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Débuté par DoomMech , août 03 2011 06:51

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Posté 05 août 2011 - 02:45

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stewie1974 wrote...

"Space Opera" is not gritty dirty hard fi universe.....It's star wars , only difference is guns in M.E go bang bang, instead of tzu tzu


Space Opera doesn't have to be clean and "smooth", nor is it a subtype of Science Fantasy.  It has to do more with the scale of the story than anything else.  In a way, it's the SF equivalent to Heroic/Epic Fantasy. You're right about the "FTL and aliens" not being deciding factors though.

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Posté 05 août 2011 - 03:07

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What's so bad about a transparent ceramic blade?


We do seem to be on the verge of having them today.

Edit:

Actually, we do seem to have diamond blades for eye surgeries.

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Posté 05 août 2011 - 03:58

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I don't think those blades would be standard issue for most soldiers, though. I'd imagine that diamond blades are expensive as hell too.

Besides, you can use your omni-tool for other stuff than just stabbing people. :P

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Posté 05 août 2011 - 04:02

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Yemmahogany wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Yemmahogany wrote...

Who cares how it works!?

There are no such things as salarians, asari, Mass Effect relay's or ANY of the content presented in these games.

It's a work of fiction, you moron! NONE of it's real. Just play the damn game and STFU.



Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you: The demise of intelligent games and compassionate customers


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It's people like that dragging the quality of games down.



Neofelis Nebulosa, you are the following:
snooty/ˈsno͞otē/Adjective: Showing disapproval toward others, esp. those considered to be of a lower social class. 

Fanboy 

a term used to describe a male who is highly devoted and biased in opinion towards a single subject or hobby
within a given field. Fanboy-ism is often prevalent in a field of
products, brands or universe of characters where very few competitors
(or enemies in fiction, such as comics) exist.

self-absorbedadj preoccupied with one's own thoughts, emotions, life, etc.


The omniblade is a new feature and selling point of this game, one of the many ways to inovate gameplay and add something new to the franchise. Regardless of how they explain it (or don't explain it) it's IN THE GAME. They're not going to remove it because of the misgivings of a single snooty, self absorbed fanboy. They're not. So complaining about it is utterly irrelevent.

The omniblade looks cool, Casey Hudsen says its really satisfying to use it in melee combat... What else do you need? I for one am quite satisfied with the idea of it and have already implemented it into a Mass Effect Cortex RPG im running. My players like it, too.

You have no idea who or what you're talking about, sir or madam. Go suck an egg.




Ahem, ... well then how do I start.

First of all, got off your high horse. Then, take a look back at your original post and see for yourself what you wrote. Then come again and tell me there was no possibility to write your opinion down without trying to insulting other people for having/wanting a discussion.

Secondly, wanting us to stop discussing a topic we want is EXACTLY what I said, the demise of development and draft back to low quality works. If people like ever had enough say in things, we'd be sitting in caves and waiting of some thunderstorm to make us a fire to roast some meat on. Discussion and moderate disapproval is the very basic of progress. Things don't get better just by blindly accepting everything.

Third, if you really think that Omniblade is a selling factor, you are gravely mistaken. I dare assume that no one interested in playing a good game is going to buy ME3 because it has a cool looking melee attack. It's a feature people might like, and that's it. You don't buy chocolate because you like the patters that are formed on it, you buy it because you like the chocolate.

Forth, yes it is in the game. Yes, it won't change. And no, that is no reason to stop discussing it. That's like "No we don't like war, war is evil ... oh we have war ... well let's go with it. Death and destruction, yay!". Do you see the ridiculousity? Again, discussing things is the base of improving them. If not in this game, then in a latter.

Fifth, Casey Hudson says it feels satisfying. Well, good for Mr. Hudson. Just in case you haven't noticed, Casey Hudson also wants you to buy the game. Of course he will say that. And yes, he is probably right from his perspective, he might really like it. I am however not Casey Hudson, I may not like it. And from the looks of it, evidently, I am more inclined to not like it in its current form. Again, thinking for yourself is what make development means, how progress is achieved. People said man can't fly, others disagreed, now man can fly. Do you see the similarities?

