi.

[didymos1120]

laudable11 wrote...

Is she a natural blond?

I thought I read in one of the Mass Effect books that natural blonds did not exist anymore.

Close...that they almost didn't exist anymore. And it should be ignored on that point, because it was just repeating a pseudoscientific myth.

Modifié par didymos1120, 03 août 2011 - 06:49 .

[DarthSliver]

I think the fact that Bioware allowed us to make such a decision for their product is outstanding. I mean we the fans choose the Femshep we wanted to see in the femshep trailer and the one that is on the N7 Edition of ME3. Bioware let us choose and we have people damning them because their pick didnt win, with that i wish Bioware just used default female Shepard from ME1 and ME2. They couldve just edited her looks a bit and changed very little, but you know I am sure people wouldve complained there too.
I wish i got a dollar every time someone complained about Blonde shep being the winner, i think id be rich by now lol.

[Vanaer]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

How many blondes actually have blonde eyebrows though? ._.

Also, by the sound of it, Bioware just wanted our input for a BASIC design of how she should look. They still get the final say.

...And if we have it my way, she'll be a redhead. @_@

I'm dirty blonde, but I've got dark blond eyebrows. Actually everyone in my family who's blonde has blonde eyebrows. 

[Dragoncloud]

They should have done a seperate poll for haircolor and for hairstyle, not an already set haircolor and hairstyle combination <<..

Modifié par Dragoncloud, 03 août 2011 - 06:59 .

[Errol Dnamyx]

Yes. And a poll for the shape of her ears, the nose, her eyebrows, lips, toes and underwear.

And people would still complain about everything.

[didymos1120]

Nashiktal wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

ME1 was sci-fi. That's why there are no long hair options at all (there was a large debate on BSN about this before ME1 came out) - ME2 was much more space opera. ME3 is looking to be more space opera than ever before.

ME1 was more space opera, ME2 was more blade runner. ME3 isn't looking space opera yet, doesn't have many of the signs to be one yet.

Dude, galaxy wide war is one of the staples of Space Opera, one good definition of which is:

[C]olorful, dramatic, large-scale science fiction adventure, competently and sometimes beautifully written, usually focused on a sympathetic, heroic central character and plot action, and usually set in the relatively distant future, and in space or on other worlds, characteristically optimistic in tone. It often deals with war, piracy, military virtues, and very large-scale action, large stakes.

[DarthSliver]

Dragoncloud wrote...

They should have done a seperate poll for haircolor and for hairstyle, not an already set haircolor and hairstyle combination <<..

The OP seems to be complaining that her choice didnt win from what i see. So it wouldnt have succeed in the fashion you think it wouldve. 

Bioware let us choose and despite this fact slaps Bioware in the face for it because OPs choice didnt get majority.

[Xeranx]

elearon1 wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

That includes me who would have liked to have finally seen a positive portrayal of a person of color in that role.  That they gave the choice for it and all accounts seem to be that the decision was based on hair style.  If find that to be a problem in itself.  What bothers me, specifically, is the fact that two of the depicitions each had a one in five chance of making it if you don't put them in the running against each other.  It's heavily skewed and entirely unfair in that regard.  If you want to say otherwise I'd like to see you or anyone else clearly illustrate how it isn't.

So, you're saying there should have only been ONE person of color in that list?  Then what?  You'd be complaining that they only got one spot on the list and were being underrepresented.  There is no way to win with an argument like that.  

I thought #5 came together better, in my image of the tough marine chick turned cerberus operative, than any of the others.  I *have* played dark skinned women in DA:O and DA2, so it is hardly an issue of me being biased ... I simply thought #5 worked better for the image I wanted - in *Shepard*.  I'd have no problems with a female Hawke being black. (well, aside form issues with setting continuety ... have we seen any black skinned humans in Thedas? )  

Nonetheless, you can still make a personalized Shep with black skin ... my Shep looks nothing like the blond chick. (though I wouldn't mind playing with her as an alt)

It amazes me how people don't see what's actually being stated.  Village Idiot more than likely did a better job than I ever will, but I'll still respond to this.

