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[thedistortedchild]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
 Let me equip my followers with whatever I want, but also populate the world with a few armors specific to each follower (like you did with their upgrades in DAII).

Seconded! I prefer choices. I'd also rather companions have a casual look and a battle look. 

[SmokePants]

I prefer unique looks for companions, but I have to admit, I missed being able to put armor on characters in Dragon Age 2 more than I did in Mass Effect 2.

That's because loot is so much more integral to DA. You get all this cool stuff that you have to sell off, because if Hawke can't use it, it's trash. And the mountain of generic and boring accessories was really a chore to sift through and distribute.

If we could have some personal militia of NPC's (not companions) that we could equip for some major battles, it would solve my issue of redistributing armor sets that I spent hours accumulating and being able to see them on other characters. That would scratch that itch, while allowing the actual companion characters to have unique body proportions and long hairstyles.

Modifié par SmokePants, 04 août 2011 - 07:50 .

[ademska]

since the strength of bioware games, especially dragon age, is in its companions, i would be extremely disappointed if we went back to the origins system of full customization. allowing players to determine the appearance and weapon set of the companions detracts from characterization for all the reasons people upthread have said so eloquently, and that very characterization is what keeps me over the moon about da2.

i'm sure there's a compromise to be reached, however. maybe the we could allow small aesthetic adjustments me2!shepard-style that have significant effects on combat and stats? obviously, it couldn't be as detailed and diverse as the N7 armor, but maybe visual changes could be inventively re-used. that way castmates can retain the visual individuality that informs their characters while allowing for tactical structuring.

and like i said above, i'll be mildly appalled if we're allowed to chose their weapon styles for them. isabela's explicitly-written aversion to bows aside, how different a character would fenris seem if he could sword-n-board? so much about him is immediately implied just by looking at his choice of weapon. let's not go that route, please.

[ImoenBaby]

I really liked equipment that contributed to character identity, like Bianca, Asala, and Seeker’s Amulet. While each and every trinket shouldn’t have a mysterious backstory, the few that do are terrific additions to the narrative.

I also really like the idea of multiple unique armours. This would mean more variety while retaining each companion’s individuality.

Modifié par ImoenBaby, 04 août 2011 - 08:00 .

[Ginkeh]

I liked the way it worked in DA2.
Companions are companions and not PC`s, they should chose their own looks. It made them feel more real to me, I don`t go around telling my friends what to wear IRL either.

What I would like to see is enchantment slots in their armor, so you can customize their stats more.
Take Aveline, want her to tank or dps? Chose enchantments that fit what role you want her to have.
Defense, armor, and Const, or Str, crit, attack speed. Your choice.

Edit:

Also:

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Useful thread is useful.

I honestly can`t tell what this is supposed to mean, are you being sarcastic? 
If so, seems a bit, errh, weird for a dev to make a snide comment to a fan like that. I can`t see anything wrong in discussing this in a thread of it`s own. 

I think I`m going to report you for trolling! 

Modifié par Ginkeh, 04 août 2011 - 08:19 .

[Quinnzel]

Leave companion armours fixed, but offer us more choices. Or offer small visual updates to the armours/ variant colours that we can purchase. I buy Isabela a hood/head slot item, add a wee cowl to the back of her armor (she doesn't need to wear it up). Say I find Wesleys Templar armor on some darspawn, let me give it to Aveline, which could replace or add to her guard captain outfit design. I find myself drawing parallel with the multiplayer characters in Assasins Creed: Brotherhood, that as you level (which could just be a shopkeeper purchase or loot find) you can upgrade your Assasins colours and add a wee cloak here, a face mask here etc. By level 50, you can still tell the Harlequin is the Harlequin, he just has added finery and different colours at his disposal.

