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[vometia]

NamiraWilhelm wrote...

And at the very least lower the price if you're going to expand the run by such a big amount. Portal lithos might be a 100 bucks each, but theyre limited to a 100 or 200 run.

And they're enormous, twice the size of the usual Bioware lithos at 36x24".  Though it could be said that's also a liability...

ShepardOsiris wrote...

The print quality, size, paper quality have all remained unchanged, with no improvments since day one, but yet we've seen print runs go from 100, to 250, 300, 350, 400, 500, and now a massive 800. Meanwhile prices have gone up from 30, to 40, to now 50 (for singles) in the span of 12 months. Totally unacceptable. Some increase is understandable in both print run size and price due to the popularity, but that threshold was exceeded long ago, and I don't see any justification in this move at all.

It does feel like there's some price-gouging going on; it's hard to say whose idea the price-rises and ever-larger circulations are, but there's a risk that they'll not only saturate the market but alienate the fans who are genuinely interested in buying this stuff.

It also seems that the number of new releases is getting a bit much: around a year or so back it seemed that there'd be a handful of new lithographs every few months, whereas it seems to have increased to perhaps a couple of batches a month now; and although there's always been the odd duff lithograph for sale, it seems that the number of not terribly inspired pieces of artwork is on the rise.

I think this is the first release where I've really felt "meh, I'll not bother", even though I actually like one of them; admittedly the feeding frenzy caused by the Ebayers has also put me off, but there were ways of working around that without alienating the core fan-base.

Użytkownik vometia edytował ten post 04 sierpień 2011 - 08:45

[CDRSkyShepard]

Hm, re-thinking on getting the Prototype now...don't know if I'm willing to let go of close to $60 in all for an increased run. I had a hard time justifying that price before, considering the Normandy looks like she's playing hide-and-seek with us in the picture, but I am a huge fan of the ship...

We'll have to see.

[Tugga_gott]

I don't like the increase in numbers, didn't the 500 numbers limit make a good balance?

[Marksman_iza]

Also the one per customer limit was added to get rid of ebayers. Which mostly helped now the only lithos up are people who bought one just to sell in the first place and people who don't want them anymore. I won't be surprised if these sit in the store for awhile.  The unsigned ones from valve are like the size of the team litho for 40 dollars. I am starting to rethink buying lithos now in general once I started to think about it. Unless I really love it I think I am just going to stop from now on.

Użytkownik Marksman_iza edytował ten post 04 sierpień 2011 - 09:27

[Elmasmister]

Well it seems to me a great idea, first hassled for eBayers and the other people will have more option to acquire lithographs. wonderful decision.

[killbot92]

I'm not so happy about the big price jumps this year. But, I don't really get the complaints about increased run numbers. It seems like there are always people who get left out of many of these sales. So, isn't it a good thing that your odds will increase? I buy these lithos because I like the art and want to hang them up. I don't care how many other people have the same picture. If you are collecting these to keep in a closet in hopes they will go up in value I don't get it. It seems the only thing that would be good for is re-selling them on eBay or somewhere else.

[Elmasmister]

killbot92 wrote...

I'm not so happy about the big price jumps this year. But, I don't really get the complaints about increased run numbers. It seems like there are always people who get left out of many of these sales. So, isn't it a good thing that your odds will increase? I buy these lithos because I like the art and want to hang them up. I don't care how many other people have the same picture. If you are collecting these to keep in a closet in hopes they will go up in value I don't get it. It seems the only thing that would be good for is re-selling them on eBay or somewhere else.

Agree, I can only understand the complaint about the increased copies for those who want to do business with them in the future.

[vometia]

Elmasmister wrote...

Well it seems to me a great idea, first hassled for eBayers and the other people will have more option to acquire lithographs. wonderful decision.

I think I'm finding it hard to argue with that: it is a good thing that the fans will get a much better chance, and the resale value on Ebay will be seriously reduced.  But I would've accepted the news a bit more enthusiastically if it didn't seem that the price had also been increased: if it is $50, that's too much.

[CDRSkyShepard]

It's not so much that we want to keep them so the value goes up, killbot, there's something special about owning something from a limited run. That's what it really means to be a collector. Unfortunately, when you go to order a collector's item, there is a chance you'll miss out. That's part of the game, and if you miss out, oh well, you move on to the next thing. The fact that they've increased the run of the signed lithos and are possibly releasing unsigned lithos of the same size makes them less collectible, less special, not necessarily less valuable. I don't expect my lithos to bring me any big bucks down the road, I like having them for their "special-ness," if that makes any sense.

However, it makes no economical sense to lessen demand by increasing production *and* raise the price. That combination has us arsed more than anything else.

