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[The Twilight God]

SpiffySquee wrote...

Then, what about this, the omni blade manufactures a small, strong blade that is hard to see with the eye. Thus, a hologram is put over it so you don't stab yourself with it? Anything hard to swallow there? (honestly asking, since I don't know if that has been suggested)

In another thread I proposed that it was a molecular blade, since it appearantly goes through armor like a hot knife in butter. I heard a dev confirmed this. Probably in retrospect.

However the animation and the sound effects detract from that idea. The instant appearance and disappearance, the sounds of steel grating against steel, the sound of the blade stabbing the victim.; that's not a ultra thin spike or knife. But it could just be inappropriate sound effects meant to enhance the attack. But, yes, it could be a molecular blade. Although it would still be preferrable is soldier shepard had an actual knife that was always visible on the forearm resting in some kind of laser sharpener.  

[Il Divo]

The Twilight God wrote...


In another thread I proposed that it was a molecular blade, since it appearantly goes through armor like a hot knife in butter. I heard a dev confirmed this. Probably in retrospect.

However the animation and the sound effects detract from that idea. The instant appearance and disappearance, the sounds of steel grating against steel, the sound of the blade stabbing the victim.; that's not a ultra thin spike or knife. But it could just be inappropriate sound effects meant to enhance the attack. But, yes, it could be a molecular blade. Although it would still be preferrable is soldier shepard had an actual knife that was always visible on the forearm resting in some kind of laser sharpener.  

Agreed. A combat knife would fit the more 'gritty' style of the soldier, while the omniblade would be better suited to the Sentinel. I'm not really a fan of the double omniblade attack.

[SpiffySquee]

Il Divo wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...


In another thread I proposed that it was a molecular blade, since it appearantly goes through armor like a hot knife in butter. I heard a dev confirmed this. Probably in retrospect.

However the animation and the sound effects detract from that idea. The instant appearance and disappearance, the sounds of steel grating against steel, the sound of the blade stabbing the victim.; that's not a ultra thin spike or knife. But it could just be inappropriate sound effects meant to enhance the attack. But, yes, it could be a molecular blade. Although it would still be preferrable is soldier shepard had an actual knife that was always visible on the forearm resting in some kind of laser sharpener.  

Agreed. A combat knife would fit the more 'gritty' style of the soldier, while the omniblade would be better suited to the Sentinel. I'm not really a fan of the double omniblade attack.

agreed here as well. Personally, I felt the omni blade should have been an engineer only thing, but we got what we got. My only problem is with people suddenly taking issue with an idea that has been displayed several times in the past.

[JBONE27]

DoomMech wrote...

You know bioware, I can believe in ludicrous things. I can believe in people with mystic powers and swords made of lasers teaming up with artificially intelligent robots to fight space wizards. I can believe in dudes with giant armor and chainsaw guns battling subteranean aliens. I can believe that a scientist with no combat training and a hazmat suit can defeat a platoon of US marines and extra dimentional creatures.

BUT I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF A HARD SCI-FI UNIVERSE YOU CAN HAVE A "HOLOGRAHIC SWITCHBLADE"

IT JUST DOESN'T WORK!!!

I mean come on Bioware!

Just because somthing is cool, doesn't mean you should just throw it in, it harms the mythology and takes players out of the game, out of the universe you so painstakingly created.

Why not a regular wristmounted blade?
Why not a space age hidden blade?
Why not wolverine claws?
Why not a mass effect saber?



Just....Why?

 Watch Red Dwarf.

[Someone With Mass]

Il Divo wrote...

Agreed. A combat knife would fit the more 'gritty' style of the soldier, while the omniblade would be better suited to the Sentinel. I'm not really a fan of the double omniblade attack.

I'd be happy if it was just the omni-fist (yay, something new to complain about) used with only one hand.

As for the omni-blade, I think they'll come up with a believable explanation for it when the time arrives, so I'll let it slide.

I mean, there are weirder things in Mass Effect, like medi-gel, or...hell, mass effect fields.

[DoomMech]

Someone With Mass wrote...

That still doesn't explain how they're able to "tap" the screens and know when and where to stop their fingers.

Probably practice. After a few years of using computers like that, it probably becomes second nature. Feel resistance, stop fingers.

