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[Bobad]

I'm quite happy with the blonde femshep as my two existing femsheps are black and red haired, so it saves me creating another that looks similar to them but with blonde hair, as I usually end up with clones using the character creator.

[Siansonea]

Nice to see Barbie Shepard is still wreaking havoc wherever she goes. Suck it up, haters, femininity is here to stay. Thank you Barbie Shepard for showing the world that women don't have to become men to be badasses. And all you self-styled feminists out there who think that a woman has to subdue her femininity to be "taken seriously"—you might want to think about what that says about your own attitudes about women.

[slimgrin]

Siansonea II wrote...

Nice to see Barbie Shepard is still wreaking havoc wherever she goes. Suck it up, haters, femininity is here to stay. Thank you Barbie Shepard for showing the world that women don't have to become men to be badasses. And all you self-styled feminists out there who think that a woman has to subdue her femininity to be "taken seriously"—you might want to think about what that says about your own attitudes about women.

Hmm...not sure if serious..

[Siansonea]

slimgrin wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Nice to see Barbie Shepard is still wreaking havoc wherever she goes. Suck it up, haters, femininity is here to stay. Thank you Barbie Shepard for showing the world that women don't have to become men to be badasses. And all you self-styled feminists out there who think that a woman has to subdue her femininity to be "taken seriously"—you might want to think about what that says about your own attitudes about women.

Hmm...not sure if serious..

Darling, if I'm being sarcastic, it's generally obvious. 

For what it's worth, I am serious. I don't think women have to become men to be powerful. In fact, I think that's a pretty poor way to achieve that aim. All that does is buy into the long-held and seldom questioned societal paradigm that male energy is "better". Women aren't men, and the more we try to be like men, the more we reinforce the idea that we are somehow inferior. I reject that idea. The "equality" issue isn't about the two sexes being the exact same in every way. 

Granted, I'm not saying that "prettiness" is an example of female power, but it's not an indicator of it's absence either. And that's the aspect of this premise that I'm challenging: this idea that somehow Barbie Shepard's pretty face and blonde hair in some way robs her of "credibility" as a badass soldier. A pretty face and blonde hair is an indicator of two things: prettiness and blonde hair. It's not a symbol of acquiescence to centuries of male-dominated societal norms. Seriously, bra-burning is so 20th Century. 

[Luigitornado]

Siansonea II wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Nice to see Barbie Shepard is still wreaking havoc wherever she goes. Suck it up, haters, femininity is here to stay. Thank you Barbie Shepard for showing the world that women don't have to become men to be badasses. And all you self-styled feminists out there who think that a woman has to subdue her femininity to be "taken seriously"—you might want to think about what that says about your own attitudes about women.

Hmm...not sure if serious..

Darling, if I'm being sarcastic, it's generally obvious. 

For what it's worth, I am serious. I don't think women have to become men to be powerful. In fact, I think that's a pretty poor way to achieve that aim. All that does is buy into the long-held and seldom questioned societal paradigm that male energy is "better". Women aren't men, and the more we try to be like men, the more we reinforce the idea that we are somehow inferior. I reject that idea. The "equality" issue isn't about the two sexes being the exact same in every way. 

Granted, I'm not saying that "prettiness" is an example of female power, but it's not an indicator of it's absence either. And that's the aspect of this premise that I'm challenging: this idea that somehow Barbie Shepard's pretty face and blonde hair in some way robs her of "credibility" as a badass soldier. A pretty face and blonde hair is an indicator of two things: prettiness and blonde hair. It's not a symbol of acquiescence to centuries of male-dominated societal norms. Seriously, bra-burning is so 20th Century. 

You deserve a cookie.

[Rogue Unit]

Siansonea II wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Nice to see Barbie Shepard is still wreaking havoc wherever she goes. Suck it up, haters, femininity is here to stay. Thank you Barbie Shepard for showing the world that women don't have to become men to be badasses. And all you self-styled feminists out there who think that a woman has to subdue her femininity to be "taken seriously"—you might want to think about what that says about your own attitudes about women.

Hmm...not sure if serious..

