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[DahliaLynn]

Beerfish wrote...

One thing I did really like a lot from Legacy were the viewpoint moments where you could click, and get the cutscene of the view and in many cases see what was happening across a bridge or chasm (monsters moving, door being magically opened by your opponent.)

Oh I loved those!
Also want to add how when walking into one of the rooms, the scene with the Dwarf (Varrick's old friend) running up and the subsequent scenes were really beautifully done and did not take away from control whatsoever. It felt natural and justified the following conversation. 

Modifié par DahliaLynn, 04 août 2011 - 12:47 .

[whykikyouwhy]

Just off the top of my head;

1. Point of view and character placement. There were some cutscenes where characters were supposed to be looking directly at other characters and the angle was off. Most notable, Fenris in Bitter Pill when questioning Orana. He asks her if she was hurt, and he is facing away from her. That sort of thing made me lose my immersion.

2. I'll owe you some comments on this when I can properly ponder.

3. Hightown and Lowtown needed more shoppers. No one really stood at the stalls and looked to be shopping, or interacting with the waving vendors. So too, aside from a few areas like the Chantry Courtyard, citizens just seemed to be standing around chatting. Seemed like a lot of idle time in a bustling city...so I would like to see more thriving populas sort of activity, and not so much of a static state.

I may post more later. Many thanks for the opportunity to provide my feedback/suggestions/wishlist.

[Sister Helen]

Regarding ambient storytelling:

With Legacy, the insertion of Viewpoints was a very nice touch. There wasn't a lot of ambient opportunities in that scenario, based on the location, and the Viewpoints added another dimension to the players experience.

With DA2, it was when things were MISSING that was more jarring.

For example: From DAO, there was always cats and dogs zipping about in Denerim; in Kirkwall, there were no cats to be seen (though Anders mentions why at one point, there is a later walkabout conversation between Anders and Merril that implies that there are cats in Kirkwall that can be adopted, rather than eaten.)

[Sister Helen]

Suggestions: It would have been nice to see kids playing tag, some folks dicing in a corner, a drunk or two singing outside of the tavern, the guards doing some training with Hawke's mabari hound (it could have been a "running joke" to see the dog chasing guards through the different zones) or some dancing/torch singing in the brothel.

I know it's not ambient cinematics, per se, but I would have liked to see the weekly poker game at Fenris's, the card games at the tavern that the dog was invited to, and how Aveline trained her guards with drills (and mabari). Even if Hawke could have only seen them at a distance, it would have been nice.

[Peachz]

My only complaint is this, my Hawke was very handsome in "doll mode" like my warden but when the cinematic started he would start throwing around these crazy faces that were so unattractive and irrelevant to the way my sarcastic Hawke would react to situations it kinda became an annoyance...just my two bits.

ALSO: As far as the final cinematic between Hawke and Anders (Romance) there was no kiss, it just seemed like Anders was still being depressive.

[Sister Helen]

Odd. I don't remember a final cinematic with Anders in Legacy. I'll have to replay the final boss again to check it out. ... But the optional boss battle was bugged on my playthrough (didn't do the mid-battle change, died in it's original form with no cut scene), so it may be my game wasn't working properly.

[Peachz]

Sister Helen wrote...

Odd. I don't remember a final cinematic with Anders in Legacy. I'll have to replay the final boss again to check it out. ... But the optional boss battle was bugged on my playthrough (didn't do the mid-battle change, died in it's original form with no cut scene), so it may be my game wasn't working properly.

After finding the dumat symbol (on corph) anders questions about if mages really did cause the blights through the magisters etc.  I was hoping a kiss from him seeing as how we did not get a *final* kiss during the mage vs templar friendship romance path. It just seemed a tad but unfair that all other romances ,besides sebastian, (but does he even count?) got that final pucker-up moment 

[Jamie9]

Okay, I like this topic.

1. I think the expressions were good for the most part, if you chose diplomatic, Hawke had a, well, diplomatic face. If you chose sarcastic, he had a sly smile, if you chose aggressive he frowned. Worked as it should. The only time that comes to mind where it was off, was when I wanted the Gem of Keroshek from Charade, I didn't think Gamlen would take care of her, so I didn't want to get her hopes up, but my Hawke acts like a douche about it. Only time though so excusable.

