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[confoosious2]

Everyone had an equal shot to all the previous lithographs. Despite a lot of whining, the lithos were released to everyone and everyone had the same chance to get them. There were no favorites. I don't see how increasing the run to 800 made it more democratic. If anything, it just makes it less valuable.

Keller - I think the Dead Reaper one is one of the best in the series.

[Elmasmister]

ShepardOsiris wrote...

Korben Leeloo wrote...

 As of 21:00 MDT, only 180 of 300 signed 2 packs have been sold with another 500 signed singles of each yet to come. Wonder who blinks first ..

  Actually as of 23:40 MDT, only 152 lithograph packs have been sold.  Only 135 went up for sale at each release point, not 150.  Likely 15 in each group have been held back for replacement packs.   So some 13 hours after the initial release of these lithographs, there still remains 648 signed and "limited" prints of each lithograph.  Or in other words, even after the typically highest sales period has passed for these two lithographs, there are nearly as many prints of each lithograph still in stock than the entire print runs of Saren, Illium and Citadel combined. 

    At this point, releasing an unsigned version would be beyond idiotic, there is no demand.  Considering only 356 Purgatory lithographs have been sold at a $30 price point in the near 10 months it's been up on the store, there is a good chance these two could literally spend years on the store site.   Where exactly are all these people that demanded a higher print run?  And if the goal was really to give more people a chance to buy the lithographs, then why was the strict "1 per customer" limit lifted?  

   I did not purchase these, nor do I plan to.  I don't think any part of these recent policy changes from Treehouse were handled well or in the customer's best interest, and I'm thrilled that sales were so slow.  I hope that continues, because a couple more releases like this will unquestionably force the store to consider it's tactics and how it treats it's customer base.  It may also be the only way they open thier eyes, because many of us have been posting here, trying for some time to get the store to listen without success.   

A question, if instead of 500 units of The Team had been 800, you think that now would be in store?, I think the problem is not quantity but quality, SR2-Prototype lithography think much has slowed sales because he has not finished to like. Shepard´s good lithograph in an edition of 1000 units sold in less than an hour, we bet?

I what I see here is much ebayer who sees that he is finishing his business

Modifié par Elmasmister, 06 août 2011 - 08:38 .

[Ghost GBR]

Not necessarily, the unsigned version of the Team lithograph is still in the store.

I do agree that quality does play a big hand in this, but it must also come hand in hand with quantity. I would've thought that the majority of us are collectors and not just your average fan. As collectors, there is a huge appeal for something that is limited, which creates that demand to make things sell out.

[Mike 9987]

Elmasmister wrote...

ShepardOsiris wrote...

Korben Leeloo wrote...

 As of 21:00 MDT, only 180 of 300 signed 2 packs have been sold with another 500 signed singles of each yet to come. Wonder who blinks first ..

  Actually as of 23:40 MDT, only 152 lithograph packs have been sold.  Only 135 went up for sale at each release point, not 150.  Likely 15 in each group have been held back for replacement packs.   So some 13 hours after the initial release of these lithographs, there still remains 648 signed and "limited" prints of each lithograph.  Or in other words, even after the typically highest sales period has passed for these two lithographs, there are nearly as many prints of each lithograph still in stock than the entire print runs of Saren, Illium and Citadel combined. 

    At this point, releasing an unsigned version would be beyond idiotic, there is no demand.  Considering only 356 Purgatory lithographs have been sold at a $30 price point in the near 10 months it's been up on the store, there is a good chance these two could literally spend years on the store site.   Where exactly are all these people that demanded a higher print run?  And if the goal was really to give more people a chance to buy the lithographs, then why was the strict "1 per customer" limit lifted?  

   I did not purchase these, nor do I plan to.  I don't think any part of these recent policy changes from Treehouse were handled well or in the customer's best interest, and I'm thrilled that sales were so slow.  I hope that continues, because a couple more releases like this will unquestionably force the store to consider it's tactics and how it treats it's customer base.  It may also be the only way they open thier eyes, because many of us have been posting here, trying for some time to get the store to listen without success.   

A question, if instead of 500 units of The Team had been 800, you think that now would be in store?, I think the problem is not quantity but quality, SR2-Prototype lithography think much has slowed sales because he has not finished to like. Shepard´s good lithograph in an edition of 1000 units sold in less than an hour, we bet?

I what I see here is much ebayer who sees that he is finishing his business

Well, what if they ALSO announced releaseing unsigned, unnumbered versions of the team in the same size for cheaper, on top of the 800 signed. I highly doubt all 800 would have sold. the thing that bothers most people is the fact that they are making the unsigned ones the exact same size, on top of making a rediculous amount of signed ones. its just too many for the signed ones to have any sort of value, so most people are waiting for unsigned.

