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[Ayrell]

Hello everyone,

I finished DAO today: my Warden did the Ultimate Sacrifice and died. I have spent some time looking around the net and saw that I basically have two choices: import my character (who revives for no apparent reason) or create a new Orlesian Warden and have all my choices ignored (Alistair left the party in my game when I decided to spare Loghain's life, for example, and he would appear as the king if I played the Orlesian Warden).

I'm worried about continuity errors that could arise in DA2. Let's say that I pretend that my warden somehow revived and play Awakening using her. I read that in this case the game assumes you chose to follow Morrigan's plan. Is this confirmed? Does the save game really get flagged as if this happened? The way I played my Warden she would never agree to this (I said no to Morrigan) so I really wouldn't like my save game getting changed like that... is there a way to check/edit the savegame to confirm this?

Also, if I chose to play the Orlesian Warden and then imported the savegame to DA2, which choices would prevail? The ones I made or the ones that appear by default in the Orlesian Warden's story? (IE Alistair being king).

Ugh, this is so confusing! Worst thing is that I read that even if you play Awakenings with the revived Warden, in DA2 they actually say that everything that happened in Awakenings was done by another person! So it is like they actually gave us the choice to play a new Warden while keeping our world choices... I wish this was truly possible.

Can someone clarify all this for me, please?

Thank you in advance.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

If you choose to import a US Warden, Awakening retroactively changes your decisions in Origins so that your Warden accepted the Morrigan's Dark Ritual. That will be your continuity.

If you create an Orlesian Warden, it does not import any choices from your Origins Wardens and uses a default timeline. I am not sure what the default is without importing an Orlesian to DA2 other than Alistair being king, so can't help you there.

Long story short, if you want all your choices imported to DA2, either import your US Warden directly to DA2 while skipping Awakening or play a Warden through Origins without the US and import *them* to Awakening, legitimately alive.

[Last Darkness]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

If you choose to import a US Warden, Awakening retroactively changes your decisions in Origins so that your Warden accepted the Morrigan's Dark Ritual. That will be your continuity.

If you create an Orlesian Warden, it does not import any choices from your Origins Wardens and uses a default timeline. I am not sure what the default is without importing an Orlesian to DA2 other than Alistair being king, so can't help you there.

Long story short, if you want all your choices imported to DA2, either import your US Warden directly to DA2 while skipping Awakening or play a Warden through Origins without the US and import *them* to Awakening, legitimately alive.

Yup this about sums it all up correctly.

Of course this also removes the plot line involving the God-Baby in a later Dragonage title, and im sure makes the DLC "Witch Hunt" strange and unusual. This is one of the reasons it defaults to accepting the Dark Ritual.

So yes to keep all your deicisions intact, you need to import directly to Dragonage 2 and not play Awakening and possibly Golems of Amgarrak or Witch Hunt either.

I personaly dont see the merit of the Ultimate Sacrifice for the Warden. Your given plenty of ways out of it and it cripples your story in the Dragonage Universe. Trying to be a Martyr has its consequences.

[Ayrell]

Thank you both for the explanations! I will keep everything in mind.

[Last Darkness]

Ayrell wrote...

Thank you both for the explanations! I will keep everything in mind.

Welcome

If you need a explaination for roleplaying purposes, a Wardens duty is to stop the Blight yes but your Warden is in a situation where they may be able to stop ALL Blights. A Much nobler and higher purpose.

Also Alistair or Loghain doing the US is perfectly acceptable to do, more so Loghain.

[AbsoluteApril]

Last Darkness wrote...

Of course this also removes the plot line involving the God-Baby in a later Dragonage title, and im sure makes the DLC "Witch Hunt" strange and unusual.

hmm now I am curious to do the DR and see how Witch Hunt plays out differently.

(doing the DR just always seems so *wrong*...)

[Last Darkness]

AbsoluteApril wrote...

Last Darkness wrote...

Of course this also removes the plot line involving the God-Baby in a later Dragonage title, and im sure makes the DLC "Witch Hunt" strange and unusual.

hmm now I am curious to do the DR and see how Witch Hunt plays out differently.

(doing the DR just always seems so *wrong*...)

Its much easier and WH goes nicer if your Warden is in love with Morrigan. Its alot better on PC with the morrigan dialog patch.