[Droma]

make a good compromise between the da:o, da2 and me2 method of comp. armors, to be specific:

- make something like 3 fixed armors per comp (maybe 1 special li outfit, and 2 normal outfits, they should all look different, like let's say what you did with merrill in da2), but imo they should be changeable any time (like in me2)
- let people change the colors of the clothes (like in me2 with sheppards armor). shouldn't be soo much of a problem in implementing and imo it is a good way to give people some choices
- improve the upgrade system (that is actually the hardest part). the rune system in da2 is good but the problem is there are too less runes. so add a rune (or 2/3 in stronger versions) for every stat that an armor can have in the game (so also make some, increase efficency of blood magic runes, or strength +2 runes and so on). skip the ingrident and rune creation part (you can still make that for potions/traps (if they are back in da3)/poisons) and let us buy the runes in shops/find us. you could make the slots per armor fixxed (let`s say 3-4) or you could make the armor upgrade system from da2 again.


so that are my ideas of how to handle the comp. armors.

Modifié par Droma, 04 août 2011 - 08:28 .

[Eldred]

Like Dragon Age Origins, with an option to equip something else but with a unique look like Morigan robes for example. I never ended up changing her look, I never had Wynne wear anything other than a Circle Robe either it just did not fit her.

I made sure I used as much diversity in looks on my characters though to make sure they all did not look alike, this was helped by downloading mods of armor.

But maybe do something like Diablo 3 seems to be doing, armor pieces look different depending on the class using them. So for a Bioware game I'd say it would be neat that each lets say heavy armor of smt smt looks different on the character depending on thier personality or style. Practical, fancy, rough ... etc. I think that could be really appealing.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I'm with the apparent majority here - I like the DA2 system of unique-looking armors, but I want more customisation within that. Visual more than tactical, in my case. It would have been nice to see more companions change their look over time (as Aveline does, as she joins the guard and gets her promotion to captain.)

I agree that something needs to be done about the number of armour pieces you find and can never use because they belong to the other two classes. Not sure what the solution is there, other than restricting the armour you find to the player's class? Maybe mage characters only loot robes and warrior characters only loot heavier gear. In which case, I'd probably have fewer random pieces of armour in the game.

[TheJediSaint]

Anarya wrote...

TheJediSaint wrote...

I was thinking that perhaps as the player can unlock armor options for companions through increasing their friendship/rivalry scores and completing their personal quests. So essentially, the look of a particular companions will reflect the relationship that they have with the player character.

That...is actually a really interesting idea. How would you handle stat customization for companions in that system?

Perhaps the armor options could be evolving like the key in Legacy? Or would each unlock just be a different piece of armor that you could mix and match?

My thought was that the the frienship and rivarly paths who have unique looking and uniquely stated armor pieces or armor sets.  So for a generic warrior companion, high frienship unlocks armor with high defensive stats and a more robust appearance.  While rivarly would unlock armor with more offensive stats and a more aggressive appearance. 

[Firky]

I didn't mind DAII's fixed armour companions too much (because I was busy having fun.)

I really couldn't care less how followers look, though. I'm more interested in finding cool armour and figuring out on whom it works best. Like, do you have some fire resistant plate you might pop in storage until you're off to fight the dragon? Who gets the fire resistant plate if you are taking 2 tanks? Or, do you have roguey gloves which give a boost to specifically picking locks? Is there some really special item, like an ankheg shell from BGII, that you can get made into a one-off item for someone? Oh, oh, and something cursed that you can't remove after you equip it. *evil laugh*

(Of course, in the BG days, it didn't matter what the followers looked like, because they were so tiny. They just kind of vaguelly changed colour when you switched armour pieces around.)

But, I don't like the idea of having a few different, but fixed, armours for each follower because that sounds like I should then be making my choice aesthetically, instead of based on stats etc. Could you make all the rogue armour look really roguey, the plate look really platey, the robes really robey? I don't know. (I also don't really like the idea of upgrading outfits with runes, or stat boosters either. But I guess I just like it being the actual armour itsself that is special, not how it looks.)

[Alfa Kilo]

I would like a system for companion armors in similar to the customisable (spelling?) Shepard's armor in ME2.