Darling, if I'm being sarcastic, it's generally obvious. 

For what it's worth, I am serious. I don't think women have to become men to be powerful. In fact, I think that's a pretty poor way to achieve that aim. All that does is buy into the long-held and seldom questioned societal paradigm that male energy is "better". Women aren't men, and the more we try to be like men, the more we reinforce the idea that we are somehow inferior. I reject that idea. The "equality" issue isn't about the two sexes being the exact same in every way. 

Granted, I'm not saying that "prettiness" is an example of female power, but it's not an indicator of it's absence either. And that's the aspect of this premise that I'm challenging: this idea that somehow Barbie Shepard's pretty face and blonde hair in some way robs her of "credibility" as a badass soldier. A pretty face and blonde hair is an indicator of two things: prettiness and blonde hair. It's not a symbol of acquiescence to centuries of male-dominated societal norms. Seriously, bra-burning is so 20th Century. 

QFT

I ****ing love you right now.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 08 août 2011 - 03:32 .

[syllogi]

Siansonea II wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Nice to see Barbie Shepard is still wreaking havoc wherever she goes. Suck it up, haters, femininity is here to stay. Thank you Barbie Shepard for showing the world that women don't have to become men to be badasses. And all you self-styled feminists out there who think that a woman has to subdue her femininity to be "taken seriously"—you might want to think about what that says about your own attitudes about women.

Hmm...not sure if serious..

Darling, if I'm being sarcastic, it's generally obvious. 

For what it's worth, I am serious. I don't think women have to become men to be powerful. In fact, I think that's a pretty poor way to achieve that aim. All that does is buy into the long-held and seldom questioned societal paradigm that male energy is "better". Women aren't men, and the more we try to be like men, the more we reinforce the idea that we are somehow inferior. I reject that idea. The "equality" issue isn't about the two sexes being the exact same in every way. 

Granted, I'm not saying that "prettiness" is an example of female power, but it's not an indicator of it's absence either. And that's the aspect of this premise that I'm challenging: this idea that somehow Barbie Shepard's pretty face and blonde hair in some way robs her of "credibility" as a badass soldier. A pretty face and blonde hair is an indicator of two things: prettiness and blonde hair. It's not a symbol of acquiescence to centuries of male-dominated societal norms. Seriously, bra-burning is so 20th Century. 

This is true, but the question I would ask is what actually constitutes "femininity" or "masculinity", and who gets to decide how gender roles are drawn.  

I am extremely fond of my girly bits, but I also love video games, comic books, fantasy, sci-fi, and horror, hobbies that traditionally are considered "boy" territory.  I also LOVE makeup and purses and shoes, and I resent the implication that I see sometimes that indulging in these interests somehow makes me "lesser" than a woman who does not care at all for such frippery.

And while I love me some lipstick, I would never assume that a hard butch lesbian is self-hating or wants to be a man.  Sometimes, style is just style, and the only deeper meaning might be that the wearer thinks the look is cool, or wants to attract a certain type.

[RGFrog]

Lol, don't care if she's blonde, beautiful, ugly, or any of that. Just want Hale's voice over and the character to look like she has some experience.

Sadly, only one requirement is filled by Barbie Shep

[Siansonea]

TeenZombie wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Nice to see Barbie Shepard is still wreaking havoc wherever she goes. Suck it up, haters, femininity is here to stay. Thank you Barbie Shepard for showing the world that women don't have to become men to be badasses. And all you self-styled feminists out there who think that a woman has to subdue her femininity to be "taken seriously"—you might want to think about what that says about your own attitudes about women.

Hmm...not sure if serious..

Darling, if I'm being sarcastic, it's generally obvious. 

For what it's worth, I am serious. I don't think women have to become men to be powerful. In fact, I think that's a pretty poor way to achieve that aim. All that does is buy into the long-held and seldom questioned societal paradigm that male energy is "better". Women aren't men, and the more we try to be like men, the more we reinforce the idea that we are somehow inferior. I reject that idea. The "equality" issue isn't about the two sexes being the exact same in every way. 