2. Things we want to see more of? Viewpoints were amazing! Really showed off the environments and the close-ups on the oncoming monsters or other characters in the background was both creative and pleasing on the eye. I kind of wished the viewpoints would automatically go off though, in case you mistakenly missed one (I didn't, it's just if a whole game included them, I might).

3. BioWare has always been known for having fairly static environments - this does not bother me personally because I fill the world with my imagination! If it has a great story, you are able to immerse yourself regardless. An example of great fluid ambient storytelling was in Act 1, however, when a crowd gathers around a guy selling 'a pouch of the Sacred Ashes of Andraste'. A guard then disperses the crowd when she realizes that he is a fake. More of that would be appreciated.

One other piece of cinematic storytelling that was used in KOTOR and Dragon Age: Origins is where you see the antagonist for a cinematic, in KOTOR you got some menacing scenes of Darth Malak, in Origins it was Teryn Loghain. Both of these were great and made me feel like the antagonist wasn't just waiting for me to kill them, but was active. Some scenes with Meredith and Orsino, WITHOUT Hawke could have added much to the menace of both. Scenes with mages and templars for examples.

That was fun. Good topic.

[Sepewrath]

Something I enjoyed from the main game, is the party member introductions. Seeing them in their element as opposed to them just walking up and having a conversation. Isabela's introduction is one of my favorite scenes in the game, but all the party member introductions were great. I know that ultimately depends on the writing team, but just a note, its something I really enjoyed.

[macrocarl]

Great topic! I've posted graphic stuff else where but I'll try and get a list going off the top of my head:
Of weapons and cut scenes:
Character weapons are floating off their back from certain angles looks really weirdbad. I can sort of see a mage staff being kind of floaty (because it's magic?) but a floaty 2 handed sword etc. looks really jarring.. The only one weapon set that doesn't look floaty is sword and shield because the sword is shielded from our eyes. By the shield. That specific comb over works for me! Don't know how you'd solve that for the other weapons though.
Speaking of cut scenes, there are some in Legacy where my sword and shield Hawke is only carrying a sword. And then it cuts back and he has a shield again. Also, scenes when characters go to sit. Weapons disappear and reappear randomly. Having them on when sitting causes crazy clipping issues but either have them automatically off for cut scenes or show them taking some stuff off and then have them sit would be preferred.
Characters pass each other stuff a lot where it's below the screen view. Like coins, found pantaloons, memos etc. It'd be nice to see more than their shoulders shifting when transactions between characters are made.
Of dialog cut scenes:
There are some generic bad guys that wear scarves and turbans and you can only see their eyes. At one point an NPC said, 'I know this man' and I was sitting there like 'How?' He looks like about 50 bajillion mercs and thugs I fought.
Speaking of thugs:
Kirkwall was mainly made up of thugs! And those that weren't thugs were primarily stationary vendors. If the limitations of having X amount of NPC's in an area is capped, please at have the stationary people be, well, less stationary. Waving arms, walking around, banging on stuff, pooping (joke!) etc.
Things that were added to Legacy that I loved:
Characters that ran up ahead and were marked with plot markers and I had to chase them. Awesome.
People waiting for you and walking up to initiate creepy dialog. Awesome again! I know that happened frequently in DA2 but there was a sense of variation in every encounter, be it battles or conversations. Maybe there was a lot of sameness about conversations in the DA2 main quests that made it feel less varied?
Looking out over vistas to initiate out-of-camp dialog with who ever is in your party. Awesome! That's a huge improvement over Awakenings where you have to repeatedly lug different companions with you to the same spot in hopes of getting dialog and cut scenes. Bravozoid! <-Not a real word!
Drank a lot of coffee!
Finally, more cut scenes without Hawke to show other characters doing stuff. It's a story being told by Varric so to have it cut back to him and say 'Well that was all in good Cassandra but meanwhile Flimflam and Bork the Golden General was planning.....'
Thanks for asking us about this stuff.

[jds1bio]

Thanks for creating the topic, a great read so far!