[The Twilight God]

SpiffySquee wrote...

Joke has always piloted the ship by pressing controls on a holographic interface.

Read the codex on haplic adaptive interfaces.

SpiffySquee wrote...

You, on the other hand, have to invent complex theories to explain everything from combat drones, to tech armor just to fit your ideas of how the game should be. The omni tool spits out some small machine 20 feet and THEN forms a holographic shell, when there would be no reason to form one from the get go. It might have mass effect fields to stop melee attacks... it might just be programing error from the game designers.

Someone asked why no one complained about the tech armor and drone. That is my answer. The other stuff can be explained. The Omniblade cannot. If you think my ideas are "complex", you're free to have that opinion. I find them to be rather simple and obvious.

SpiffySquee wrote...

It's not a holographic shield, it is a kinetic barrier that comes from a special omni tool that only the shadow broker has because no other omni tools that we know of also have kinetic barriers  and it is only effective if Shepard is pushing on the arm instead of any other part of the shield.

I said Shepard never pushes against the outer parameter of the shield. It's just an observation I brought up when someone said Shepard's body was pushing on the shield. The scene is on Youtube. 

SpiffySquee wrote...

The Tech armor holographic image it is a pretty design choice made by a military manufacturer that cares more about making their solders look good then function. Shepard knows when his/her shields are up, but apparently can't tell if the tech armor is up unless there are shiny lights everywhere.

....and you call the omni blade stupid? 

Ah, ad homenim attacks. The choice of sore losers. I take it you realize you can't win or discredit me so now it turns to personal insults. Predictable. As you are clearly arguing for the sake of arguing our discourse is over.

You get a time out in the naughty corner.

[Homebound]

we can haz tech armor but we cant have omnomnomnomni-bladess?

[Il Divo]

SpiffySquee wrote...

agreed here as well. Personally, I felt the omni blade should have been an engineer only thing, but we got what we got. My only problem is with people suddenly taking issue with an idea that has been displayed several times in the past.

It doesn't bother me too much. I realize it's simply intended as a gameplay mechanic, no matter how good (or bad) the codex entry surrounding it may be, much like the conversion to ammunition. It's just another tool for my Vanguard to murder people with.

[Il Divo]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I'd be happy if it was just the omni-fist (yay, something new to complain about) used with only one hand.

As for the omni-blade, I think they'll come up with a believable explanation for it when the time arrives, so I'll let it slide.

I mean, there are weirder things in Mass Effect, like medi-gel, or...hell, mass effect fields.

I don't have a problem with the omniblade itself as much as the Sentinel's kill animation. My other issue with the double omniblade is that it makes the soldier's less unique in comparison, since not only do they use the same weapon, but Sentinels are able to dual-wield.

[Il Divo]

The Twilight God wrote...

Spiffysquee wrote...
The Tech armor holographic image it is a pretty design choice made by a military manufacturer that cares more about making their solders look good then function. Shepard knows when his/her shields are up, but apparently can't tell if the tech armor is up unless there are shiny lights everywhere.

....and you call the omni blade stupid? 

Ah, ad homenim attacks. The choice of sore losers. I take it you realize you can't win or discredit me so now it turns to personal insults. Predictable. As you are clearly arguing for the sake of arguing our discourse is over.

You get a time out in the naughty corner.

I don't believe he was referring to you, but to the idea behind Tech armor. Snarky, perhaps. But not an ad hominem.

Modifié par Il Divo, 05 août 2011 - 01:29 .

[Someone With Mass]

Il Divo wrote...

I don't have a problem with the omniblade itself as much as the Sentinel's kill animation. My other issue with the double omniblade is that it makes the soldier's less unique in comparison, since not only do they use the same weapon, but Sentinels are able to dual-wield.

And that's why I liked the fists better.

I also think that the Soldier lost its uniqueness when every class could wield any weapon.

Then again, I always thought the Soldier was the most boring class in both games, so...eh.

[Il Divo]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

I don't have a problem with the omniblade itself as much as the Sentinel's kill animation. My other issue with the double omniblade is that it makes the soldier's less unique in comparison, since not only do they use the same weapon, but Sentinels are able to dual-wield.

