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CrimsonZephyr

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Sifr1449 wrote...

Do we actually know that Malcolm trained in the Kirkwall Circle?

Could it be possible that he was a Mercenary for a time after escaping from another Circle where he was a Junior Enchanter. This would explain why he was so vague about his life before he met Leandra and why his boots "The Long Trek" seemed so worn. From Anders' example, we know that Mages can travel a LONG way to try to escape their templar pursuers.

From what Tobrius told us in "Family History" , Maurevar Carver helped him escape Kirkwall. Could it be possible that Ser Maurevar Carver was the one who was alerted when Malcolm revealed his magical abilities when in Kirkwall?

It would add some weight to his comment "Rule is not served by caging the best of us." as the reason why he would let Malcolm remain an apostate.

I haven't gotten around to playing Legacy yet, does anyone know if its said one way or the other?


He used to perform magic for the nobles in Kirkwall, so I doubt they brought him in from Ferelden just for that. I'm pretty sure he was in the Kirkwall Circle.

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I liked how in Legacy we never actually SAW Malcolm Hawke. I mean, he's spoken about but we never see any kind of flashback of him. It's kind of more meaningful that way, actually. It leaves so much more to the imagination and interpretation.

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Masako52 wrote...

I liked how in Legacy we never actually SAW Malcolm Hawke. I mean, he's spoken about but we never see any kind of flashback of him. It's kind of more meaningful that way, actually. It leaves so much more to the imagination and interpretation.


I figure he'd look like M!Hawke. Except, when he speaks, every woman nearby becomes spontaneously pregnant.

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Malcolm was a Ferelden Apostate, who often posed as a Mercenary and had martial skills enough to make it look like his alibi was true, also netting him positions in different mercenary bands. On an assignment for the Crimson Oars he's sent into Kirkwall.

One day on the Docks fighting the Carta, he was forced to use his magic to save the Crimson Oars' Leader. The Templars were alerted and he was captured, eventually working his way up to the position of Junior Enchanter, and first met Leandra while working during the Viscount's functions. He became good friends with Tobrius and presumably Maurevar Carver. Gamlen also assisted in letting Malcolm see Leandra, but his friendship with Malcolm is unknown if there was any to begin with.

He was taken by the Wardens to use Blood Magic to renew the seals of Corpyheus's Prison, and bound several demons away as well in the keep, although obviously they weren't the Guardians of the Seals, but instead minor demons locked away for good. He did all this under the threat of Leandra's Death, and also asked for influence over Fausten Amell, to allow him to marry Leandra if he ever had the oppurtunity.

By this time Hawke was most likely growing inside Leandra. It also seemed Malcolm wished and yearned for freedom.

The Orlesian Empress came to Kirkwall, and disguising himself under Orlesian Robes during a Ball held in the Empress's honor, he stole Leandra away in the midst of night where he intended to say his good byes but she insisted on departing with him, and going through the Waking Sea into Ferelden, and Hawke was born in this period. Later, Carver and Bethany were born, Carver being the namesake of the Templar Maurevar Carver who somehow helped Malcolm escaped unnoticed.

Malcolm spent much time with Bethany and Mage!Hawke and not much time with Warrior-Rogue!Hawke and Carver, choosing to try and teach the mage/mages of the household how to use their magic to serve what's best instead of what's base of them. He also presumably warned against Blood Magic and Demons, although this is a presumption on my behalf, his demeanor toward the subjects was less then friendly. This doesn't mean he rejected any of those who wished to learn it, rather he wanted them to do it responsibly.

Eventually they settled in at Lothering, running from Templars to find a place to settle in. Malcolm taught them to not to fear magic, and be prepared against those who were. Malcolm worked on a little staff as a side project.

He 'died' in 9:27, the cause is never specified, and the family never speaks about it; either indicating that the death was gruesome and don't want to remember it, or Bioware left open to fill in the gaps later.

Malcolm COULD'VE died to Templars [Say a Hawke member does a spell, they're thought to be a Mage but then he pops up.] or became an Abomination [Due to his Blood Magic.]

Although who really knows how he died. Calian died on Sea afterall ;D

Take this into account : D

Modifié par Myusha, 06 août 2011 - 06:36 .


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My thoughts have always been that Malcolm was against blood magic because of the risks involved in its use, both to the mage and their family.  The fact that he was forced to use it would not have made him any more in favour of it.  Bethany is very anti-blood magic.  She doesn't get on well with Merrill because of the latter's use of it.  I therefore assume that Bethany was taught by her father that whilst she should not be ashamed of being a mage, she should never resort to blood magic.  I had also assumed as much with a Hawke Mage so to subsequently find out this with Bethany sort of reinforced my original thoughts on the matter.    He didn't want his children to be mages because he knew the sort of life they would have to lead - I assume that doesn't mean he was ashamed of their gift.

