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[Zkyire]

MajesticJazz wrote...

You can deny it all you want, but white women in the media whether it be film, fashion, or other media representation such as videogames have ALWAYS been favored more so than black, Asian, or Hispanic women. This recent FemShep poll which featured 4 (1,23, and 5) "white" options (White women represented 66% of the poll) while the other races such as black had only 1.

There should have been 2 distinct white femsheps, 2 distinct black femsheps, 2 distinct Asian femsheps, and 2 distinct hispanic femsheps. Obviously it wasn't like that....

Things are progressing for the better but it a very slow rate.

Mass Effect is a Western-made game.

The majority of the customers are also in western nations; thus white.

If you are even to go by western-nation demographics; the majority of the people are white. With a black minority. Not the same amount, nor anywhere near, but a minority.

Why should there be as many blacks as there are whites?

In asian movies, the characters are all asian.. should we protest the lack of "ethnic diversity" and force that on them too?

The character that was chosen was the blonde white woman, not the black woman. That is who the majority want as femshep in the poll. If you don't like that, tough.

Modifié par IEatWhatIPoo, 12 août 2011 - 05:31 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Enters thread > reads people moaning about how their choice wasn't as popular as others > people start playing the race card even though they fail to grasp replacing white is just as racist as excluding black or asian > realises that some people just have 'issues' with certain hair colours such as blonde and then make stupid comments about it > decides to leave.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 12 août 2011 - 05:31 .

[Cheesy Blue]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Enters thread > reads people moaning about how their choice wasn't as popular as others > people start playing the race card even though they fail to grasp replacing white is just as racist as excluding black or asian > realises that some people just have 'issues' with certain hair colours such as blonde and then make stupid comments about it > decides to leave.

And repeat.

[Nyjahl]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Mass Effect is a Western-made game.

The majority of the customers are also in western nations; thus white.

If you are even to go by western-nation demographics; the majority of the people are white. With a black minority. Not the same amount, nor anywhere near, but a minority.

Why should there be as many blacks as there are whites?

In asian movies, the characters are all asian.. should we protest the lack of "ethnic diversity" and force that on them too?

The character that was chosen was the blonde white woman, not the black woman. That is who the majority want as femshep in the poll. If you don't like that, tough.

This just seems wrong on so many levels...

[Zkyire]

Nyjahl wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Mass Effect is a Western-made game.

The majority of the customers are also in western nations; thus white.

If you are even to go by western-nation demographics; the majority of the people are white. With a black minority. Not the same amount, nor anywhere near, but a minority.

Why should there be as many blacks as there are whites?

In asian movies, the characters are all asian.. should we protest the lack of "ethnic diversity" and force that on them too?

The character that was chosen was the blonde white woman, not the black woman. That is who the majority want as femshep in the poll. If you don't like that, tough.

This just seems wrong on so many levels...

What's "wrong" about it?

Mass Effect is a Western-made game - Truth.

The majority of the population in western nations is white - Truth.

The majority of characters in asian movies are asians - Truth.

The people who voted for FemShep chose the blonde white shepard, not the black Shepard - Truth.

So, what is "wrong" with my post?

[Inspectre]

100k wrote...

Hate to say it again, but...

The concept art we voted on is still a fairly poor rendition of the in-game
model. As such, we won't know what her facial textures, skin shadows,
cheek gaunt, or even nose shape will look like

You speak truth, the ingame model could surprise us all. But we are discussing the artwork.

leggywillow wrote...
I [i]really don't see the age
thing, though.  Starbuck doesn't look any older than Blondie Shepard to
me, but I guess people will always see what they want to see.

I guess they will.  (Year old edit: God that was so 12yo.  Indeed would've been better, but still)

ubermensch007 wrote...
She does not have a tan out of a bottle looking skin either.

Pale is the new tan.

ubermensch007 wrote...
2. Her thick blonde hair is of the same variety as Brad Pitt.
...

NO... For me, in a real sense -- Voting for FemShep 5 was my way of giving the "Middle Finger" to that nonesense said about humans with blonde hair and blue eyes in the Mass Effect Novels. <_<

...

Seeing as how FemShep and ManShep are defying extinction in Mass Effect 3.It occured to me, that having an endangered species like a natural blonde in the Mass Effect Universe being on the forefront of the War against the Reapers.Doing all within their power to defeat the reapers.Could have a bit more signifigance.If it was a blonde.For she embodies a kind of irony and  "Poetic Justice" if you will...