I just played through the opening of DA2 again (from the beginning through meeting Varric), and this entire sequence was very well done.  Even the deaths, and particularly Wesley's firm stance against mages.  And the "I want to be a dragon" controversy is overblown, it's better that you can get Flemeth to react to you differently.

But facial animations and emotion - we need a leap forward here, where the animations can more effectively match the emotion of the scene and the voice acting.  DA2 is still better than most RPGs here, but I think we're ready for the next step.

Someone mentioned this in another thread, but the gamer noticed the relative blandness of the ground when traversing environments with your party, vs. looking up and seeing more features and details like flags, and more animations like smoke, fire, and clouds.  Since you do spend a fair amount of the game with a downward-tiltied viewpoint, perhaps that viewpoint could be filled with more interesting details.  Sadly (perhaps on my account), I didn't notice the actual hanged man in front of the Hanged Man until halfway through my first playthrough.

And the final scenes of DA2 after the final battle - I get that since it was a pyrrhic victory, there wasn't much you could do with it.  But it was yet another downward-tilted view like we had been seeing for almost the entire game.  For someone like Hawke who inspired such a rallying cry, there was no powerful scene like a martyring a la Braveheart, or a scene highlighting the spirit of the companions against the tide of inevitability a la Glory, or even a march out of Kirkwall - I'm not trying to re-write the story, but I'm just looking for a final scene that would have given greater weight to the picture of the companions in Cassandra's book.

And since the inevitable is coming anyway, why not throw us cinematically right into it instead of Varric simply telling us about it?  If anyone remembers the game The Last Express, that game cinematically thew us right into it.  The game essentially has the same ending as DA2 (SPOILERS, but it's a spoiler thread)


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a character overcome by life experiences and circumstances sets off an explosion timed almost perfectly with tensions boiling over in the world, and the main character wins a conflict influenced by a possessed artifact and survives long enough for him and his companions to exit the immediate area while the world falls apart around him.
**


But in The Last Express those last scenes conveyed tension, chaos, and showed the departure of companions whose futures and destinies remain uncertain while the world falls apart around them.  I would have liked to have seen that part of DA2 directly. 

Thanks for reading.

Modifié par jds1bio, 04 août 2011 - 07:34 .

[Giltspur]

I'd like to see you use cinematics to make boss fights that use major characters more interesting.

Basically, the aspiration here is Star Wars.  Are the fights realistic? No!  Would people fighting talk as much as Star Wars characters do?  Probably not.  But all the best fight scenes shift from one locale to another as the duelists talk back and forth whether it's samurai fighting in Hidden Fortress or two swashbuckler types fighting in a movie who's name I can no longer recall.

How do you do that in a game?  Well, there's the Letho scene in Witcher 2 at the end of Act I, one of the coolest duels I've seen in a video game.  You're talking.  You're fighting to x%.  Cinematic.  Stuff is breaking and people are flying.  Okay next stage of fight.  And so on.  

Arishok fight have been cooler with cinematics between phases.  Admittedly DA2 isn't good with one-on-one fights.  But you get the idea.  It's cool to have cinematics introduce "action transitions" between gameplay sequences.

[Brockololly]

JohnEpler wrote...
1) Moments where you felt like control was taken away from you by the cinematics. Were there moments where you felt 'hey, that's not something my Hawke would ever do!' that were not writing related.

I haven't played Legacy myself but watched it on youtube and can say the moment Hawke kicks down the door would have bothered me. Seemed like overkill.

Question though- are the cinematic designers like yourself given free reign to do the actual facial animations in the scenes or do the writers sort of tell you what ones should be associated with certain lines? I haven't played DA2 in a while, but the one Hawke facial expression moment that bugged me was after you meet Isabela and she makes some attempted sexy remark at Hawke, to which Hawke always gives a subtle cocked eyebrow plus smirk. Annoying.

And I guess this goes to Legacy but also Origins as well- it might be somewhat related to writing but I think exacerbated by the cinematics- when the possessed Warden walks past Hawke giving the none too subtle I'M EVIL smirk and Hawke is left standing there like all is well in the world. Same sort of thing with Origins in Morrigan's Dark Ritual cinematic when you let her leave and she gives an evil looking smirk and yet there is nothing your Warden can do but watch her stroll out.