If you side with the Templars at the end with Bethany still alive, when you confront Orsino, Bethany is truely devestated that he resorts to blood magic and also that he helped Quentin.   Since she nearly got killed trying to defend him from the Qunnari, I assume that Orsino had become a sort of substitute father figure for her.  In any case she probably looked up to him simply because he was First Enchanter and admired him for the way he stood up to Meredith.  I haven't played Legacy but how does she react to the knowledge that her father resorted to blood magic (albeit under duress)? 

I feel that Malcolm must have been a very firm but good teacher for his mage children, purely because of the fact that no matter how provoked or desperate, they don't become abominations.   He imparted a strength of character or mind, since even Fenris will admit that Hawke/Bethany are the rare example of strong mages who can resist temptation.  Unfortunately this meant he had to devote more time to their education than Carver.   It is a pity he didn't get to pass the skills on more widely because they sure as hell needed them in the Kirkwall circle.

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Any theories on why the Fugitive's Mantle has Chantry motifs all over it?

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Because it was a disguise, I'm sure the Orlesian Empress, hung out with a bunch of Chantry folk. And guards and such wont hassle the Chantry entourage.

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The Baconer wrote...

Any theories on why the Fugitive's Mantle has Chantry motifs all over it?


He wore it ironically.

Malcolm was the original hipster.

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Myusha

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Malcolm also mostly like believed in the Maker. His spirit chanted how a little mantra that ended with "Maker so let it be" I think.

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Which makes sense given how Hawke, Bethany and Carver all mention the Maker in dialogue at various points, implying that they were raised to be Andrastian.

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anders is from andersfels end up in ferelden circle
malcolm hawke is from ferelden end up in kirkwall circle
makes wonder where warden elf/human mage are from

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Human mage is from Kirkwall - 'Birthright quest'. I thought that it only was Anders' parents that were from Andersfels.

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Magi Warden Surana is from Denerim alienage. Magi Amell is from Kirkwall. I don't know that much about Anders.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 08 août 2011 - 10:34 .


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EmbryMay wrote...


SPOILER

The whole, Malcolm not wanting a child with magic thing really touched me, I was playing a mage Hawke and she was devastated to hear that,


Was that actually what happened or was it just your headcanon?


miskatonica wrote...

I can't recall the dialogue specifically, but if I remember right there's a part where Carver describes Malcolm teaching him how to fight? Though that might just be from another fan-discussion thread.


Carver mentions how his father managed to spend time with him and train him even though he had to spend time training Bethany and Mage Hawke - and reminisces about the first time he was able to beat his father at swording.

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Gespenst wrote...

EmbryMay wrote...


SPOILER

The whole, Malcolm not wanting a child with magic thing really touched me, I was playing a mage Hawke and she was devastated to hear that,


Was that actually what happened or was it just your headcanon?

It happened.

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berelinde wrote...
]It happened.

First playthrough of mine was with my male mage. It was like:
Hawke: WTF Daddy? Image IPB
Carver: *Trollface* Image IPB
Anders: He was a bloodmage? Image IPB
Varric: *Pads Hawke on the back* Image IPB

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Yes, that was my party, too. Loved the banter.

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Knight of Dane

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Gotta admit that having Jaders in this DLC was great, i also like having him and Sebastian along at the same time, way too much fire in the air!

To be honest i only got banter between Varric and Anders once and Carver and Varric once, i dunno if i misstepped at the banter points :o

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I just want more daddy issues to turn up ;P

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First time I read the post I could but shout "Cannot be! Isabella told me she was barren!"

Malcom Hawke trapped a Tainted magister all by himself? Hawke family is almost as bad ass as the Amells

Shame he is still level 20 something after DA2 while my Amell is 15 levels over him ><

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CrimsonZephyr wrote...

I figure he'd look like M!Hawke. Except, when he speaks, every woman nearby becomes spontaneously pregnant.



Funny thing, Malcolm Hawke was also voiced by Nicholas Boulton. Apparently he's just that good.

^ Speaking of trapping things, why did he imprison those shades and demons? Surely he could have just killed them?

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naledgeborn wrote...

Magi Warden Surana is from Denerim alienage. Magi Amell is from Kirkwall. I don't know that much about Anders.


Unless I'm mistaken, Surana has two places he/she can be from: Denerim's Alienage or Lothering. Bums me out a little if you choose the second one, it isn't addressed later when you go there.

I've only played Legacy partway, with Bethany as a circle mage.From what I recall, she gets compliments about how well trained she is, despite not having any formal sort of training. Which just makes Papa Hawke more awesome in my mind.^_^

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I wanna know what he looks like... Because one of my Hawke's has very light hair and blue eyes, mama Hawke has blue eyes, but both Bethany and Carver have black hair and brown eyes. So either he has dark features, or Mama Hawke's got some 'splainin to do.