[Brian Lewis]

@ Ayrell: I searched the forums to answer the same question. At social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6310986 I was able to find an answer. If your Warden did the US, and you imported into Awakening, Golems, and Witch Hunt, and then import into DA2, the game treats your Warden as dead and the events from Awakening, Golems, and Witch Hunt as being done by an Orlesian Warden.

[Last Darkness]

Brian Lewis wrote...

@ Ayrell: I searched the forums to answer the same question. At social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6310986 I was able to find an answer. If your Warden did the US, and you imported into Awakening, Golems, and Witch Hunt, and then import into DA2, the game treats your Warden as dead and the events from Awakening, Golems, and Witch Hunt as being done by an Orlesian Warden.

Hmmm

DavidSims wrote...

If you import an ultimate sacrifice
warden into Awakening and then into DA2, all of your choices will be
recognized, or at least recorded for future recognition. To avoid the
contradiction, we are deliberately vague about who the "Warden
Commander" was whenever referencing choices made in Awakening. That is
true regardless of what you import.

Can you please elaborate on how you can 100% confirm your statement as it mention that no where in the post and you seem to be intrepeting DavidSims post to your own ideas.

We know for a fact the game sets the dark ritual flag as active if you import a dead warden.

[Brian Lewis]

@ Last Darkness: sorry, I meant to post a second thread : http://social.biowar...1/index/4700512

The person before Sims (Harutes) that a different thread mentioned this and I think I found it. Also, on the thread: http://social.biowar...1/index/5240941 Mary Kirby said that the game checks to see if the DR was performed and who killed the archdemon. Sorry it took so long, I"m still new to the forums and don't know how to modify posts.

[Last Darkness]

Brian Lewis wrote...

@ Last Darkness: sorry, I meant to post a second thread : http://social.biowar...1/index/4700512

The person before Sims (Harutes) that a different thread mentioned this and I think I found it. Also, on the thread: http://social.biowar...1/index/5240941 Mary Kirby said that the game checks to see if the DR was performed and who killed the archdemon. Sorry it took so long, I"m still new to the forums and don't know how to modify posts.

No Worries Mate

Mary Kirby wrote...

Yes, you can import a Sacrifice save.
We can check to see if the dark ritual was performed, and we can check
to see who killed the archdemon. No ritual, and the player killed the
archdemon = sacrifice.

Unfortunetly she is refering to a Origins to Dragon Age 2 save. Not a Ressurected Warden to Awakening to DA2.
The varibles are complicated because there is no "Dead Warden" Plot Flag as stated. This gets over written(RetCon) in a import into Awakening by "Dark Ritual Performed" flag.

Bioware really did create problems for many people because they couldnt import their warden as a new orlesian warden but keep all their actions in Origins intact. I also understand why they did it and if you play Mass Effect 2 you will see Biowares stance on the issue. If the main character is dead, they stay dead. In Mass Effect 2 if Shepard dies you can not import your game into ME3. Theres consequences for your actions.

[AbsoluteApril]

Last Darkness wrote...

AbsoluteApril wrote...

Last Darkness wrote...

Of course this also removes the plot line involving the God-Baby in a later Dragonage title, and im sure makes the DLC "Witch Hunt" strange and unusual.

hmm now I am curious to do the DR and see how Witch Hunt plays out differently.

Its much easier and WH goes nicer if your Warden is in love with Morrigan. Its alot better on PC with the morrigan dialog patch.

I'm running this now as you suggest, male dalish elf did the DR and romanced Morrigan, just finishing awakenings and then on to Witch Hunt, should be done either tonight or tomorrow. No patches for me, only xbox


my first mage elf refused the DR (alistair did the US) and she let Morrigan go through the mirror

[Last Darkness]

AbsoluteApril wrote...

Last Darkness wrote...

AbsoluteApril wrote...

Last Darkness wrote...

Of course this also removes the plot line involving the God-Baby in a later Dragonage title, and im sure makes the DLC "Witch Hunt" strange and unusual.

hmm now I am curious to do the DR and see how Witch Hunt plays out differently.

Its much easier and WH goes nicer if your Warden is in love with Morrigan. Its alot better on PC with the morrigan dialog patch.

I'm running this now as you suggest, male dalish elf did the DR and romanced Morrigan, just finishing awakenings and then on to Witch Hunt, should be done either tonight or tomorrow. No patches for me, only xbox


my first mage elf refused the DR (alistair did the US) and she let Morrigan go through the mirror

It certainly has a greater meaning if the Warden and Morrigan are lovers of course. But still theres perfectly viable options for those Wardens who are even just friends with Morrigan.