So I guess the lack of a possible reaction by the PC in both those cases (even if it was just an angry shout) is exacerbated by the cinemtics basically rubbing it in the player's face that you're stuck in a non interactive cutscene and can't do a damn thing to try and wipe those smug, evil grins off their faces.

JohnEpler wrote...
2) Things you wanted to see more of.

More seemless transitions between gameplay and cutscenes. Legacy was maybe a little better at this (and most games have this problem not just DA) but its so incredibly jarring when you're zoomed out in battle and you hit a magic point only to have people repositioned or magically appear/disappear once you enter cutscene land.

Pretty sure I've mentioned this before, (and its sort of related to your mention of ambient storytelling below) but an example would be the transitions when going to talk to a companion and they're already talking to somebody in the cutscene. So in gameplay you walk up and see Isabele standing in the same spot she's always standing and yet you click on her only to have your previously zoomed out camera now hugging the ground, with Isabela all of a sudden sitting at a table chatting with Merril who somehow materialized out of thin air.

It would just be neat if there was some way to seemlessly connect the gameplay view with any cinematics.

JohnEpler wrote...
3) Moments where you noticed a lack of/opportunities for ambient storytelling.

*sigh* No, I'm not trying to be a rabble rouser or a troll, but seriously, look at the prologue of The Witcher 2 at Henselt's camp or walk around Flotsam. Fantastic examples abound of having a world which backs up what the narrative is telling you- Foltest's camp has soldiers at drill, massive trebuchets flinging stones at a castle, soldiers relaxing playing dice poker- its showing AND telling. Same with Flotsam- you've got a butcher who has a daily routine, goofy kids wearing pots on their head that will follow Geralt around, people out fishing or gathering stuff in the forest and so forth.

In DA2, everything just felt very stiff- even when civilians were walking around, it was often entirely aimlessly. To the extent that you'd have a City Watch guy seemingly patrolling but then you'd watch a little more and see he was walking around in a tight little quadrant bouncing off other people like a ping pong ball. And all the people who just stand in the same spot over 10 years. Or how most merchants don't even move their mouths or just cut straight to the inventory.

Thats ignoring the stuff mentioned most often like Templars not reacting to Mage/Blood Mage Hawke or how Kirkwall is supposedly over crowded yet once inside feels desolate and empty. I think in that later case some of the blame would go to Kirkwall's overly tidy and clean aesthetic too- the more sparse art style made Kirkwall feel rather dead and not lived in, compared to the grime and activity of a place like Flotsam.

Modifié par Brockololly, 04 août 2011 - 09:27 .

[Sister Helen]

@ Peachz: Thanks for the description of the end bit with Anders! I did get it after all, so that's a bit of a relief. It means I can work on my second playthrough with a different toon.

[Harid]

Mo-Cap your cinematics. Your animations are embarrassing in this day and age, and given how focused you are on your cinematics, it makes them even more grating to sit through.

[Faust1979]

 I love the cinematics in Bioware games it makes me feel like I'm watching a movie in control of because I hope they don't get taken out.  They could be more interactive though maybe if we could make quick decisions during certain scenes that would let the story flow in certain directions 

[Morroian]

JohnEpler wrote...

3) Moments where you noticed a lack of/opportunities for ambient storytelling. What's ambient storytelling? Glad you ask! It's those times where stuff happens around you while you're walking around, and it helps tell the story. Clear as mud. More specifically, it's those little touches like when you see guards patrolling on a wall, or a smith in a forge moving from his anvil and back again. This is something we'd like to push more in the future, and examples where you guys thought to yourself 'hey, why is X not happening?' would be useful. This last point is a tricky one - engine limitations exist. But still. That's our problem, not yours.

The lack of reactivety in the environment to your actions was an issue whether its civilians wandering blithely through the middle of a fight or the lack of reaction to Hawke using blood magic. Kirkwall also could have done with more crowds, it wans't empty like some claim but it definitely didn't feel like a huge city.