And that's why I liked the fists better.

I also think that the Soldier lost its uniqueness when every class could wield any weapon.

Then again, I always thought the Soldier was the most boring class in both games, so...eh.

Agreed on all 3 counts. Even in DnD, I never could stand playing the straight up fighter. It just seemed so 'meh' compared to all the cool toys other classes got. That's why I roll Vanguard.

[Badpie]

I can't wait to accidentally stab someone with my omniblade while trying to unlock a door or something.

"Sh*t f*ck sorry!"

I dig the omniblade for soldier. I am not concerned with details about "how it works" or "whether it is appropriate" or "believable." *scoff*

Modifié par Badpie, 05 août 2011 - 01:36 .

[SpiffySquee]

The Twilight God wrote...

SpiffySquee wrote...

Joke has always piloted the ship by pressing controls on a holographic interface.

Read the codex on haplic adaptive interfaces.

SpiffySquee wrote...

You, on the other hand, have to invent complex theories to explain everything from combat drones, to tech armor just to fit your ideas of how the game should be. The omni tool spits out some small machine 20 feet and THEN forms a holographic shell, when there would be no reason to form one from the get go. It might have mass effect fields to stop melee attacks... it might just be programing error from the game designers.

Someone asked why no one complained about the tech armor and drone. That is my answer. The other stuff can be explained. The Omniblade cannot. If you think my ideas are "complex", you're free to have that opinion. I find them to be rather simple and obvious.

SpiffySquee wrote...

It's not a holographic shield, it is a kinetic barrier that comes from a special omni tool that only the shadow broker has because no other omni tools that we know of also have kinetic barriers  and it is only effective if Shepard is pushing on the arm instead of any other part of the shield.

I said Shepard never pushes against the outer parameter of the shield. It's just an observation I brought up when someone said Shepard's body was pushing on the shield. The scene is on Youtube. 

SpiffySquee wrote...

The Tech armor holographic image it is a pretty design choice made by a military manufacturer that cares more about making their solders look good then function. Shepard knows when his/her shields are up, but apparently can't tell if the tech armor is up unless there are shiny lights everywhere.

....and you call the omni blade stupid? 

Ah, ad homenim attacks. The choice of sore losers. I take it you realize you can't win or discredit me so now it turns to personal insults. Predictable. As you are clearly arguing for the sake of arguing our discourse is over.

You get a time out in the naughty corner.

Perhaps you should learn what a personal insult is first. I never have or will insult your character, personality, or intelligence. I only attack your arguments. I simply wondered how you could come up with such outlandish explications for things but simply dismiss the omni blade as stupid. You can cry ad homenim attacks all you want, but any personal insult apparent or otherwise is simply your interpretation and not my action.

I have read the codex on haplic adaptive interfaces and it does not help you one bit. Even a solid hologram would need sensors to tell the location of your fingers since their are no buttons. As said by others, that does not explain Jokers ability to hit it, or their ability to tap their fingers on it as though it were a surface.

You say your explanations are rather simple and obvious, but they have absolutely no evidence to back them up what so ever. They are completely unsupported by anything but your imagination.

[JPfanner]

They could just make a pool of melee attacks and let each Shepard pick the one that suited them. That would also let them throw in more than six and people wouldn't have to use the ones on any character that they didn't like for whatever reason.

Obviously there would still be people complaining; either that they all sucked, that someone else preferred one that they didn't like, or that it is some crime against the universe that the choice exists.

[MrJames079]

Can't we just listen to the MST3K mantra and calm down?
If your wondering the omniblade and other science facts. Repeat to yourself It's just a game,  I should really just relax.'"

Modifié par MrJames079, 05 août 2011 - 10:23 .

[The Twilight God]

SpiffySquee wrote...

Perhaps you should learn what a personal insult is first. I never have or will insult your character, personality, or intelligence.

I misread and thought you were calling me stupid.

SpiffySquee wrote...

I have read the codex on haplic adaptive interfaces and it does not help you one bit. Even a solid hologram would need sensors to tell the location of your fingers since their are no buttons. As said by others, that does not explain Jokers ability to hit it, or their ability to tap their fingers on it as though it were a surface.