[Tryynity]

My Warden & Morrigan were good friends - I didnt do the DR I gave Loghain the chance to reedeem his actions because I believed he wasnt inherently evil - just got off track because he was so patriotic plus he had that butt monkey Howe in his ear and I believe corrupting his decisions similar to Wormtongue in LotR

I cried at the end of Witch Hunt I admit it - it was so touching .

I have to re-run it though - coz I was nekkid the entire time (didnt loot anything to wear *facepalm*

A tip - dont import a character wearing mod armour LOL its too funny though.

I used to do PermaDeath dungeon runs in Dungeons and Dragons Online all the time for a rush.

This was not so much - even without armour -then could hardly damage me - I just soooo ridiculously awesome .... even without my right hand man *sighs*

Modifié par Tryynity, 31 août 2011 - 03:40 .

[Last Darkness]

Tryynity wrote...

My Warden & Morrigan were good friends - I didnt do the DR I gave Loghain the chance to reedeem his actions because I believed he wasnt inherently evil - just got off track because he was so patriotic plus he had that butt monkey Howe in his ear and I believe corrupting his decisions similar to Wormtongue in LotR

I cried at the end of Witch Hunt I admit it - it was so touching .

I have to re-run it though - coz I was nekkid the entire time (didnt loot anything to wear *facepalm*

A tip - dont import a character wearing mod armour LOL its too funny though.

I used to do PermaDeath dungeon runs in Dungeons and Dragons Online all the time for a rush.

This was not so much - even without armour -then could hardly damage me - I just soooo ridiculously awesome .... even without my right hand man *sighs*

I find either doing the Dark Ritual or letting Alistair or Lohgain do the Ultimate Sacrifice sit best with me.
Ultimate sacrifice Lohgain is probably one of the better endings, especialy if you have Hardened Alistair and Anora ruleing together.

Lohgain and Anora are pretty deeply in the wrong and oblivious about the threat the Blight is and too concerned with personal matters and politics. This is abundantly clear when Denerim is under Darkspawn siege and will be remembered.
Of course the same can be said of many rulers and politcians. Real or Imagined.

[Tryynity]

I re-did my ending - DR - Alistair King - Loghain Slain - Anora in prison. Using Loghain bugged my Dalish Wedding I think - coz the option to kiss him at the gates came up * coughs - splutters - gags * ... and I didnt like that ending - even though I thought the chance of him to redeem himself was fitting for a war hero who had been misguided I believed by Howe the real culprit.

Also the Witch Hunt ending is better now - I felt terrible after talking to Morrigan and learning what my refusal did.

I too like so many others had trouble trusting Morrigan's intent for the child and I feared it would be worse for the world in general.

Im glad though with the ending I have now

[Tryynity]

 *double post* damn it !

Modifié par Tryynity, 04 septembre 2011 - 12:22 .

[Last Darkness]

Tryynity wrote...

I re-did my ending - DR - Alistair King - Loghain Slain - Anora in prison. Using Loghain bugged my Dalish Wedding I think - coz the option to kiss him at the gates came up * coughs - splutters - gags * ... and I didnt like that ending - even though I thought the chance of him to redeem himself was fitting for a war hero who had been misguided I believed by Howe the real culprit.

Also the Witch Hunt ending is better now - I felt terrible after talking to Morrigan and learning what my refusal did.

I too like so many others had trouble trusting Morrigan's intent for the child and I feared it would be worse for the world in general.

Im glad though with the ending I have now

Good setup, glad it made more sense to you.


I still question how you can force a man to sit on throne who regularly says he dosnt want that life and is known to let others lead instead of him plus has no political or kingdom giverning skills, Kill the man who is pretty much single handedly responisble for freeing ferelden from being enslaved by Orlais amoung other greta achivements for the country like a common criminal infront of the entire assemlbed Banns and his daughter. Then Emprison the only person who was holding fereldens political position together for so long and had any real skill in the court plus was completly innocent of the events that transpired and was supporting the fight aginst the Blight.

There isnt exactly a happy ending for this game, you have to make sacrifices for what you think is right or your ambitions. Its hard to get the best results for everyone in that scanario and the bets results for Ferelden as well.
Your choices have consequnces and appearnetly in DA3 we are going to feel them.