No, I never insinuated that there should only be one person of color in that list.  How you took that from what I said I will never know.  Everything I've said indicates that the vote was skewed in favor of a caucasian depiction of Shepard.  I even made mention that I would have been fine if they just redid the default and not given us the vote as that would do away with the negativity that would be gained from a vote like this because of the choices we were given... especially (to spell it out further) since default is caucasian anyway.  Right there I illustrated that there was virtually no chance for a depiction of Shepard being a person of color, but that was ignored.  I then mention how skewed the vote is and made it especially clear that if on their own 4 and 6 each would have a 1 in 5 chance of being picked.  But that too gave you the impression that I wanted one choice for a person of color being cast as Shepard?  You can't be serious and I refuse to believe that you are being serious since you, at least, got the impression that I would voice my concern at a person of color being under-represented on that list.  

Clearly I was stating that a depiction of Shepard as a person of color is under-represented in that list.  1 in 5 chance (if done seperately) or 2 in 6 (as they are) is less than half (50%).  Neither is preferable position.

I have no interest in discussing DA:O or DA2 and their depiction (or more accurately lack) of anyone of color because of the flawed reasoning behind not having blacks featured in the game.

As to the character creator for ME, I know it's there.  I utilize it a great deal, but utilizing that as a point to shut someone down is a smokescreen tactic.  I can easily say that female Shepard is there in the creator and can be made to look however is desired all so that I can shut someone up about her not being featured in marketing.  Actually it's been done on these boards before as I've come across it many times and it never went over well.  So don't try and tell me because the character creator is there that I should keep my opinions or displeasure to myself as whatever I create (paraphrasing Village Idiot) primarily serves me and me alone.

[Arppis]

Vanaer wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

How many blondes actually have blonde eyebrows though? ._.

Also, by the sound of it, Bioware just wanted our input for a BASIC design of how she should look. They still get the final say.

...And if we have it my way, she'll be a redhead. @_@

I'm dirty blonde, but I've got dark blond eyebrows. Actually everyone in my family who's blonde has blonde eyebrows. 

Plus makeup.

Dragoncloud wrote...

They should have done a seperate poll
for haircolor and for hairstyle, not an already set
haircolor and hairstyle combination <<..

You people wouldn't still be happy...

Plus, think if there was black Shepard who won and people were complaining that shes too black. Just because it's blonde, doesn't mean you should go and be racist about it either.

People should just drop this and move on.

Modifié par Arppis, 03 août 2011 - 07:22 .

[Zulmoka531]

"Sigh" Everything just has to come down to some sort of PC battle everywhere now-a-days doesn't it?
Would it have been nice for her to have red hair? Yeah, personally the hair style itself is what drew me to #5, but had Poster girl Shepard (this is in reality what she is) been any of the other options I wouldn't have cared. I have my custom Shepards.

Bioware put up a vote, people voted. The sun will rise tomorrow, people will blog and **** about the choice, but I'm willing to guarantee that only the extreme of the extremists will cancel their pre-orders over this.

[LPPrince]

Penny Arcade Blonde FemShep comic-

[Boiny Bunny]

Xeranx wrote...


Clearly I was stating that a depiction of Shepard as a person of color is under-represented in that list.  1 in 5 chance (if done seperately) or 2 in 6 (as they are) is less than half (50%).  Neither is preferable position.

Were you honestly expecting 3 darker skinned and 3 pale skinned Shepards?

What about asian Shepard?  Zero choices.

Overweight Shepard?  Zero choices.
 
Shepard that looks older than 25?  Zero choices.

Shepard with very dark skin?  Zero choices.

etc.

Bioware could have given us 300 choices, and there still would have been a good deal of groups under-represented or not at all (physically speaking).

It would be absolutely and utterly impossible to represent all possible groups equally.  At least darker skinned Shep got 2 options - much better than asian Shepard fared.

What they did present us with, is the 6 choices they thought would appeal above others, based on market research.  The fact that 4 of those were pale skinned would probably indicate that Bioware believes that the majority of their audience is pale skinned.  That's all there is to it.

Modifié par Boiny Bunny, 03 août 2011 - 07:37 .