She is likely a fake blonde, for reasons you noted.  Blonde hair is thin, and natural blonde hair would include the eyebrows.

Rogue Unit wrote...

Wasn't Shepard rebuilt less than what?
A year ago? I doubt Miranda would take the time to purposely throw in
wrinkles for the hell of it. Sheploo is had creases and lines in his
face because he had and established look before ME2, blondie
didn't.

There is more to age than wrinkles, kido.  (again, 12yo.  only 21 myself = no real right to say that, yet)

Wynne wrote...

I'd like to see a real person represent FemShep, as happened for ManShep as well.

Exactly.  Fair is only fair.

SalsaDMA wrote...


You hate on the blonde shepard for being blonde, yet she is looking just as badass as Starbuck is. Playing
her as a renegade shepard would make her attitude just as badass as starbuck too.

So your 'she's too pretty' seems pretty misplaced when you can be a fan of starbuck and hate on shepard.

Starbuck is more awesome by default, since she is original.  And I don't hate blonde shep for being blonde , you've got the wrong person.

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

So, what is "wrong" with my post?

It's not politically correct.

slimgrin wrote...

'Same old blonde with blues eyes'..yeah there are sooo many of those in video games. 

/sarcasm

Peach.
Zelda.
Samus Aran.
Elena Fisher.
The Boss.
Anya Stroud.
Sonya Blade.
Ayumi.
Tina.
Juno Eclipse.
Cammy.
Ashley Graham.
Sarah Bryant.
Nina.
Casey Lynch.
Sophitia.
Trish.

Off the top.

Modifié par Dragon XIX, 19 février 2013 - 08:06 .

[SalsaDMA]

Alot of the names you mentioned I never heard of, and alot are from bloody fighting games with over 2 dozen characters in them. Does it really surprise you that there are blondes as well as almost every other possible (and impossible) character traits in those?

Pulling characters from fighting games as if to proove about blondes really disproves your point as there are even more nonblondes in those games

[1136342t54_]

Dragon XIX wrote...

Peach.
Zelda.
Samus Aran.
Elena Fisher.
The Boss.
Anya Stroud.
Sonya Blade.
Ayumi.
Tina.
Juno Eclipse.
Cammy.
Ashley Graham.
Sarah Bryant.
Nina.
Casey Lynch.
Sophitia.
Trish.

Off the top.

You mean princess peach from Mario? A princess who is weak and is like the only blonde in the game?

Zelda is another princess character who isn't even the main character next.

Samus Aran is a main character and was badass but different company changed the character and made her annoying as hell. Will give you that.

Elena Fisher don't know her but I assume she isn't a main character.

The Boss is the most awesome blonde character in games but is one of the few blondes that is even in Metal Gear Solid series and isn't even a main character.

Sonya wow a fighting game character purposely made to be a sex object and is just used a few times by the player depending on which MK game.

Ayumi don't know her but is suspect she isn't a main character.

Tina don't know her but I suspect she isn't a main character.

Juno Eclipse is a love interest of Star killer not a main character.

Cammy don't know her but I suspect she isn't a main character.

Ashley Graham is like the second or third blonde in all of the resident evil games and just plays the damsel in distress.

Sarah Bryant don't know her but is likely not a main character.

Tina don't know her but is likely not a main character.

Casey Lynch don't know her but is probably not a main character.

Isn't Trish basically a NPC?

[Nyjahl]

1136342t54 wrote...
The Boss is the most awesome blonde character in games but is one of the few blondes that is even in Metal Gear Solid series and isn't even a main character.

The Boss from Metal Gear Solid is a great character to me as well. She is also what FemShep 2.0 should have been somewhat like; mature, powerful AND battle hardened.

Again, note the eyebrows...

Modifié par Nyjahl, 13 août 2011 - 12:17 .

[1136342t54_]

Nyjahl wrote...
The Boss from Metal Gear Solid is a great character to me as well. She is also what FemShep 2.0 should have been somewhat like; mature, powerful AND battle hardened.

Again, note the eyebrows...

 I like the boss to but her appearance wouldn't fit correctly. The boss (I think) is older than Fem shep, had a child, and doesn't have the benefit of being re made by the Lazarus project lol. Hell she doesn't even live in a time period where the Life expectantcy is 150 years old. 