[Captain Crash]

Ok well I thought it over and im sorry to say Treehouse but im not going for the signed Lithographs. The thing is, that actually a hard statement to say!!


800 is just too much and unless you get the top 100 they simply arnt going to be worth it as a collector. Especially as there will be an "unlimited print" of unsigned ones alongside that are the same size 

Ok I like the art, but thats not why signed lithographs attract people. I feel you have completely lost track of what lithographs are about!!

Having a signed piece is supposed to represent uniqueness and individuality. The unsigned mini lithos were fine because they appeal to the casual art fan. Now look what your doing! Your saturating the market not just by having 800 lithos, but by making the unlimited prints the same size. Theres nothing unique any more about the art because its virtually identical. The only thing that makes it stand out is the fact its signed. So making that signature and number limited attracts us and causes demand.

Just in case someone asks this is the unsigned one. Same size and shape, just missing the signature really.


I will add a couple of things. Firstly, I will retract this statement if you sell out in minutes. Secondly, I realise your circumstances have changed since selling them first began. Thing is I feel that you are completely losing touch with your customer and not grasping why Lithographs are popular.

We dont just buy them because its a pretty picture, we buy them because they are limited!!

Użytkownik Captain Crash edytował ten post 04 sierpień 2011 - 11:08

[Ghost GBR]

I whole-heatedly agree CDRSkyShepard.

[ShepardOsiris]

It's not about how much money you can resell it for. It's not even the artwork so much since you can acquire that in an unlimited run unsigned version or as a wallpaper or even in the artbook like many of the lithos were.

The entire purpose of a limited signed run is to have a little piece of Mass Effect that was hand made for you, an exclusive piece that takes a little extra dedication and devotion to acquire. If you get complaints that there aren't enough of them, then everytime that happens you up the production run, what's the point? It's not very special anymore, is it? If your making one for everyone that wants one, "limited" has no real meaning.

Additionally, it's a real question of purchase value. 18 short months ago, these lithographs were being produced in 300 print runs at a cost to us of $30. Now we are asked to pay $50 for the same size and quality lithograph. On what grounds? Because demand is high? That only holds any weight at all if your keeping the collector status intact. Blowing out the production runs to nearly 3 times the limit and maintaining an artificially high price point at the same time is beyond justifiable.

I'm sorry, but even if your one of the people who have wanted a lithograph and missed out in the past, you can't honeslty make a reasonable case that this was the proper way to go about fixing that situation. Everyone get's shafted with this scenario, new buyers, old buyers, all paying too much and for a less meaningful item.

[Nameless one7]

I don't think this pair of lithos was the best pair of lithos to make a run of 800 on. I wouldn't mind their being more lithos in the market if the prices weren't so high.

[Daveros]

With the demand for lithos being so guddamed high, I can only see this as a good thing. We crashed the server, or whatever, when The Team was released. So many missed out. I hate the idea of missing out on something as wonderful as the Dead Reaper. 800 isn't a huge number.

This is a good decision.

I still can't work out what time it gets released, though. Stupid time zones.

[hist200066]

Wow, just wow.

Let's recap. In a little over a year there has been a near 70 percent price hike on these lithos. I'll admit I haven't been happy with the price increases, but at least the lithos were still highly collectible with a print run of 500.

By making an unlimited amount of unsigned lithos at the exact same size and increasing the signed ones by 300, these lithos have now become completely devalued. There was something uniquely special about owning one of only five hundred signed pieces of art. That's all gone now. I'm sorry Bioware Store but this is unacceptable. If you're going to kill the collectibility of the lithographs like this, at least price them accordingly.

[Insane Fox]

Those artists needs to sign 800 copies now.. if you burns them they wont be able to paint those wonderful pieces.. 500 was just fine!
seriously, I will add my opinion too since all this seems to be be an adaptation of the market. As for myself, I just discovered the store 2 weeks ago and ordered Pragia. Since then I learned a lot on the process and about the sales and everything. Of course im sorry I didnt find this store earlier but I was thrilled to be part of the next sale, to try to put y hand on a piece of collection. But as others said, I dont feel that those lithos are as desirable as they where with lower prints. Of course some people may be unable to put their hand on them but thats part of the game. This is why unsigned version (at lower price) may be available. Anyway some people dosent care for the signed version, they would only be happier to pay less.
My two cents, /,,, sorry for my english

[Crjans]

just tossing this in there but wasn't the idea of having the unsigned versions as minis also intended to prevent fakes? If we are now doing unsigned versions of the exact same size what is stopping forged signatures?

[AgenTBC]

Nothing is stopping forged signatures. This is a terrible idea.

I have the Valve limited lithographs. I lost the Certificate of Authenticity for one of them. This Does Not Make Me Happy for obvious reasons. I have the receipt, but given that the signed and numbered Valve lithographs are exactly the same size and appearance of the un-numbered lithographs, the CoAs are the only evidence they arent forgeries.