Granted, I'm not saying that "prettiness" is an example of female power, but it's not an indicator of it's absence either. And that's the aspect of this premise that I'm challenging: this idea that somehow Barbie Shepard's pretty face and blonde hair in some way robs her of "credibility" as a badass soldier. A pretty face and blonde hair is an indicator of two things: prettiness and blonde hair. It's not a symbol of acquiescence to centuries of male-dominated societal norms. Seriously, bra-burning is so 20th Century. 

This is true, but the question I would ask is what actually constitutes "femininity" or "masculinity", and who gets to decide how gender roles are drawn.  

I am extremely fond of my girly bits, but I also love video games, comic books, fantasy, sci-fi, and horror, hobbies that traditionally are considered "boy" territory.  I also LOVE makeup and purses and shoes, and I resent the implication that I see sometimes that indulging in these interests somehow makes me "lesser" than a woman who does not care at all for such frippery.

And while I love me some lipstick, I would never assume that a hard butch lesbian is self-hating or wants to be a man.  Sometimes, style is just style, and the only deeper meaning might be that the wearer thinks the look is cool, or wants to attract a certain type.

I agree, people's expression of gender should be tailored to fit their own personality, and there is no right or wrong way to express gender. It's only when people start trying to police the gender expression of others that it becomes an issue. The "hard butch lesbian" is a perfectly acceptable gender expression as far as I'm concerned, that works for that woman. It's only if she tells me that I'm a "sellout" for wearing a push-up bra that we have a problem. 

[Siansonea]

Arcian wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Nice to see Barbie Shepard is still wreaking havoc wherever she goes. Suck it up, haters, femininity is here to stay. Thank you Barbie Shepard for showing the world that women don't have to become men to be badasses. And all you self-styled feminists out there who think that a woman has to subdue her femininity to be "taken seriously"—you might want to think about what that says about your own attitudes about women.

Hmm...not sure if serious..

Darling, if I'm being sarcastic, it's generally obvious. 

For what it's worth, I am serious. I don't think women have to become men to be powerful. In fact, I think that's a pretty poor way to achieve that aim. All that does is buy into the long-held and seldom questioned societal paradigm that male energy is "better". Women aren't men, and the more we try to be like men, the more we reinforce the idea that we are somehow inferior. I reject that idea. The "equality" issue isn't about the two sexes being the exact same in every way. 

Granted, I'm not saying that "prettiness" is an example of female power, but it's not an indicator of it's absence either. And that's the aspect of this premise that I'm challenging: this idea that somehow Barbie Shepard's pretty face and blonde hair in some way robs her of "credibility" as a badass soldier. A pretty face and blonde hair is an indicator of two things: prettiness and blonde hair. It's not a symbol of acquiescence to centuries of male-dominated societal norms. Seriously, bra-burning is so 20th Century. 

Where do you want your statue of solid gold?

Eh, just put it with the others. 

[Yemmahogany]

If you read all those Facebook posts, though, you'll see that most people voted for the hairstyle, asking that the actual color be changed to red.

I wonder if the Bioware people read any of those posts.

[slimgrin]

I see I have inspired Sian to greatness once again.

[SalsaDMA]

Siansonea II wrote...

Granted, I'm not saying that "prettiness" is an example of female power, but it's not an indicator of it's absence either.

Hey, power comes in many forms. Prettines is certainly a female power that works its influence on me whenever I become a bumbling moron in the presence of a girl if she is pretty enough

[Patrucio]

I am one who voted for the blond Sheppard, but I'm of blond-haired, blue-eyed persuasion so it shouldn't be that surprising that I'd vote for the one that most looks like me.

[SalsaDMA]

Dragon XIX wrote...

But I like pretty boxes, that's why I'm complaining.

And now there will be a pretty girl on it making the box even more pretty .

[strangedane]

(After reading Siansonea II's post I felt the need to agree)
Now we are in that arena of women rolemodels etc, I had a conversation about it with my fellow gamer friend (woman) and we conclude that rolemodels today suck. Specifically those in movies, since the 80's it's gone one way - down.
Back in the day you had actresses like Sigourney Weaver who kicked major ass and it was THAT that made her hot like ....! Today you girls have persons like Paris Hilton and Jessica Simpson, see the difference?