Modifié par Mike 9987, 06 août 2011 - 09:54 .

[Korben Leeloo]

Elmasmister wrote...
A question, if instead of 500 units of The Team had been 800, you think that now would be in store?

That's a good question. Possibly not, but I'd imagine some would be annoyed at having to pay $80 + shipping for a not so limited Team litho with a print run of 800. Now imagine if they had also decided to print an unlimited amount of unsigned Team lithos at the 39x22 size. That's the mess we find ourselves in now.

Elmasmister wrote...
I think the problem is not quantity but quality, SR2-Prototype lithography think much has slowed sales because he has not finished to like.

I don't think that to be the case. I actually really like the art of this batch of lithographs and was planning on ordering both of them up until a few days ago. That's when the decision that they'd be putting out 800 of each was revealed. This, coupled with the fact that they'd also be offering unlimited unsigned ones at the same exact size, has turned me off completely.

Elmasmister wrote...
I what I see here is much ebayer who sees that he is finishing his business

Don't let our resident ebay profiteer troll having chimed in fool you. Judging by the responses in this thread most of the people peeved off at Treehouse's decision have been genuine collectors. The sheer amount of lithographs being offered has completely killed their collectibility. It's ridiculous to be expected to pay “limited” prices for lithographs being printed out in a near unlimited fashion.

Modifié par Korben Leeloo, 06 août 2011 - 10:33 .

[AgenTBC]

Yep; these are the last lithos I'm buying at release. As long as they are selling 800 signed + god knows how many unsigned there is absolutely no reason to buy early at full price. I'll be waiting until I can get the two packs for cheap. Maybe $40 for both.

I'd cancel my order for these two as well except I guess you have to do it right away and I waited too long.

[Korben Leeloo]

AgenTBC wrote...

Yep; these are the last lithos I'm buying at release. As long as they are selling 800 signed + god knows how many unsigned there is absolutely no reason to buy early at full price. I'll be waiting until I can get the two packs for cheap. Maybe $40 for both.

I'd cancel my order for these two as well except I guess you have to do it right away and I waited too long.

I'd suggest opening a support ticket and providing your reasoning for wanting to cancel. Many of us have been voicing our concerns on this forum about the store's new policies to no avail. We need to let BWS know of our dissatisfaction through as many communication channels as possible. It certainly couldn't hurt to try.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Ebayers will probably actually benefit from the increased run. With more items available, they were more lax with the one person rule. I didn't see all the big fuss about it in the store as with the last releases. If that's the case, then the ebayers can buy up stock and sell it. I don't get why people think an increased run will be worse for ebay scalpers and better for us who actually want to buy them. Sure, they could limit to one per person again, but is the demand really there for them to be able to totally sell out as they have in the past?

No matter what, someone somewhere isn't going to get the litho they wanted. And when they complain, what's Treehouse gonna do? Up the run to 1000? 1500? It's a slippery slope, if you ask me.

[Mastertortilla27]

33 hours after the second release and only 33 litho packs have sold so far. Yep, looks like we've got our new Pragia and Purgatory.

[Legendaryhawk]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Ebayers will probably actually benefit from the increased run. With more items available, they were more lax with the one person rule. I didn't see all the big fuss about it in the store as with the last releases. If that's the case, then the ebayers can buy up stock and sell it. I don't get why people think an increased run will be worse for ebay scalpers and better for us who actually want to buy them. Sure, they could limit to one per person again, but is the demand really there for them to be able to totally sell out as they have in the past?

No matter what, someone somewhere isn't going to get the litho they wanted. And when they complain, what's Treehouse gonna do? Up the run to 1000? 1500? It's a slippery slope, if you ask me.

It's worse for ebay scalpers because the value of these are very low with such a huge supply. So if an ebayer scalped this within the next few months, they'd barely break even, if that, after fees.
Ebay fees and Paypal fees amount to about 10% of an items value for high dollar items and about 17% for lower value items (under $50). 

[orionshield]

Mastertortilla27 wrote...

33 hours after the second release and only 33 litho packs have sold so far. Yep, looks like we've got our new Pragia and Purgatory.

How do you Know how many are left!!??

[Raaln_11]

Put the litho in your cart. Update the total to something ridiculous. That'll tell you how many are left.

[orionshield]

Raaln_11 wrote...

Put the litho in your cart. Update the total to something ridiculous. That'll tell you how many are left.

