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[ripstrawberry]

“i don't care who i offended or if i generalized, people shouldn't make declarative statements unless they know what they're talking about. it misleads those who don't know, but come looking for answers.”

Good point and I agree. Though he did seem to believe that he knew what he was talking about.

“Rune of striking. That's worth several attribute points that you save on dex that go right to cunning.”

At 100% crit rate already. So rune of nature w/ +x% nature dmg gear or rune of spirit? Hehehe.

[cihimi]

There is no actual debate, Just people trying very hard to make themselves be noticed. Play dual-wield and finish the game. Then play again, either from scratch or from a saved point, and try bows. You can rely on these so-called "guides" or fly by the seat of your pants and do-it-yourself. Find out what the fuzz is all about. Then decide for yourself.

Modifié par cihimi, 09 août 2011 - 12:51 .

[Relix28]

cihimi wrote...

There is no actual debate, Just people trying very hard to make themselves be noticed. Play dual-wield and finish the game. Then play again, either from scratch or from a saved point, and try bows. You can rely on these so-called "guides" or fly by the seat of your pants and do-it-yourself. Find out what the fuzz is all about. Then decide for yourself.

No offense to anyone, but this is probably the wisest thing anyone said in this thread.

[mr_afk]

"so-called 'guides'"?
lol, Arelex is going to be pleased.

Anyway, there never was a debate on which is 'better' because that's a matter of opinion and playstyle. There are just facts that support each side in terms of what they can do- and it can be helpful to know such facts.

Trying both is obviously the best thing to do given the time and the motivation. But i'm guessing that not everybody will be willing to play through the same story-line doing the same old things just to experience the different combat between classes. Thus this thread and discussion could be useful for those people who only want to do one rogue playthrough.

Modifié par mr_afk, 09 août 2011 - 02:50 .

[ripstrawberry]

^
This. I don't think people were contributing here just to get noticed or debating. People are just enjoying discussing the game they're having fun playing. There is no clear "better" way to go because there are a ton of factors. What difficulty are you playing in? Any limitations on your playthrough like soloing and no potions? Who are your party members? Playstyle? Each build is "better" under a certain category but no build dominates the other. Besides the bottomline is fun.

[Relix28]

mr_afk wrote...

"so-called 'guides'"?
lol, Arelex is going to be pleased.

Anyway, there never was a debate on which is 'better' because that's a matter of opinion and playstyle. There are just facts that support each side in terms of what they can do- and it can be helpful to know such facts.

Trying both is obviously the best thing to do given the time and the motivation. But i'm guessing that not everybody will be willing to play through the same story-line doing the same old things just to experience the different combat between classes. Thus this thread and discussion could be useful for those people who only want to do one rogue playthrough.

I suppose that's a reasonable argument. But just reading about it on forums is not the same as trying it out for yourself, obviously. Someone might play a DW rogue just because someone else said it's "more fun/exciting/awesome/etc..." than Archery (or the other way around). Guidelines and such are fine and all, but you will never know what you (and not someone else) prefer, unless you try it out for yourself.

[thendcomes]

ripstrawberry wrote...
At 100% crit rate already. So rune of nature w/ +x% nature dmg gear or rune of spirit? Hehehe.

Respec, remove ~6 points of dex and place into cunning for ~12% crit damage. The nature dmg or spirit dmg will be <1% damage increase, so you're just as well leaving it empty.

If you're constantly swapping daggers, make sure you have a RoS on one of your other daggers so you can always have 100% crit.

[AreleX]

mr_afk wrote...

"so-called 'guides'"?
lol, Arelex is going to be pleased.

i don't mind. from what i remember of that guy's posts, he's a condescending ****** who has contributed absolutely nothing to any discussion except worthless snark and an unexplainably ******-poor attitude.

he is right, though. just try out both, and play whichever one you enjoy the most. you can succeed with either one (without really min-maxing), so it's just a matter of preference.

[mr_afk]

I vote hammer!
hahaha here's a not-so-serious rogue doing the gauntlet on hammer-time:


it actually makes me a little sad how easy this fight is post-patch. my mages were using crappy act 1 staves and gear and hawke wasn't very optimised either as I was one level short of the black fox's jerkin.

Alternatively, allure's crook rogue anybody?


You'll have to have had these weapons pre-patch (and maybe equipped) because the patch unfortunately 'fixed' them haha

[SuicidalBaby]

pretty sure there is a mod at nexus that removes all requirements from everything.

they pretty much have everything anyone can think up.

"so called guides" from someone who contributes nothing.  man thats gonna sting....   thanks for the laugh

Modifié par SuicidialBaby, 11 août 2011 - 12:26 .

[Santaeus]

Some of you take this way too seriously. Leave it to the internet to take something that should be a fun diversion (sharing video game character builds) and turn it into a name calling epeen measuring festival. Shameful immaturity makes us all look bad. Seriously, I am disappointed with myself for getting annoyed enough by it to post. smh

[SuicidalBaby]

blah blah blah blabity blah

[Santaeus]

A response that is saturated in maturity. Thank you for proving my point, no more time will be wasted here.

[SuicidalBaby]

If you truly felt the way you are attempting to show everyone, you wouldn't have posted anything at all and simply left the thread alone.  Your pompous indignation and clear misunderstanding of the situation shows a clear lack of patience and presence of mind to take everything in before speaking. I could explain it to you, but you would jump to simple conclusions that back up your pre-determined judgements about people you clearly do not know.


lol @ his "maturity" as he puts me on his block list.

Modifié par SuicidialBaby, 11 août 2011 - 02:02 .

[SuicidalBaby]

Back to the point of this thread....

As mentioned the best option, if you cant make up your mind on which direction to go, is to spec DW, Shadow to start. You really only need about 80% crit chance after abilities like Precision since Unending Chain will take you to 100% quite easily, allowing you to dump extra points into con for a little more survivability and ease throughout the game. As well as increase Cunning to astronomical levels in preparation for the Assassin specialization that will come later, which works quite well when it's time to use the bow....

Modifié par SuicidialBaby, 11 août 2011 - 02:26 .

[ripstrawberry]

^
Yup. Assassinate from very far away is really fun. I don't like relying on precision though to take me to 100% crit since I'd rather use speed but I gotta admit precision is useful early game especially when gear pickings are slim. IMO con is not needed on rogues if you know what you're doing and you have decoy, dog, threat management and most especially party members.