Sixth, I do not understand how that makes me a fanboy. Case in point, I am more an anti-fanboy at this very moment. Or if you want to pin that term on me no matter what, I am a fanboy of my idea how it should be like. So what? You are a fanboy on your ideas just the same. Get a grasp on those definitions you try pinning on me and then try again.

Seventh, I also do have some very solid explanations for something like the Omniblade at my disposal and can easily accept such a feature. But I don't like the execution. I don't like the what the look implies. Don't assume my argumentation or point of view is invald just because you think I can't cope with it. So far, you are an exceptional speciman of that "self-absorbed" definition you presented.

Last but not least, all your sophisticated constructions and arrogant assumptions on the person of mine are betrayed by the very essence that your last sentence screams. I do not think I have to explain that one to you.

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Posté 05 août 2011 - 04:14

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Someone With Mass wrote...

I don't think those blades would be standard issue for most soldiers, though. I'd imagine that diamond blades are expensive as hell too.

Besides, you can use your omni-tool for other stuff than just stabbing people. :P


Diamond is expensive today for a bunch of reasons that I shouldn't get into. =]


But using synthetic diamond, is where they can be made cost effective, and considering the tech in the games, it's not too much of stretch for carbon to to used to make very sharp blades.

And having the blade as such, would allow for it glow and be mistaken as a hologram... :bandit:
I just want a module on the forearm, for the blade to be stored in, so the omni-tool is not making a brand new for each use! :lol:

:D

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Posté 05 août 2011 - 04:17

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Praetor Shepard wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I don't think those blades would be standard issue for most soldiers, though. I'd imagine that diamond blades are expensive as hell too.

Besides, you can use your omni-tool for other stuff than just stabbing people. :P


Diamond is expensive today for a bunch of reasons that I shouldn't get into. =]


But using synthetic diamond, is where they can be made cost effective, and considering the tech in the games, it's not too much of stretch for carbon to to used to make very sharp blades.

And having the blade as such, would allow for it glow and be mistaken as a hologram... :bandit:
I just want a module on the forearm, for the blade to be stored in, so the omni-tool is not making a brand new for each use! :lol:

:D



That is effectively what I came up with in my Omniblade Discussion Thread.

Just make it stick to something and toss the "switchknife" animation and I am cool. I still don't necessarily need it, but I'd be cool (and if it's there, I will just end up using it like every pragmatic gamer would/should).

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Posté 05 août 2011 - 04:20

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I guess I should finally put my two cents in. =p

Overall, I don't mind the Omniblade too much. While I may not like the fact that it is a "holographic" stabbing tool (I would have preferred if an actual blade slid out from Shepard's gauntlet and was merely "charged" with an ability similar to overload), it still doesn't seem too out of place in a universe where soldiers can launch plasma from a device on their wrist and charge through solid objects.

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Posté 05 août 2011 - 04:21

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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

That is effectively what I came up with in my Omniblade Discussion Thread.

Just make it stick to something and toss the "switchknife" animation and I am cool. I still don't necessarily need it, but I'd be cool (and if it's there, I will just end up using it like every pragmatic gamer would/should).


Yeah, that works for me. ^_^

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Posté 05 août 2011 - 04:22

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Someone With Mass wrote...

I don't think those blades would be standard issue for most soldiers, though. I'd imagine that diamond blades are expensive as hell too.


Synthetic diamond isn't that expensive, and the price of natural diamonds is very much overinflated.  The problem with diamond is that it's actually pretty brittle.  I.e., hard to scratch, not so hard to break or shatter.  Fine for a scalpel, not so hot for larger weapons which will be subjected to a lot of stresses.

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Posté 05 août 2011 - 04:32

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didymos1120 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I don't think those blades would be standard issue for most soldiers, though. I'd imagine that diamond blades are expensive as hell too.


Synthetic diamond isn't that expensive, and the price of natural diamonds is very much overinflated.  The problem with diamond is that it's actually pretty brittle.  I.e., hard to scratch, not so hard to break or shatter.  Fine for a scalpel, not so hot for larger weapons which will be subjected to a lot of stresses.

I've come across Lonsdaleite, which has a hexagonal structure. But I'm not sure how to compare between the different crystal structures.

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Posté 05 août 2011 - 04:33

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didymos1120 wrote...