DISCLAIMER: I know this might spark a lot comments etc, but hey I stand by my opinion;)
(and yes I'm sure that Paris and friends have bright sides too, they are not rolemodels per se)
Please read this in the way it's meant; funny but still something to consider.

EDIT: Tried to make it more clear

Modifié par strangedane, 08 août 2011 - 04:14 .

[syllogi]

strangedane wrote...

Now we are in that arena of women rolemodels etc, I had a conversation about it with my fellow gamer friend (woman) and we conclude that rolemodels today suck. Specifically those in movies, since the 80's it's gone one way - down.
Back in the day you had actresses like Sigourney Weaver who kicked major ass and it was THAT that made her hot like ....! Today you girls have persons like Paris Hilton and Jessica Simpson, see the difference?

I know this might spark a lot comments etc, but hey I stand by my opinion;)
(and yes I'm sure that Paris and friends have bright sides too, they are not rolemodels per se)

Eh, I am excited about seeing Zoe Saldana in Colombiana, and whether you like her or not, Angelina Jolie has been starring in action movies for quite a while now.

One of my favorite shows on television right now is Nikita, starring Maggie Q.  Female heroes on screen are out there, you just have to look for them.

[slimgrin]

strangedane wrote...

Now we are in that arena of women rolemodels etc, I had a conversation about it with my fellow gamer friend (woman) and we conclude that rolemodels today suck. Specifically those in movies, since the 80's it's gone one way - down.
Back in the day you had actresses like Sigourney Weaver who kicked major ass and it was THAT that made her hot like ....! Today you girls have persons like Paris Hilton and Jessica Simpson, see the difference?

I know this might spark a lot comments etc, but hey I stand by my opinion;)
(and yes I'm sure that Paris and friends have bright sides too, they are not rolemodels per se)

Ok, the thread is suddenly relavent now that it's gone off topic, but there is some truth to this post. Weaver is no glamour girl, but she played one hell of a convincing and very strong woman in Alien. Same with Linda Hamilton in Terminator.

Today we get Sucker Punch by frat boy directors like Zack Snyder.

Modifié par slimgrin, 08 août 2011 - 04:17 .

[looloolooigotsomeapples]

Siansonea II wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Nice to see Barbie Shepard is still wreaking havoc wherever she goes. Suck it up, haters, femininity is here to stay. Thank you Barbie Shepard for showing the world that women don't have to become men to be badasses. And all you self-styled feminists out there who think that a woman has to subdue her femininity to be "taken seriously"—you might want to think about what that says about your own attitudes about women.

Hmm...not sure if serious..

Darling, if I'm being sarcastic, it's generally obvious. 

For what it's worth, I am serious. I don't think women have to become men to be powerful. In fact, I think that's a pretty poor way to achieve that aim. All that does is buy into the long-held and seldom questioned societal paradigm that male energy is "better". Women aren't men, and the more we try to be like men, the more we reinforce the idea that we are somehow inferior. I reject that idea. The "equality" issue isn't about the two sexes being the exact same in every way. 

Granted, I'm not saying that "prettiness" is an example of female power, but it's not an indicator of it's absence either. And that's the aspect of this premise that I'm challenging: this idea that somehow Barbie Shepard's pretty face and blonde hair in some way robs her of "credibility" as a badass soldier. A pretty face and blonde hair is an indicator of two things: prettiness and blonde hair. It's not a symbol of acquiescence to centuries of male-dominated societal norms. Seriously, bra-burning is so 20th Century. 

Agreed, however I can't tell whether you're saying the other Femsheps are manly in any way. Can you clarify? 

[strangedane]

Don't get me wrong I know they are there (and yes, Angelina Jolie is a GREAT example! Both on and off the screen).What I meant is, there's also a lot of those who give the impression that the only thing women have is beauty, no brain, and that's wrong.

