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[lumen11]

You know, the funny thing is that after all of this is said and done, it looks like it's going to be a victory for male-female equality after all.

Modifié par lumen11, 03 août 2011 - 08:29 .

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

She was the only unique looking one, thats why she won.

[LPPrince]

lumen11 wrote...

You know, the funny thing is that after all of this is said and done, it looks like it's going to be a victory for male-female equality after all.

I wouldn't say that to some of the people commenting on facebook. Jeez.

Got some real nonsensical comments in there.

A few are trying to twist the Penny Arcade Article to sound like they hate Blondie.

Some are saying the comic is admitting that Penny Arcade thinks Blondie is a barbie.

A few people even said that hardcore ME players chose the other choices but the ones who don't care about the game chose Blondie.

Its times like this I wish I could go through my computer screen and theirs, slap the hell out of them, and come right back with a huge grin on my face.

[Yezdigerd]

lumen11 wrote...

You know, the funny thing is that after all of this is said and done, it looks like it's going to be a victory for male-female equality after all.

Really? If anything, this shows that maleshep is about substance, while femshep is about apperarance, hardly a triumph for gender equality.

[Savber100]

LPPrince wrote...

lumen11 wrote...

You know, the funny thing is that after all of this is said and done, it looks like it's going to be a victory for male-female equality after all.

I wouldn't say that to some of the people commenting on facebook. Jeez.

Got some real nonsensical comments in there.

A few are trying to twist the Penny Arcade Article to sound like they hate Blondie.

Some are saying the comic is admitting that Penny Arcade thinks Blondie is a barbie.

A few people even said that hardcore ME players chose the other choices but the ones who don't care about the game chose Blondie.

Its times like this I wish I could go through my computer screen and theirs, slap the hell out of them, and come right back with a huge grin on my face.

Why torture yourself by reading the words of fools, LPPrince?

It's not like you can talk some sense into them.

Modifié par Savber100, 03 août 2011 - 08:54 .

[LPPrince]

Savber100 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

lumen11 wrote...

You know, the funny thing is that after all of this is said and done, it looks like it's going to be a victory for male-female equality after all.

I wouldn't say that to some of the people commenting on facebook. Jeez.

Got some real nonsensical comments in there.

A few are trying to twist the Penny Arcade Article to sound like they hate Blondie.

Some are saying the comic is admitting that Penny Arcade thinks Blondie is a barbie.

A few people even said that hardcore ME players chose the other choices but the ones who don't care about the game chose Blondie.

Its times like this I wish I could go through my computer screen and theirs, slap the hell out of them, and come right back with a huge grin on my face.

Why torture yourself by reading the words of fools, LPPrince?

It's not like you can talk some sense into them.

Pain makes you stronger.

[DJRackham]

Pulletlamer wrote...

DJRackham wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

To sum it up...

People voted for a blonde over all the non-blondes by a very large margin for no other reason than that the blonde is blonde. Therefore, those people are all racist. So we must hate blonde femshep, the poster girl for the neo-**** movement. The end.

A large percentage of the people voting for the blonde femshep stated that they were voting more for the hair style and less for the actual color.

Link / source or that didn't happen.

I like your percentages taken out from nowhere. Oh you asked every person and did the percentage? Doubt it.

Also:
http://social.biowar...9/polls/22889/`

I actually read through a number of the responses left by people who voted for femshep 5.

http://www.facebook....11091644&type=1

Fairly Somewhat typical answer:

Garret McGraw-Hanson:
I voted for this one because I liked her hair style, not the color.
I'll keep playing with redhead shep.
To be honest I didn't like any of them, something about the face..

Did I read through them all? No. Did I actually give percentages? No. Did I say the MAJORITY? No. Did everyone who chose femshep 5 do so for the hair style? Unanswerable. I do not pretend to know what evil lurks in the hearts of men  poll takers. Most likely not. Does any of this really matter in the scheme of things? No.

Edit: Please note that I have rephrased my original post.

Modifié par DJRackham, 03 août 2011 - 09:17 .

[LPPrince]

Yezdigerd wrote...

lumen11 wrote...

You know, the funny thing is that after all of this is said and done, it looks like it's going to be a victory for male-female equality after all.

Really? If anything, this shows that maleshep is about substance, while femshep is about apperarance, hardly a triumph for gender equality.

Correction- If anything, this shows that maleshep is about substance and appearance(since he's modeled after a MODEL), while femshep is about substance and appearance(since people can just as easily vote for who looks the most like the FemShep in their mind as well as who's hotter).

On top of that, she's in marketing, on the tin case for the Collector's Edition, and is a high res model in the final game.

Definitely a triumph for gender equality.

[Ghost Lightning]

I think it's a good offset for Sheploo.

