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Fenris' tattoos: What would they feel like?


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My guess as to why Justice doesn't worship Fenris is because the lyrium has been treated in such a way that it's not poisonous to Fenris or because it's being filtered through Anders and that distorts the "singing". Something has to be up with his tattoos, since everything we know about lyrium makes it seem like the last thing you'd want as a permanant fixture on your body.  A bit like coating oneself in mercury.


Or... Justice does feel the pull and Anders hates it and that's one of the reasons for the friction between Anders and Fenris.


Maybe. Although it makes me roll my eyes if that's the case, because it's that overkill sort of thing I hate in character design. It's enough that they hate each other and that Fenris exists as a character to oppose Anders, having a stupid thing like "but the lyrium in Fenris' skin that gives his hatred definition makes him beautiful to the spirit in Anders' head!" is incredibly twee. And, seriously, does Anders need another thing in the world making his life more insufferable?

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SurelyForth wrote...

Sialater wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

My guess as to why Justice doesn't worship Fenris is because the lyrium has been treated in such a way that it's not poisonous to Fenris or because it's being filtered through Anders and that distorts the "singing". Something has to be up with his tattoos, since everything we know about lyrium makes it seem like the last thing you'd want as a permanant fixture on your body.  A bit like coating oneself in mercury.


Or... Justice does feel the pull and Anders hates it and that's one of the reasons for the friction between Anders and Fenris.


Maybe. Although it makes me roll my eyes if that's the case, because it's that overkill sort of thing I hate in character design. It's enough that they hate each other and that Fenris exists as a character to oppose Anders, having a stupid thing like "but the lyrium in Fenris' skin that gives his hatred definition makes him beautiful to the spirit in Anders' head!" is incredibly twee. And, seriously, does Anders need another thing in the world making his life more insufferable?


No, but .... you can't really discount Justice when talking about Anders, unfortunately.  And... twee?

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No, but .... you can't really discount Justice when talking about Anders, unfortunately.  And... twee?


Er...I know that. But Justice inside a living person with their own senses is not the same as Justice inside a corpse. It's safe to assume that, beyond Kristoff's memories, Kristoff was offering little other feedback to how Justice interpreted things like color or sound.

Since Anders is his own living entity with his own take on how things look and sound, whatever he sees is filtered before it reaches Justice or, at the very least, there's probably dissonance there caused by the gap between how Anders feels/interprets something and how Justice feels/interprets something.

I mean...it's possible? But one would think it would be a fairly large struggle for him and not one easily hidden (especially since Justice would also have his own issues with Fenris as an uncaring and unjust person). Considering how much trouble Anders is supposed to be having controlling Justice in Act 3, it seems unlikely that he'd want to spend casual time around Fenris if Justice was lusting after the sound of his tattoos.

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No, but .... you can't really discount Justice when talking about Anders, unfortunately.  And... twee?


Er...I know that. But Justice inside a living person with their own senses is not the same as Justice inside a corpse. It's safe to assume that, beyond Kristoff's memories, Kristoff was offering little other feedback to how Justice interpreted things like color or sound.

Since Anders is his own living entity with his own take on how things look and sound, whatever he sees is filtered before it reaches Justice or, at the very least, there's probably dissonance there caused by the gap between how Anders feels/interprets something and how Justice feels/interprets something.

I mean...it's possible? But one would think it would be a fairly large struggle for him and not one easily hidden (especially since Justice would also have his own issues with Fenris as an uncaring and unjust person). Considering how much trouble Anders is supposed to be having controlling Justice in Act 3, it seems unlikely that he'd want to spend casual time around Fenris if Justice was lusting after the sound of his tattoos.


Right.  Which is why I think it would add to their animosity.  Not only can he NOT stand Fenris, but the spirit in his head wants to roll around on the elf like a cat with catnip.  Straw + camel = broken back

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Right.  Which is why I think it would add to their animosity.  Not only can he NOT stand Fenris, but the spirit in his head wants to roll around on the elf like a cat with catnip.  Straw + camel = broken back


More like, straw + camel = broke back MOUNTAIN, BABY. High friction and gratuitous hate!sex. All for the love of lyrium and simultaneous angsty body glowing.