Bioware doesn't even provide CoAs, which means there is absolutely no way to prevent scams and forgeries. It's trivial.

[Legendaryhawk]

Yeah no doubt these are going to sit in the store for several days if not months. I think we have the new Pragia/Purg upon us.
I most likely will not be getting these.
At 500, I wasn't really very excited to get them but I still planned on it. At a whopping 800 run, I'm not going to even bother. They aren't even in the top 5 lithos IMO. THBS is rapidly alienating that niche crowd that it took so long to build up. Bad move. To pull off a stunt like this, I'd think you need to be a lot bigger than you currently are. And you guys have to remember that a lot of these lithos were selling out because ebay sellers drool at the potential profit. I think that even the ebay resellers will see that the demand for these is not very high.

[Captain Crash]

Daveros wrote...

With the demand for lithos being so guddamed high, I can only see this as a good thing. We crashed the server, or whatever, when The Team was released. So many missed out. I hate the idea of missing out on something as wonderful as the Dead Reaper. 800 isn't a huge number.

This is a good decision.

Well you hit the nail on the head havent you, now no one misses out.   How nice.

Not just because of an extra 300 being made, but because there is an unlimited print of the litho that is exactly the same size and shape as the signed one.   Albeit without the signature.  So now those that dont get the first 800 dont need to worry to much because they can still get a full size litho anyway.

So thank you for being fair Treehouse and making Lithographs accessable for everyone... 


Its just a shame that by being this fair and generous your stripping away what makes Lithographs unique and desirable.   So now everyone can get it...  how is it a collectors item now?  what makes it special now other then the art on it? 


@ShepardOsiris: really good post by the way  

[milena87]

I was already on the fence with these 2 from the beginning, but then they announced a tiny discount for the 2 pack and I was going to buy them.
I think I'll pass now... the increased price and the number up to 800? It's a bit too much.

[Daveros]

Legendaryhawk wrote...

 And you guys have to remember that a lot of these lithos were selling out because ebay sellers drool at the potential profit. I think that even the ebay resellers will see that the demand for these is not very high.

And you think that upsetting that element of ebaying scum that makes life miserable for the ones whom would actually enjoy the products is a bad thing?

The only people to be honestly upset by this move are either the ebay profiteerers or just edging towards being selfish. 300 more people will be happier per run. Sounds like a result to me.

Użytkownik Daveros edytował ten post 05 sierpień 2011 - 10:41

[djarlaks10]

Daveros wrote...

Legendaryhawk wrote...

 And you guys have to remember that a lot of these lithos were selling out because ebay sellers drool at the potential profit. I think that even the ebay resellers will see that the demand for these is not very high.

And you think that upsetting that element of ebaying scum that makes life miserable for the ones whom would actually enjoy the products is a bad thing?

The only people to be honestly upset by this move are either the ebay profiteerers or just edging towards being selfish. 300 more people will be happier per run. Sounds like a result to me.

It's not a videogame that everyone can get their hands on. It's called collector's item and by definition is supposed to be rare. After all, even with 300 added some people may still miss out on these lithos, so what, let's increase the number to 1000? For those people that may miss the signed versions there will be unsigned lithos released later. So THBS are making money in every direction - there's a price increase, an increase in the amount of signed lithos and there will even be unsigned versions. That's why people are upset.

Użytkownik djarlaks10 edytował ten post 05 sierpień 2011 - 10:57

[antique_nova]

So what's the english time for the release?

[Marksman_iza]

Daveros wrote...

Legendaryhawk wrote...

 And you guys have to remember that a lot of these lithos were selling out because ebay sellers drool at the potential profit. I think that even the ebay resellers will see that the demand for these is not very high.

And you think that upsetting that element of ebaying scum that makes life miserable for the ones whom would actually enjoy the products is a bad thing?

The only people to be honestly upset by this move are either the ebay profiteerers or just edging towards being selfish. 300 more people will be happier per run. Sounds like a result to me.

They have the unsigned version in the same size. They can be happy with those. Even so the one per customer limit was put on so that ebayers wouldn't be able to take like 3 and sell them. Now all 500-800 go to people who really wanted one and not just people on ebay. Like any limited edition item there are only so many and thus only so many people can get one. Valve lithos are a great example they only make 100-200 of each. The heavy being an exception at 400. I doubt they will ever increase that number plus what artist wants to sign something 800 times. I can imgaine the hand cramps. Or the mass effect evolution collector's edition came out at 500. When you want something to be a collectors edition there usually are not very many. If you keep increasing the size there is no point in it anymore you might as well just make all of the unsigned.