The boss look like a 40 year old to be honest.

[slimgrin]

Can't believe people are raging over this when there are precious few blondes in the ME universe.

[100k]

1136342t54 wrote...

Nyjahl wrote...
The Boss from Metal Gear Solid is a great character to me as well. She is also what FemShep 2.0 should have been somewhat like; mature, powerful AND battle hardened.

Again, note the eyebrows...

 I like the boss to but her appearance wouldn't fit correctly. The boss (I think) is older than Fem shep, had a child, and doesn't have the benefit of being re made by the Lazarus project lol. Hell she doesn't even live in a time period where the Life expectantcy is 150 years old. 

The boss look like a 40 year old to be honest.

Yeah, The Boss is a straight up boss -- but she's more of a femShep in 20 years (accepting slower aging process in the future) than current femShep.

She's 39 in MGS3.

[1136342t54_]

slimgrin wrote...

Can't believe people are raging over this when there are precious few blondes in the ME universe.

I think its more that there are blondes in western media like movies and TV they shift their anger and bring it over to gaming and act like video games has perpetuated blondes being superior when in fact its not true. 

[1136342t54_]

100k wrote...
Yeah, The Boss is a straight up boss -- but she's more of a femShep in 20 years (accepting slower aging process in the future) than current femShep.

She's 39 in MGS3.

Well I was close when I guessed 40. I could see a blonde Fem shep looking like her in 20 years.

[lokiarchetype]

In Western Media, blondes are the associated with 'damsel in distress' and 'bimbo' more than any other type of woman.  The massive amount of stereotyping in regard to the outcome of this poll clearly evidences this. 

This isn't simply a matter of how many representations there are but what those representations are.  We've all seen black women, latinas, and brunettes portrayed as strong, independent, smart, and competent.  Those traits are rarely associated with blondes, though. 

The fact that so many of us are more comfortable with and see those choices as more fitting the role of Commander Shepard underscores the necessity of giving blondes a strong female role model.

I think the detractors of #5 have done nothing if not prove that we need more blonde women being portrayed in a positive light in order to counteract all these hateful and ignorant preconceptions. 

Modifié par lokiarchetype, 13 août 2011 - 12:58 .

[slimgrin]

Fun fact: ancient Romans trimmed the blonde tresses of their German slaves to use as wigs. Look at any Italian Renaissance painting, and tell me that many blonde people resided in Italy at the time. I don't think so...

It's always been a prized attribute of femininity. Suck it up folks.

[RynJ]

slimgrin wrote...

It's always been a prized attribute of femininity. Suck it up folks.

And therein lies the problem a lot of women have with blonde hair. Telling people to suck it up doesn't make things better either!

[The_Other_M]

Wow the vocal minority are still ****ing about this?
It would be different if the poll results were close, BUT it wasn't, not by a long shot. The vast majority voted for femShep #5.

And guess what? The majority won, get over it. That's how democracy works.

To qoute Spock- Logic purely dictates: The needs of the many outweight the needs of the few.

And besides you guys do realize you CAN edit how Shepard looks right?

[slimgrin]

nvm

Modifié par slimgrin, 13 août 2011 - 09:12 .

[100k]

lokiarchetype wrote...

In Western Media, blondes are the associated with 'damsel in distress' and 'bimbo' more than any other type of woman.  The massive amount of stereotyping in regard to the outcome of this poll clearly evidences this. 

This isn't simply a matter of how many representations there are but what those representations are.  We've all seen black women, latinas, and brunettes portrayed as strong, independent, smart, and competent.  Those traits are rarely associated with blondes, though. 

The fact that so many of us are more comfortable with and see those choices as more fitting the role of Commander Shepard underscores the necessity of giving blondes a strong female role model.

I think the detractors of #5 have done nothing if not prove that we need more blonde women being portrayed in a positive light in order to counteract all these hateful and ignorant preconceptions. 

While I'm get what you're saying about blondes not being portrayed in a similarly strong role, I'm not sure I'd agree -- at least in the realm of gaming.



These two characters are pretty strong and memorable, and Samus is easily one of the most recognizable science fiction characters in history.

*not that I'm defending bashing blonde Shepard*

You see, the problem is that there are two kinds of groups attacking femShep:

1) The people who claim that there are already too many blonde female protagonists, thus driving away other female protagonists.