Update to something ridiculous do you mean add a lot of stuff and update or keep pressing the update button a lot while the litho is in the cart??

[Ghost GBR]

Just add the item you're interested in, go to cart, change quantity total to 1000, update and then it should tell you what's left in stock.

[orionshield]

Oh Oh Oh I see Raaln_11!!! I get thanks got it to work!!

[orionshield]

Thanks Ghost GBR!!!!

[DukeOfNukes]

Honestly, I'd be happy if they get rid of the numbering altogether. They should go back to 30 bucks, do them as unlimited runs WITH a signature...then I would buy these 2. I like the art, not the idea of having a collectors item. All the newer lithographs are pretty much value-less anyways...considering how flooded ebay is from year old lithos.

Seriously, I hope this is a sign of things to come, and the backlash is hitting now.

[Madcat46]

Crap is still crap regardless of quantity or price. Peek-a-boo SR2 and colouring book worthy pile of metal are half-assed at best and considering the price increase for... 'shipping materials?' (damn the crappy american dollar!) it pretty much kills any desire to buy lithos.

I missed out on the last couple lithos because THBS professionalism (not including customer service Ms. Domino!) seems to be on the decline and it just wasn't as appealing as it used to be to try and get a limited run litho. Between the repeated packaging shenanigans and store oops's I've lost a lot of interest in buying anything.

On a side note I don't mind the additional 300 limited run prints because I still think that 800 out of how many hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of Mass Effect fans is pretty limited but everything else getting kind of ridiculous

Sorry if I'm not making a whole lot of sense, it's late! Give me a break! =)

[JamnOnTheOne]

confoosious2 wrote...

Everyone had an equal shot to all the previous lithographs. Despite a lot of whining, the lithos were released to everyone and everyone had the same chance to get them. There were no favorites. I don't see how increasing the run to 800 made it more democratic. If anything, it just makes it less valuable.

Keller - I think the Dead Reaper one is one of the best in the series.

My biggest issue is still is that whoever is hosting the purchasing servers clearly aren't capable of dealing with the ordering server load and *can* cause folks to miss out on a purchase.   Hopefully this extra money they are making on the increased run and pricing will go back into the servers and/or software used for taking orders.  I missed out on Miranda and Tali lithographs because of server load issues.

[TheKingBoar]

Again with the ridiculous print run people. Just to resay what I already said, even with the increased print run, you have ~.03% of the available fans (judged by a very modest sales assumption for ME2 of 2.5mil) who can get the litho. All Bioware has to do is advertise it on Cerberus Network, and they're gone. These are still limited in terms of how many people can get them. I'm just mildly peeved the print number is a weird number like 800 rather than a good round one like 1000 or 750 even. I think ~.03% is still limited enough though. The slow sales are due more to the lackluster Prototype SR2 art (I really do like dead reaper) than anything else. Put a normandy against the citadel though, and see how well that sells, even at a print run of 1000 (still under .05% for the record).

[Ghost GBR]

It's all good and well stating percentages, but you have to realise that out of the people who play games only a small amount are actually collectors...with only a small amount who would be interested in Lithographs. So I think a run of 300-500 is more than enough, as long as you wanted to deem it a limited collectible.

Heck out of all the games you ever played, how often do you check it's news network. I LOVE Mass Effect, but I never check the Cerebus network. To most collectors, rarity of an item is what drives them to buy. If there were 1000...2500...unlimited print runs on Lithographs, I really dont think there would be the same drive or urgency to buy them straight away.

Anyway there's no point going on, I guess only time will tell to see the results of the Dead Reaper/SR2 Proto run and where they go from there.

[DILLSGAR]

My two pack just arrived. The packaging was a HUGE improvement and they arrived in GREAT shape! A+

The Dead Reaper looks pretty sweet in person.

[SniperREX]

I just got my two pack and unfortunately there are two huge creases in the middle of both. Looks like the cardboard and the box were bent during shipping .

It seems that the new packaging is better for avoiding small creases in the corner, but is worse for other issues

[antique_nova]

SniperREX wrote...

I just got my two pack and unfortunately there are two huge creases in the middle of both. Looks like the cardboard and the box were bent during shipping .

It seems that the new packaging is better for avoiding small creases in the corner, but is worse for other issues

You have made a support case haven't you?

[SniperREX]

antique_nova wrote...

SniperREX wrote...

I just got my two pack and unfortunately there are two huge creases in the middle of both. Looks like the cardboard and the box were bent during shipping .

It seems that the new packaging is better for avoiding small creases in the corner, but is worse for other issues

You have made a support case haven't you?

I just did. The batteries of my camera were dead.