Actually, it explains just that. The gloves or implants offer a "force feedback" effect. If you chose to ignore the codex that is your perogative. The very idea of the HAI makes no sense if those consoles are glass panels or whatever magic spell you think they are.

SpiffySquee wrote...

You say your explanations are rather simple and obvious, but they have absolutely no evidence to back them up what so ever. They are completely unsupported by anything but your imagination.

Where is your evidence that magic exists in the mass effect universe?

Fact: Tech Armor is a shield boost. It is integrated into the hardsuit shields.
Fact: Tech armor is NOT an addtional layer.
Fact: Enemies don't go through Tech armor first to get to the regular shields.
Fact: As long as you have 1 shield strenght tech armor is up.

Given these facts what reason do I have to believe tech armor is actually a magical set of holy paladin armor made of levitating pieces of solid light? I don't recall their being any level 30 clerics specced for defensive buffs on the Normandy.

Assuming that other holographic items worked like the omni-tool is hardly outlandish. It's a natural conclusion. That is what I have believed from the moment I saw tech armor. I had no reason to fabricate some Dungeons and Dragons high fantasy magical explaination.

[stewie1974]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...



And I disagree with your disagreement.

The aliens are (mostly) humanoid. But we're not really in any position to say that thats impossible or improbable.
Adn the aliesn are humanoid FORA REASON - to bether connect with them.

FTL? FTL is a REQUIREMENT to have a space-opera. Without FTL your'e constrained to a single planet. Hence,
why I accept FTL. And FTL is open to a lot of debate in the first place.

Biotics? Not my cup of tea and I can't say like them. But at least tehy have a somewhat sensible explanation.


Conclusion - Things that arne't striclty possible (or are theorized not to be) are fine as long as they are NECESSARY for hte universe to work AND as long as they are few in number.

The more you add, the less hard the unvierse becomes.

You are actually agreeing with me by calling it a space opera.... It's sci-fantasy.

Alien and Alien are sci-horror but they go to disprove that FTL is a requirement of sci-fi or exploring alien worlds...Cryosleep or suspended animation is a more realistic goal of space travel.....hell even firefly is more hard fi than M.E, simply because they have no ftl, no aliens, and no sentient A.I.

but when a magic button to "explore alien worlds quickly" is needed, hey presto faster than light travel...

Mass Effect is not -hard- sci-fi....  Bioware do NOT do anything OTHER than fantasy genres.....

KOTOR is Star Wars... hey guess what, Star Wars is Sci-Fantasy too... 

Magic swords = lightsabers and omni blades...
Dragons that need slaying = Rancors and Thresher Maws
Magic powers = The Force and Biotics.


Hell want to go further
Elves = Twileks or Quarrians... nimble yet fragile and possiblly displaced as is the lore for elves in most fantasy settings...
Dwarves = Wookies or Krogan ...sturdy , honour bound, warrior species...of simple determination....


Real world science.... not really present , the occasional "tech speak" thrown in for the trek nerds who think alien species will be green women , or blue women.... instead of xenomorphs who's forms would no doubt match nothing in our imagination...

Yeah let's say tachyon , or dark matter or some other techtalk they threw into star trek every week.

Mass Effect is Sci-Fantasy... deal with it.

Fiction is different from fantasy.... ficition is based in the realms of possiblity, hense fiction and fantasy being two different genre's..

When something is within the bounds of scientific possiblity it becomes -sci fi- when its not really, It's sci-fantasy.

Star Wars and Mass Effect are very much Sci -Fantasy. This should not be a problem coming from a gaming company who basically are always involved in -fantasy- anyway...It's what bioware do.

If that disapoints anyone... if you are sad there are no blue or green human looking women in the future.... sorreh..
but it's just a game, and a little indulgent fantasy.. It's not an accurate prediction of the future, because no prediction ever is....

Modifié par stewie1974, 05 août 2011 - 02:45 .

[comrade8472]

I like the "omni-tool"/ heavy meele just need more info...
so how many ways will there be to make the omni-blade to bug out?


I'm going to try Meele a target as it get's hit by biotics/powers to see if the game crashes if it does then well I am mailing Me3 to bioware with a letter that says finish making this game....