[Zanallen]

I would like to see four or five unique armors per companion along with various "upgrades" that can be switched around. The upgrades would augment stats and resistances. For example, say the armor you have on a companion has three upgrade slots and you know you will be fighting a lot of mages. You could slot in a magical resist upgrade, maybe a fire resist upgrade and a basic defensive upgrade. Once past the mages, you could switch out an upgrade for a different one to match whatever encounters you are up again.It would allow for customization and unique appearances for your companions.

[Persephone]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Useful thread is useful.

LINK IN MY SIG.

Seriously, my mod, Diversified Follower Armors, is what I'd like to see for DAIII. Let me equip my followers with whatever I want, but also populate the world with a few armors specific to each follower (like you did with their upgrades in DAII).

The talented modder above me got it right IMHO. Combining several things: Unique, upgrading follower equipment that can be aquired/quested for during the game. And the standard ability to dress my tank in stats appropriate plate, my mages in stats appropriate robes/apostate disguises OR, if they are Arcane Warriors, unlock warrior equipment for them. I'm one of those players who never put Morri/Wynne in heavy armor in DAO because RP wise it made little sense to me.

Then there are mods like Universal Dye Kit and Winter's Forge that may be worth a look at when it comes to enhancing the equipment system for future DA installments.

My 2 cents.

[Sylvianus]

They may have  unique look. But DO NOT stop us from removing them. I do not see the relevance to force us to keep them. We can always learn their tastes at the beginning with their unique clothing, it makes no difference.

Thank you not decide for the players, choice choice, choice, repeat after me. Thank you for letting players choose in an area under their control fields. That is us who think for themselves when they are in combat, it is a satisfaction for the player to see his team dressed as he pleases, fight with a wide range of different items/armor that he has chosen. Never bad and so limited system again as in DA2.

However, the compromise proposed by the OP is very interesting. I can agree with that.

  Thys system in DA2 certainly hasn't solved the problem of DAO in this area, it made ​​it worse.

I CAN'T EVEN choose the first clothes for Merril after she became my LI. What the hell... She looks so stupid and naive with this white clothes.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 août 2011 - 09:44 .

[Sylvianus]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Players choose the best gear/weapons for their character so that they can face the challenges in the game and adapt to overcome them. Same goes for the party, however the Companions lack the ability to think, let alone have the capability of understanding how a stat benefits from an item or how an ability even works or what role to play. Which leaves this up to the player to gear the companions to the best of his/her ability using the weapons and gears available from the game.

Stop taking choices away from the players, and create several styles of armor instead of cutting and pasting the ones you have now.

Thank you.

[Spell Singer]

I don't have any real problem with the companions having their own look but keeping it for 10 years when Hawke goes through clothes left and right is neither logical nor appealing. I don't have a problem with the system in DA:O where you could equip your characters with the armour and weapons of choice, but I also don't really object to the way it is done in DA2.

What I would like to see is a different outfit for each Act. And I would like to see the outfit change as we find the various companion armour upgrades, it would also be nice but not necessary if we had more flexibility in what upgrade to give to the character. Also balancing them out should be looked at more seriously. A +2% critical chance increase is not worth putting on a specific companion armour compared to the other upgrades.

I would rather have the companions have unique looks though. That makes them more real to me. The only trouble I have with the companion armour system in DA2 is that it is relatively fixed, so Fenris for example is somewhat deficient in armour for the role he needs to fulfil.

I am not a fan of the way the overall system limits weapon choices. I am also not a fan of the extreme built in obscelence of the gear or the fact you can't see what it will look like till you buy it and equip it, and then it is too late to not buy it because the look makes you ill.

I'm happy with the way it is done in DA2 but would like more options for improvement for each character plus more variety in the look of the clothes over time.

[Sylvianus]

And we must have things really different to offer, which can keep in the same time if the dev want, the style of the character.