I can use Sigourney as an example again, she may not look like one who would win a beauty contest judging from a photo, but when you see her on screen and see how she carries herself, she'll win anything:)

I apologize for any bad English, I fear I may not get my message out clearly enough;)

[Siansonea]

looloolooigotsomeapples wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Nice to see Barbie Shepard is still wreaking havoc wherever she goes. Suck it up, haters, femininity is here to stay. Thank you Barbie Shepard for showing the world that women don't have to become men to be badasses. And all you self-styled feminists out there who think that a woman has to subdue her femininity to be "taken seriously"—you might want to think about what that says about your own attitudes about women.

Hmm...not sure if serious..

Darling, if I'm being sarcastic, it's generally obvious. 

For what it's worth, I am serious. I don't think women have to become men to be powerful. In fact, I think that's a pretty poor way to achieve that aim. All that does is buy into the long-held and seldom questioned societal paradigm that male energy is "better". Women aren't men, and the more we try to be like men, the more we reinforce the idea that we are somehow inferior. I reject that idea. The "equality" issue isn't about the two sexes being the exact same in every way. 

Granted, I'm not saying that "prettiness" is an example of female power, but it's not an indicator of it's absence either. And that's the aspect of this premise that I'm challenging: this idea that somehow Barbie Shepard's pretty face and blonde hair in some way robs her of "credibility" as a badass soldier. A pretty face and blonde hair is an indicator of two things: prettiness and blonde hair. It's not a symbol of acquiescence to centuries of male-dominated societal norms. Seriously, bra-burning is so 20th Century. 

Agreed, however I can't tell whether you're saying the other Femsheps are manly in any way. Can you clarify? 

Oh gosh no, I think the other FemSheps looked fine too. Those are perfectly good FemShep designs. And a "harder" FemShep look is okay too. Lots of options is always a good thing. But one isn't better than another because it's more or less "feminine". They're all perfectly valid expressions of being a powerful woman. Sigourney Weaver can exist alongside Sarah Michelle Gellar.

Also, Sucker Punch was NOT what I am talking about at all when I talk about embracing a more feminine aesthetic. Every female character in that movie was a victim, a helpless damsel escaping from the clutches of an oppressive and exploitative man. That is not my idea of female empowerment AT ALL, and only an emotionally stunted dolt like Zack Snyder would ever think the movie was anything other than a thinly veiled rape fantasy. The message of that movie seems to be "you girls can kick ass—in your dreams and fantasies" and "the only real power you have is to dance suggestively for men and skulk and scurry around while we're distracted by said suggestive dance". That movie was AWFUL. But it wasn't bad because the girls were pretty. 

[Siansonea]

AwesomeName wrote...

I'm more than happy for femshep's face being "pretty" (I voted for blondie) and I completely agree that femshep shouldn't have to have a jaw more manly than Jimmy Hill's in order to be taken seriously.  The main thing is that she's mentally strong and intelligent and has a physique that's built up enough in terms of strength, muscular endurance and agility to meet or surpass N7 requirements (I think they nailed that with the armor physique but not necessarily with some of the out-of-armor models); but her face, hair, makeup and girliness outside of that is another thing.  Now I know some people might be against the implication that you need an impressive physique to be a hero, and that this may be seen as an example of masculanising a female hero to be taken seriously, but in the case of Shepard, she obviously has to meet whatever the requirements are for an N7 soldier (she has to lug around quite heavy equipment for extended periods of time, and potentially fight large aliens in hand-to-hand combat, etc.). 

Lots of very physically strong people, male and female, aren't particularly bulky though. Lean muscle works just fine in that regard. FemShep should not lose her muscle tone, and suddenly have a body like Witcher 2's Triss. I would balk at that myself. I'm just talking about her choice of hairstyle and facial appearance. FemShep can be "girly" without losing her edge, and in fact it can enhance her edge. And a strong, toned woman can be every bit as feminine as a soft curvy Playmate, if not more so. 

[Ohpus]

Will a blonde FemShep accidentally hit the Big Red Button and blow up the Collectors with 1 second left on the clock? Doomsday clocks always stop at 1, right? 

Modifié par Ohpus, 08 août 2011 - 05:03 .