[Vanaer]

Yezdigerd wrote...

lumen11 wrote...

You know, the funny thing is that after all of this is said and done, it looks like it's going to be a victory for male-female equality after all.

Really? If anything, this shows that maleshep is about substance, while femshep is about apperarance, hardly a triumph for gender equality.

Wait what? Maleshep is modeled after a... model. Even Femshep didn't get that honour. Or are  you implying that substance and appearance are mutually exclusive?

[Savber100]

LPPrince wrote...

Pain makes you stronger.

Until it kills you. 

[LPPrince]

Savber100 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Pain makes you stronger.

Until it kills you. 

Trim the weak so the strong survive?

Nah. You've got to be smart to deal with pain.

You don't have to be the strongest, you don't have to be the fastest-

You just have to be the smartest.

And the smart decision is to read into these people's opinions and see just how shortsighted and hateful they are, leaving a comment they cannot refute, and simply backing away while hordes of people laud you for your actions.

[lady_v23]

Wynne wrote...

Number 5 had the best hairstyle by far. Give all the posters that hairstyle, give only ONE FemShep dark hair, and then we have a fair competition. As it is, it seems pretty obvious which was slated to win, even if that wasn't the case.

Lady Catastrophe wrote...

I just find this hatred for blonde Shep so childish.
If
Barbie was in fact an iconic ginger and all of these valley girl
stereotypes and 'dumb blonde' jokes were instead directed at people with
ginger hair,then it wouldn't make a difference in that case--people
would still be complaining about #5 if she just so happened to be a
redhead as she would look 'barbie-ish'.

It's just a colour,guys.

It's a color that a lot of people seem to take as an inherent indicator of superiority. I think that's the reason for the prejudice--the fact that actual prejudice tends to be leveled against the rest of the world, not blondes, who are "more fun" and "preferred by gentlemen" and all of that good stuff. 

Redheads, on the other hand, do get teased a lot for the color of their hair as children, as opposed to blondes. Jews and people of African descent have been oppressed and killed. I don't think the world has completely recovered from that, and in that vein a bit of resentment is inevitable.

I don't mind that she's blonde so much as it's obvious she dyes her hair regularly, yet didn't even bother to fix her eyebrows. 

i dont think she dyed her hair. alot of people has eyebrows that dosent match the hair color. my sister is one of those people:mellow:

[lumen11]

^Just to be clear
I meant that even if you have issues with the blonde preference in the poll, responses like the Penny Arcade comic or a good thing, championing a smart blonde Sheperd and all.

[Weiser_Cain]

Why wasn't this poll on the forums? At least then I'd know who to hate.

[jimmyjr88]

At first I didn't like it but it's starting to grow on me. I think I didn't really like it at first because it was red and when I think default FemShep thats the color I have her hair. Now that I've had some time this Shep does work.

[Darth Death]

MacCready wrote...

My biggest beef with the competition wasn't the blonde Shep, it was the competition itself. Never ask fans what they want because the average fans opinion is usually completely arbitrary and generic! Bioware, you're the professional game designers and concept artists, you decide what's best. If you ask the fan what they want then every game would have 4 player co-op and horde mode regardless of whether it fit or not. 

Ben Croshaw couldn't have put this point more perfectly, 

"Fans are clingy complaining dip****s who will never ever be grateful for any concession you make. The moment you cut out their shrill tremulous voices the happier you'll be for it".

That seems about right... But things aren't that simple is it? It's a good thing BioWare is open to suggestions, but only if it's appropriate. Fans definitely have the potential of ruining a franchise if devs listen to horrible ideas. I having nothing against blondes, but the concept feels too common. I wanted something a little more unique or at least different from what everyone is used to... Oh well.  

[Gilsa]

Voted for the style, not the color. (My custom Shepard is blonde as a homage to Duke Nukem. Color is irrelevant.) I'm just thrilled Jane is sharing the spotlight with John now. They were all good choices regardless of which won.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Arijharn wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Dj_atomica wrote...
I'm only annoyed because blonde hair should by all rights be extremely rare 200 years into the future.

That's a myth. Alleles for recessive traits will not become less prevalent because of outbreeding, not unless there is selection pressure against that trait. 

Suppose you have starting conditions with 100 million blondes in a population of 10 billion humans. If you match them randomly for a number of generations, you'll end up with 1 million blondes in 10 billion. That is comparatively rare, but
(a) it's not so ultra-rare that the appearance of a single blonde deserves special mention.
( It won't happen in 200 years. 2000 would be more like it.
© This presupposes that people won't engineer their children to have blond hair, which I find very likely.

Apart from that, I'm OK with blonde Shepard, though I'm still hoping that they take the haircut but recolor it red.