Fenris. Why does he always keep bare feet ? Another armor with boots or something that would come from dalatians to equip him could be cool.

Isabella ? Why must she always be scantily clad ?She's a pirate ! She wore a suit of armor in DAO. She ought to have one in DA2. Then people do not necessarily want to have always held that have no pants if she has already one. Isabela can be also sexy and comfortable with clothes covered. Something different.

Instead, they just add her a small item in her dress, almost exactly the same look. Obviously she doesn't like only one type of garment, that it  just would change slightly.

Anders, well they changed the color...

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 août 2011 - 10:30 .

[t0mm06]

i was thinking about this the other day, and i had the idea, what if each companion had maybe 2-3 armours to choose from a light, medium and heavy, but it was catered to who they were, like a mage heavy armour still wouldnt be to bulky but would have metal plate on it, and a warriors light would be maybe something like a hard leather chest piece with small shoulder pads, and stuff like that. BUT you can still upgrade it like u can in DA2 but maybe with little cosmetic changes. like the addition of a elbow pad, or like you start with something similar to the seeker armour (for example) for a warrior., then after and upgrade or two you get the metal shoulders that cassandra has on hers.
what do people think of that idea?

[Xewaka]

Were it my choice, I would have full equip customization, from a slotting perspective. Looks aren't as important as the flexibility in building companions, and as a matter of fact, I believe that if a restricted look is necessary to stablish a companion identity, then his identity wasn't strong enough to begin with. The opportunity and customization costs that came attached to the unique looks are not worth the price. It reduces flexibility in party building and compostion.
However, statistics need not be attached to the looks. Let me have full access to the character sheet, mess with it, and completely play with the class the character is, with full benefits. You can have the look unchanging, or toggle "unique companion looks" it in style of the helmet toggle. Just don't destroy the player ability to play with the companions.
Building the characters is half the fun, don't rob us from it.

[culletron1]

I think a compromise is a good shout. But there should be plenty options for your followers - Not just one standard option...

How about if each companion had a way to "decorate" the generic armour you give them with their own style? Similar to the way Aveline had that scarf thing around her neck to differentiate her armour from the regular guards armour

[Cutlasskiwi]

Anarya wrote...

I happen to feel really strongly about our companions having their own looks. Sure it was kinda nice to be able to dress your party any way you wanted to in Origins, but I hated how everyone ended up looking the same. Of course, I'm a very highly visually oriented person and also highly attuned to costume so I'm naturally going to be biased toward unique looks, but I can't be the only one who liked the visually distinct costumes in DA2. That said, companions wearing the exact same outfit for an entire decade was also kind of silly.

What I'd like to see in DA3 is a compromise. Make companions' armor unique, but give us a selection of unique armors for each character and let us choose which one to equip. This could be done by keeping the same upgrade system that DA2 had, but having each upgrade alter the armor's appearance, or we could have sets of lootable armor that display differently on each character but have the same name and stats. I'd be willing to suspend disbelief for magical changing armor, I mean in Origins armor already magically adjusted to fit all 4 races and both genders, it isn't too much of a stretch. That way you could fiddle with armor all you wanted, but each character would still have a distinct design language. There might be a better way to implement this kind of compromise but I've only given it a few minutes of thought at this point.

What do you want to see? A complete rollback to Origins' system? Keep DA2's system? Some kind of third option, or do you not care at all?

I agree as I'm one who preferred companions having a unique look over DAO's system. I always kept Morrigan in her robes because putting something else on her felt wrong and out of character.

I would not mind to have more unique outfits to pick from, for me that would be the optimal system. It could be tied to personal quests or dependent on how they are leveled up, I don't know. I just want them to keep the unique looks.  

[NErWOnek]

thank lord for that mod that allows people to dress the whole party in DA2, If I remember well it was:http://dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=2646

Awesome mod btw

I hope that bioware won't go even more pokemon with dragon age 3.

[Bathead]

I like some of these ideas. The OP's basic premise is a good one.