Hey. I can interpret the game however I want, don't give me that look!

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Right.  Which is why I think it would add to their animosity.  Not only can he NOT stand Fenris, but the spirit in his head wants to roll around on the elf like a cat with catnip.  Straw + camel = broken back


More like, straw + camel = broke back MOUNTAIN, BABY. High friction and gratuitous hate!sex. All for the love of lyrium and simultaneous angsty body glowing.

Hey. I can interpret the game however I want, don't give me that look!


~Backs out of thread slowly...~

Uh... wasn't heading for Fenders, sorry.  LOL

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~Backs out of thread slowly...~

Uh... wasn't heading for Fenders, sorry.  LOL


*glares at Sia* This is where the twee came in.

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~Backs out of thread slowly...~

Uh... wasn't heading for Fenders, sorry.  LOL


*glares at Sia* This is where the twee came in.


You tried to warn me.  I'll listen next time. LOL

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Masako52 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Right.  Which is why I think it would add to their animosity.  Not only can he NOT stand Fenris, but the spirit in his head wants to roll around on the elf like a cat with catnip.  Straw + camel = broken back


More like, straw + camel = broke back MOUNTAIN, BABY. High friction and gratuitous hate!sex. All for the love of lyrium and simultaneous angsty body glowing.

Hey. I can interpret the game however I want, don't give me that look!

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I always assumed that the purpose of the competition--which sounded like a gladiator match of some sort--was so that the surviving slave would be the strongest and fittest, and most likely to survive the pain of the ritual and having lyrium permanently implanted in his body.

As for what the markings feel like, I'd say smooth, like a healed burn, but cool, unless he's actually glowing, in which case they're slightly warm.

My mage Hawke totally doesn't refer to Fenris as "my boyfriend, the lyrium lick". At least, not when Fenris is in earshot.

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A conflict in his head might account for why the allegedly kind, caring Anders is so delighted if you hand Fenris back to his master.  Fenris has been manufactured by a mage to be a killing machine, is trying to get away from slavery and yet Anders can't have even a smidgen of compassion for him just because he doesn't like mages?   Hooray, I'll think I'll go with that one as it makes me loath Justice/Anders in Act 3 just that little bit less - not that I've ever handed Fenris over myself, I've just seen the footage.
Mind you, kind, caring Anders is even more brutal with Merrill than the "beast" Fenris over what happens with the Keeper, so I think by Act 3 his brain is totally screwed, which is why he thinks placing the bomb in the Chantry is a good idea. 
 
I like the concept that the lyrium brands weren't just to make Fenris more powerful but might also be there to give his Master a boost as well.  I think they probably stand proud from his skin, which would account for why you ask (as a girl) if touching his tattoos hurt him during your night together.  Whatever magic was involved in their creation, I would imagine it would include giving immunity to the fatal effects of the lyrium, otherwise what would be the point?

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Like licking a york peppermint patty.


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Hm people wondering about lurium poisoning made me think of the codex on raw lyrium. Didn't it say it can burn people and kill a mage outright?
If the lyrium is still potent enough to maybe poison Fenris, wouldn't a mage touching him keel over and drop dead?

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Hm people wondering about lurium poisoning made me think of the codex on raw lyrium. Didn't it say it can burn people and kill a mage outright?
If the lyrium is still potent enough to maybe poison Fenris, wouldn't a mage touching him keel over and drop dead?


I sure hope not otherwise my romance playthoughs are going down in a bad way.

I am pretty sure the lyrium in his skin isn't raw anywho cause raw lyrium is red. I don't even know what those blue lyrium veins are about.

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Like licking a york peppermint patty.

BEST SEX EVER

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Something has to be up with his tattoos, since everything we know about lyrium makes it seem like the last thing you'd want as a permanant fixture on your body.  A bit like coating oneself in mercury.