I have a low tech word for you: peroxide. There are no alleles for blue hair in the human genome currently, but I see someone with it almost every day.

*SHOOOOM* Look at that, the point completely rocketted past you at Mach 8!

Seriously though... wtf has that got to do with anything Ieldra just said?

Well, I'll preface this with 'I could be wrong' since that seems to carry the penalty of being loudly mocked, but I think mouse's point is this: Why in all the world do people arguing about blonde hair being a rare/non-existent trait in the ME future assume that blonde!Shep here is a natural blonde?

It's the bloody future. You think women suddenly stopped colouring their hair? You think contacts, or some ME equivalent, will stop being available for eyes?

[Hassu]

 I find it amazing how much hate there is about the concept of a blonde Shepard.

It's also quite infuriating to be labeled 'an idiot' for voting for #5 when it's a personal preference thing, especially for a guy who usually likes brunettes.

And it's even more infuriating to see how the hair colour alone makes her a 'bland barbie', even more so when people mix in crap like 'the master race' thing. I'm blond, and I don't see myself superior to anyone, nor do any other blond people out there, unless you adhere to that special minority group.

So cut the slack people. Just because your favourite didn't get voted for doesn't make the rest of us 'stupid'. 

Modifié par Hassu, 03 août 2011 - 09:33 .

[frostajulie]

100k wrote...

:alien:

I've already voiced my opinions on why I'm fine with whatever femShep looks like, but I'll say it again: in the end, it doesn't really solve BW's problem of attracting a new audience.

What Bioware needs to do to really attract female gamers is release a trailer like this. More women will buy a game that displays a level of customization and micromanagement. Unlike men (generally speaking) the ability to make a character that is unique to the woman it corresponds with will be very attractive to most *casual* females.

So why (in my opinion) won't the new femShep attract as many new female players as BW thinks it will? Because there is a distinct difference in a game with a female protagonist, and a game that appeals to women in general.

Heavenly Sword, Metroid, Lara Croft, Beyond Good and Evil, WET, FF X2, etc etc all have female leads. But that doesn't make them as attractive to women as men. They all deliver visual standards of how women should look, dress, and act (sometimes with unforgiving camera angles). And for all of these games (except Beyond Good and Evil), they still romanticize masculinity -- simply by dressing it up in female form. We don't consciously think about these things, but we do accept them.

Women like choices. Games like Sims, Farmville, and Cityville are very popular with the ladies. They offer a level of personalization that men (typically) don't demand in their games.

If Bioware showed a trailer like The Many Faces of Femshep -- leading into the new standard femShep model, that would attract a lot of new women to the franchise. Women would see that Mass Effect has more to offer than simply blow-sh!t-up-and-look-cool. It offers women choice. Choices in clothing. Choices in weapons. Choices in romances. Choices in dialogue.

You can dress Samus Aran in 50 lbs of armor and have her shoot aliens. But at the end of the day, she's just a merc killing stuff to your average casual gamer (who doesn't go onto gaming forums, look at reviews, and makes purchases on cover value).

You can make Lara Croft more vulnerable and less blatantly sexual by covering up her legs, giving her a pick axe, and smothering her face with dirt. But at the end of the day, the title "Tomb Raider" still brings to mind the busty sexy cave explorer from the 90s.

But think about what could be accomplished with femShepard, a character that a woman could tailor to her own preference.

:)

Quoted for truth

Its like you read my mind this is a huge allure for me.  Get out of my head!

[KassadI]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Why wasn't this poll on the forums? At least then I'd know who to hate.

It was/is a user created poll - the voting percentage results for each version are nearly the same.

[Thalador]

LPPrince wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Pain makes you stronger.

Until it kills you. 

Trim the weak so the strong survive?

Nah. You've got to be smart to deal with pain.

You don't have to be the strongest, you don't have to be the fastest-

You just have to be the smartest.

And the smart decision is to read into these people's opinions and see just how shortsighted and hateful they are, leaving a comment they cannot refute, and simply backing away while hordes of people laud you for your actions.

And thus you know who isn't smart enough to deal with the pain, and who needs to be trimmed. Fair idea...

[Zubie]

I don't care that she's blonde. She just looks too young. They all do. Science or not.

[LPPrince]

Thalador wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Pain makes you stronger.

Until it kills you. 

Trim the weak so the strong survive?

Nah. You've got to be smart to deal with pain.

You don't have to be the strongest, you don't have to be the fastest-

You just have to be the smartest.

And the smart decision is to read into these people's opinions and see just how shortsighted and hateful they are, leaving a comment they cannot refute, and simply backing away while hordes of people laud you for your actions.

And thus you know who isn't smart enough to deal with the pain, and who needs to be trimmed. Fair idea...

*tip of the hat*