Synthetic diamond isn't that expensive, and the price of natural diamonds is very much overinflated.  The problem with diamond is that it's actually pretty brittle.  I.e., hard to scratch, not so hard to break or shatter.  Fine for a scalpel, not so hot for larger weapons which will be subjected to a lot of stresses.


I thought so.

The omni-blade is probably using something more common too. Maybe something that can be recycled as well.

And I think they're just calling it a holographic blade for the sake of convenience, but people are always going to get stuck on something silly and blow it out of proportion.

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Posté 05 août 2011 - 04:36

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DoomMech wrote...

You know bioware, I can believe in ludicrous things. I can believe in people with mystic powers and swords made of lasers teaming up with artificially intelligent robots to fight space wizards. I can believe in dudes with giant armor and chainsaw guns battling subteranean aliens. I can believe that a scientist with no combat training and a hazmat suit can defeat a platoon of US marines and extra dimentional creatures.

BUT I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF A HARD SCI-FI UNIVERSE YOU CAN HAVE A "HOLOGRAHIC SWITCHBLADE"

IT JUST DOESN'T WORK!!!

I mean come on Bioware!

Just because somthing is cool, doesn't mean you should just throw it in, it harms the mythology and takes players out of the game, out of the universe you so painstakingly created.

Why not a regular wristmounted blade?
Why not a space age hidden blade?
Why not wolverine claws?
Why not a mass effect saber?



Just....Why?





because.

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Posté 05 août 2011 - 04:38

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^ Insufficient answer for everyone looking to improve his experience with that game.

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Posté 05 août 2011 - 04:43

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zweistein_J wrote...

DoomMech wrote...

You know bioware, I can believe in ludicrous things. I can believe in people with mystic powers and swords made of lasers teaming up with artificially intelligent robots to fight space wizards. I can believe in dudes with giant armor and chainsaw guns battling subteranean aliens. I can believe that a scientist with no combat training and a hazmat suit can defeat a platoon of US marines and extra dimentional creatures.

BUT I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF A HARD SCI-FI UNIVERSE YOU CAN HAVE A "HOLOGRAHIC SWITCHBLADE"

IT JUST DOESN'T WORK!!!

I mean come on Bioware!

Just because somthing is cool, doesn't mean you should just throw it in, it harms the mythology and takes players out of the game, out of the universe you so painstakingly created.

Why not a regular wristmounted blade?
Why not a space age hidden blade?
Why not wolverine claws?
Why not a mass effect saber?



Just....Why?





because.


Okay, that the funniest response i've gotten al week.:lol:

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Posté 05 août 2011 - 04:48

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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

^ Insufficient answer for everyone looking to improve his experience with that game.


True, but this also depends on how much emphasis every player gives to codex entries. Keep in mind that for anyone who ignores the codex, aside from element zero, every piece of tech really is space magic. Even some things which the codex does explain are wrong, or contradicted later on. T

he codex always struck me as intended for flavor; it's the spice you add to the chicken to make it more tasty, but it can't stand for an entire meal.

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Posté 05 août 2011 - 05:09

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Il Divo wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

^ Insufficient answer for everyone looking to improve his experience with that game.


True, but this also depends on how much emphasis every player gives to codex entries. Keep in mind that for anyone who ignores the codex, aside from element zero, every piece of tech really is space magic. Even some things which the codex does explain are wrong, or contradicted later on. T

he codex always struck me as intended for flavor; it's the spice you add to the chicken to make it more tasty, but it can't stand for an entire meal.

 If you let me stay with that comparision, spices however can make a meal that would otherwise make you nauseatic taste great!

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Posté 05 août 2011 - 05:39

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Il Divo wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

^ Insufficient answer for everyone looking to improve his experience with that game.


True, but this also depends on how much emphasis every player gives to codex entries. Keep in mind that for anyone who ignores the codex, aside from element zero, every piece of tech really is space magic. Even some things which the codex does explain are wrong, or contradicted later on. T

he codex always struck me as intended for flavor; it's the spice you add to the chicken to make it more tasty, but it can't stand for an entire meal.


True.  But at the same time you really shouldn't mix orange juice and milk :sick:

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Posté 05 août 2011 - 05:58

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iakus wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

^ Insufficient answer for everyone looking to improve his experience with that game.