Omni-tool / omni-blade / heavy meele for equipable? social.bioware.com/636293/polls/22927/

Modifié par comrade8472, 05 août 2011 - 03:01 .

[DoomMech]

I just realized something about the Shadow Broker's Omni tool riot shield:

Remember the hexagon shields the geth dropped in ME1? What if the Broker, with all his contacts and super-science, made a version he could strap to his wrist and make invincible to conventional weapons (fists count as conventional weapons)

[Lotion Soronarr]

stewie1974 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...



And I disagree with your disagreement.

The aliens are (mostly) humanoid. But we're not really in any position to say that thats impossible or improbable.
Adn the aliesn are humanoid FORA REASON - to bether connect with them.

FTL? FTL is a REQUIREMENT to have a space-opera. Without FTL your'e constrained to a single planet. Hence,
why I accept FTL. And FTL is open to a lot of debate in the first place.

Biotics? Not my cup of tea and I can't say like them. But at least tehy have a somewhat sensible explanation.


Conclusion - Things that arne't striclty possible (or are theorized not to be) are fine as long as they are NECESSARY for hte universe to work AND as long as they are few in number.

The more you add, the less hard the unvierse becomes.

You are actually agreeing with me by calling it a space opera.... It's sci-fantasy.

Alien and Alien are sci-horror but they go to disprove that FTL is a requirement of sci-fi or exploring alien worlds...Cryosleep or suspended animation is a more realistic goal of space travel.....hell even firefly is more hard fi than M.E, simply because they have no ftl, no aliens, and no sentient A.I.

but when a magic button to "explore alien worlds quickly" is needed, hey presto faster than light travel...

Mass Effect is not -hard- sci-fi....  Bioware do NOT do anything OTHER than fantasy genres.....

KOTOR is Star Wars... hey guess what, Star Wars is Sci-Fantasy too... 

Magic swords = lightsabers and omni blades...
Dragons that need slaying = Rancors and Thresher Maws
Magic powers = The Force and Biotics.


Hell want to go further
Elves = Twileks or Quarrians... nimble yet fragile and possiblly displaced as is the lore for elves in most fantasy settings...
Dwarves = Wookies or Krogan ...sturdy , honour bound, warrior species...of simple determination....


Real world science.... not really present , the occasional "tech speak" thrown in for the trek nerds who think alien species will be green women , or blue women.... instead of xenomorphs who's forms would no doubt match nothing in our imagination...

Yeah let's say tachyon , or dark matter or some other techtalk they threw into star trek every week.

Mass Effect is Sci-Fantasy... deal with it.

Fiction is different from fantasy.... ficition is based in the realms of possiblity, hense fiction and fantasy being two different genre's..

When something is within the bounds of scientific possiblity it becomes -sci fi- when its not really, It's sci-fantasy.

Star Wars and Mass Effect are very much Sci -Fantasy. This should not be a problem coming from a gaming company who basically are always involved in -fantasy- anyway...It's what bioware do.

If that disapoints anyone... if you are sad there are no blue or green human looking women in the future.... sorreh..
but it's just a game, and a little indulgent fantasy.. It's not an accurate prediction of the future, because no prediction ever is....

Actually, I don't agree with you. At all.

I used the term Space Opera, because I use it for all sci-fi that has FTL and aliens.



IF I end up playing Me3 (a big if) I sure as hell don't plan on using the stupid-blade ever..

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 05 août 2011 - 09:19 .

[stewie1974]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...




Actually, I don't agree with you. At all.

I used the term Space Opera, because I use it for all sci-fi that has FTL and aliens.



IF I end up playing Me3 (a big if) I sure as hell don't plan on using the stupid-blade ever..

Then your genre recognition is broken.

No big deal.

"Space Opera" is not gritty dirty hard fi universe.....It's star wars , only difference is guns in M.E go bang bang, instead of tzu tzu

[Lotion Soronarr]

I know what Space Opera is.

The fact that I miss-used the term doesn't mean that I agree with you. It just means that I miss-used the term.

[The_Merc45]

I have a possible explanation for how the omni blade works. Maybe the omni tool comes with an actual blade and hologram on the outside helps the blade get through the armor, and the blade pierces the victim from inside.