Could it be that Fenris was somehow conditioned to lyrium?  Sort of like how snake handlers/beekeepers become somewhat immune to poison over time?  I don't know how Fenris was tattooed and how long the process was, but perhaps he was somehow exposed to it little by little so that he gained a tolerance.

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Fleshdress wrote...

Neminea wrote...

Hm people wondering about lurium poisoning made me think of the codex on raw lyrium. Didn't it say it can burn people and kill a mage outright?
If the lyrium is still potent enough to maybe poison Fenris, wouldn't a mage touching him keel over and drop dead?


I sure hope not otherwise my romance playthoughs are going down in a bad way.

I am pretty sure the lyrium in his skin isn't raw anywho cause raw lyrium is red. I don't even know what those blue lyrium veins are about.


All the lyrium you see in DA:O was blue, there were veins of it you could touch in the Deep Roads for replanishing mana. I believe raw lyrium is blue and the red-lyrium we find in DA2 is something new/different
Let's hope it doesn't get as complicated as different colours of Krytonite :?

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All the lyrium you see in DA:O was blue, there were veins of it you could touch in the Deep Roads for replanishing mana. I believe raw lyrium is blue and the red-lyrium we find in DA2 is something new/different
Let's hope it doesn't get as complicated as different colours of Krytonite :?


Maybe the red lyrium is evil? The idol seems to be made of it. I always thought they put the blue lyrium veins in DA2 to spruce the place up a bit. All they really suceeded in was making it look like candy, my mages just wanted to sit there and lick the walls. Image IPB

Hmm, a red lyrium Fenris, though I don't see how they would make him MORE angry and aggressive. Maybe he wouldn't even bother trying to get along with mages, he just ices them all willy nilly. Why does even that sound appealing to me. Image IPB

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There are clearly different types of lyrium - raw, corrupt raw and refined.  Since the stuff we pick up and the dust is always red, the stuff in the bottles is blue and Fenris glows blue/white, I would assume that what Danarius used was liquid refined lyrium, which when applied to the skin burns and scars but if the subject survived the process, alters their relationship with the Fade.   Clearly Danarius set up a sort of gladiatorial contest so the best subject would be used for his experiment - because it was probably very costly and he didn't want it wasted on an inferior slave.  However, this may not have been the first time he attempted it and so he was now having to offer a boon in order to ensure that the slaves did ther best.  If you know this sort of thing has happened before and the slave didn't come back, it might take the edge off your determination to win.  Leto, as he was then, saw this as an opportunity to free his mother and sister - though given he lost his memories as a result, it is surprising that Danarius bothered to keep his end of the bargain.   Perhaps Leto had to see them freed before he submitted to the process and it was necessary that he did it willingly for it to work.  Who knows?  Unless Danarius left notes or someone else figures out how to do it, the secret will have died with him.
Fenris was valuable because he was the first subject to have survived the experiment for any length of time.  The longer he survived, the more valuable he became.   Whether Danarius really wanted to flay his hide to use on someone else is debatable.  I suppose if Fenris died fighting for his freedom, that would have been an alternative to getting him back in one piece but on the whole I think Danarius wanted him back alive so he would be guaranteed to have a pliant slave with the full abilities he had imparted to him.
Oh, and for those people who only see him as a violent, angry, beast, like Anders, as I said to him, may be you should get to know him (as a friend) and empathise with him a bit more.  Those who do, like Varrick, Donnick, Averline and even Isabella, do actually start to see something of the person emerging.  If you romance him, you get to see a bit more - and really good mages, like my Hawke, Bethany and Malcolm do have his respect.   As he gets to meet more decent mages may be he will become less prejudiced against them but given his experiences up to now, including most of the mages we encounter in Kirkwall, it is hardly surprising that he is still generally hostile and mistrustful.

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I love this thread! :o

I was thinking about it and I think his skin would be soft, smooth and warm but with a small electrical charge.

OMG I actually wrote that. :whistle:

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I don't like my own Hawke much at the moment (bipolar anyone?) so it would have been funny if he had dropped dead after grabbing Fenris' arm *sad sigh*