True, but this also depends on how much emphasis every player gives to codex entries. Keep in mind that for anyone who ignores the codex, aside from element zero, every piece of tech really is space magic. Even some things which the codex does explain are wrong, or contradicted later on. T

he codex always struck me as intended for flavor; it's the spice you add to the chicken to make it more tasty, but it can't stand for an entire meal.


True.  But at the same time you really shouldn't mix orange juice and milk :sick:


Also true, but it's not necessarily a mixing of the two. It's more like asking whether one prefers orange juice or milk. Image IPB 

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Posté 05 août 2011 - 06:02

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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

^ Insufficient answer for everyone looking to improve his experience with that game.


True, but this also depends on how much emphasis every player gives to codex entries. Keep in mind that for anyone who ignores the codex, aside from element zero, every piece of tech really is space magic. Even some things which the codex does explain are wrong, or contradicted later on. T

he codex always struck me as intended for flavor; it's the spice you add to the chicken to make it more tasty, but it can't stand for an entire meal.

 If you let me stay with that comparision, spices however can make a meal that would otherwise make you nauseatic taste great!


Haha, I figured that would be the next logical step in the comparison. But what I'm getting at is that the codex alone doesn't really constitute the "meat" of the Mass Effect experience. I always read my codex because I find it alot of fun, but it's not what sold me on the genre.  

So to keep these tasty food analogies going, a cheeseburger comparison might be better. The codex isn't the meat/bread which is essential to the sandwhich but is more like lettuce, a completely optional topping which can add a certain flavor to the experience. You might really like lettuce, feel neutral towards it, or ignore it completely.  Image IPB

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Il Divo wrote...
he codex always struck me as intended for flavor; it's the spice you add to the chicken to make it more tasty, but it can't stand for an entire meal.


But what if you don't like chicken?????

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Posté 05 août 2011 - 06:10

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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Il Divo wrote...
he codex always struck me as intended for flavor; it's the spice you add to the chicken to make it more tasty, but it can't stand for an entire meal.


But what if you don't like chicken?????


Hmm, in that case you probably wouldn't be playing Mass Effect.

The chicken is essentially the "heart" of the experience.

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Il Divo wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Il Divo wrote...
he codex always struck me as intended for flavor; it's the spice you add to the chicken to make it more tasty, but it can't stand for an entire meal.


But what if you don't like chicken?????


Hmm, in that case you probably wouldn't be playing Mass Effect.

The chicken is essentially the "heart" of the experience.


What if it smells like chicken, tastes like chicken, has the consistency like chicken, but ain't chicken?



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Posté 05 août 2011 - 06:18

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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

What if it smells like chicken, tastes like chicken, has the consistency like chicken, but ain't chicken?


Edit:

Gah, browser.

It's starting to sound like that stuff from the Matrix movie ^_^

2nd Edit:

Praetor Shepard wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I don't think those blades would be standard issue for most soldiers, though. I'd imagine that diamond blades are expensive as hell too.


Synthetic diamond isn't that expensive, and the price of natural diamonds is very much overinflated.  The problem with diamond is that it's actually pretty brittle.  I.e., hard to scratch, not so hard to break or shatter.  Fine for a scalpel, not so hot for larger weapons which will be subjected to a lot of stresses.

I've come across Lonsdaleite, which has a hexagonal structure. But I'm not sure how to compare between the different crystal structures.


I feel dumb. :D I was thinking about the concept all wrong.

All that needs to be diamond is the blade edge itself, while the rest of the blade structure can be of another composite to absorb any potential stress on the blade edge.

With this setup, the blades should, in theory, also be disposable, with a separate module potentially being able to store the the pre-made diamond edge.

So that way, the standard fabricator can make the composite attach to the thin blade edge.



Darn, though I gott run right now.

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 05 août 2011 - 06:31 .

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Posté 05 août 2011 - 06:21

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My, this topic is taking an odd turn...but it's oddly getting better.

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Praetor Shepard wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

What if it smells like chicken, tastes like chicken, has the consistency like chicken, but ain't chicken?


Edit:

Gah, browser.

It's starting to sound like that stuff from the Matrix movie ^_^


That was indeed the intention. I just didn't feel like going on about sex-crispys Image IPB


Also, off-topic: That one scene is probably the best and most intelligent scene I have ever experienced in a movie.
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