2) The people who claim that blondes can't be taken seriously, because they are associated with a 52 year old girl's toy.

Modifié par 100k, 13 août 2011 - 02:10 .

[lokiarchetype]

100k wrote...

While I'm get what you're saying about blondes not being portrayed in a similarly strong role, I'm not sure I'd agree -- at least in the realm of gaming.

These two characters are pretty strong and memorable, and Samus is easily one of the most recognizable science fiction characters in history.

*not that I'm defending bashing blonde Shepard*

You see, the problem is that there are two kinds of groups attacking femShep:

1) The people who claim that there are already too many blonde female protagonists, thus driving away other female protagonists.

2) The people who claim that blondes can't be taken seriously, because they are associated with a 52 year old girl's toy.

Okay, first, I might be color blind but Lightning's hair is clearly pink in that image.

Further, speaking from a psychology standpoint, one must take into account that the ratio in terms of weight given to negative experiences versus positive is significantly lopsided.  

Negative experiences and portrayals are more memorable to us which is why stereotypes are so persistent.

This ratio is generally accepted to be 5:1, which means you need 5 positive portrayals in order to neutralize the effect of 1 negative portrayal.

So pointing at characters like The Boss and Samus doesn't actually mean very much.  The thrust of the reactions tells us how little of an effect those characters have had on the public conscience and how it perceives blondes.

Modifié par lokiarchetype, 13 août 2011 - 02:21 .

[flexxdk]

The_Other_M wrote...
And besides you guys do realize you CAN edit how Shepard looks right?

Don't forget that apparently some people are "traumatized" by the fact that the winner of the poll will be displayed on the box of the CE. The blondie is apparently sooooo terrible and it is very very very mean from BioWare to use her, resulting into "ruining" the fun and experience of ME3 for some people under us by only LOOKING at her on the box. Looking at Sheploo on the box has the same results, too.

I mean, seriously?! Despite them being opinions, they are the weirdest opinions I've ever heard!

It's BOX ART. BOX. ART. B-O-X, A-R-T! Art on a box that most likely will never ever ever see the sunlight again! Why make such a big deal about it?

Excuse me if I'm being rude, I'm very sleepy right now and about to fall asleep on my keyboard. My apologies if I offended anyone.

Modifié par Whacka, 13 août 2011 - 02:36 .

[Shotokanguy]

It's funny how people keep coming into this topic to explain the same things that have been explained about 1000 times before, causing more people to come in and say "omg people are still whining about this?!"

This topic needs to die.

[100k]

lokiarchetype wrote...
Okay, first, I might be color blind but Lightning's hair is clearly pink in that image.

Well, I actually am color blind, so I can barely tell what color her hair is. I always assumed it was a straw color-- but I could be completely wrong.

Further, speaking from a psychology standpoint, one must take into account that the ratio in terms of weight given to negative experiences versus positive is significantly lopsided.  

Negative experiences and portrayals are more memorable to us which is why stereotypes are so persistent.

Only partly true. Strong, distinct, or powerful portrayals are what people remember most (be they bad or good), hence this is why Samus is one of the most memorable and easily recognizable (along with honorable) female characters in gaming. People probably won't recognize a random picture of Helena Douglas, or Tina Armstrong -- but they will easily remember a picture of Samus because of how engrained in current culture she is.

(granted, this might be a regional difference, where people in Japan would recognize the DOA girls but not Samus...but I really doubt that)

This ratio is generally accepted to be 5:1, which means you need 5 positive portrayals in order to neutralize the effect of 1 negative portrayal.

So pointing at characters like The Boss and Samus doesn't actually mean very much.  The thrust of the reactions tells us how little of an effect those characters have had on the public conscience and how it perceives blondes.

Then what you and I should do is compile a list of blonde female protagonists/characters in gaming to see exactly what the ratio is.

Modifié par 100k, 13 août 2011 - 03:04 .

[Davie McG]

Is there much point in still arguing about this?

In 53 pages plenty of views have been expressed and opinions given, both in favour and in opposition to FemShep being blonde. I'd say all the bases have been covered, and in some cases repeatedly so. In fact when I first posted on this thread in page 5 the discussion on this page had already been had.

I agree with Shotokanguy, this thread is just a loop of the same old arguments and I think it's about time this thread reached it's conclusion.