[Morroian]

Kulyok wrote...

- Hawke is looking for her kidnapped mother and says "Mother is down there. WITH HIM!" - Hawke's voice reflects true suffering, and that's not my protagonist, either. When you display strong emotions that Hawke doesn't feel(and no dialogue choices, either), it doesn't seem real - not to me, at least.

I dunno how they would cater to all players with something like this. I like the emotional reactions from Hawke, the lack of emotion in Shepard whether male of female was 1 thing I  disliked in ME.

[LT123]

Sister Helen wrote...

Disclaimer:  I've only played through Legacy once (so far), so my experience is limited.  I played through with Anders (LI) in the party, postgame save. The Hawke character was predominantly "diplomat" personality, with some snark.

1) a)  With respect to cinematics that threw me, as a player, out of the game, in a bad way: There are at least two scenes where Anders begins to lose control and begs for help from Hawke ("his love").  Hawke just stands there and looks a bit bored; in the latter one, he stands a bit to the side, and the point of view is at Anders, looking up at Hawke.  It felt disconnected.

Based on the writing of DA2 (and how the interaction between diplomat Hawke and Anders as LI in that game), it felt bizarre Hawke would stand several feet away, at a distance, from a person with whom he/she was in a touchy-feely-kissy relationship. 

I thought, "Are you KIDDING me? You can't even touch the guy on the shoulder or something? Lame."

  With respect to cinematics that threw me, as a player, out of the game, in a good way:  There's a moment before Hawke enters the Carta area, where he and Varric joke about it all being a big mistake on the Carta's part to target Hawke, they really meant to target Locke.  Then Warden Carver jumps in with a snide remark about Hawke, and there's this long.... silent.... glance exchanged between Hawke and Varric, that pretty much says, "Oh, can you believe this guy?!" 

I thought, "Oh that is just AWESOME!" jumped up out of my chair and did a fist pump.  (I can't stand Carver.)

... I guess it just means that cinematics chuck you out of the immersion when the player has very defined feelings about a character... This post is probably not what you were looking for as feedback, Mr. Epler.  Apologies.

The bolded part ties in with ImoenBaby's earlier post about "inappropriately neutral" cinematics, and yes, I was also thrown off by Hawke's blank face during the scene where Anders freaks out. I'm not sure what the solution is, but as it is, it doesn't really work for a Hawke who is romancing or friendly with Anders. I did like the new camera angles in the scene-especially the shot of Anders getting up afterwards as the blue cracks vanish.

Cinematic bits I enjoyed in Legacy included: Hawke and Varric glancing at each other after Carver's attempt at a joke, Carver and Hawke's staredown after finishing the Malcolm's Will quest, and the final scene with the surviving sibling, Gamlen, and the echo of Leandra.

And I have no idea who came up with the "Carver jig," but I can't wait to see that in my own Legacy playthrough instead of just seeing it on YouTube. That is golden.

The Anders kiss scene was amazing, and the romance scenes in general were a vast improvement from Origins. There's a great moment in Merrill's scene right after she says, "Here in Hightown?...With an elf?" The camera cuts to Hawke (male, in my case), who just smiles in a "You know it!" sort of way, which I thought was brilliant, especially for my sarcastic Hawke. I also liked Hawke running his hand up and down Merrill's arm.

The character introductions in DA2 were fantastic and also great examples of showing and not telling. Anders' and Isabela's scenes are particularly effective for those who played Origins and Awakening, because they show just how much those two characters have or have not changed.

Ever since I watched Nathaniel hug Delilah in Awakening, I have wished for the option to hug companions. I'm not sure if it's feasible to be able to hug them at any time or place the player wants,- but it would be nice to, for example, have the opportunity to hug Merrill after the Keeper dies.

I miss the deathblows from Origins, but am glad the final deathblow in Legacy takes different weapons into account. I can't wait to see what the archery one looks like. Also, the new mage deathblow for ogres is pretty sweet.

I really like the companions' facial expressions. Kudos to whoever worked on Anders-it seems like he has a ton of different expressions.

[nitefyre410]

Something I just thought of and this is  something that has bugged across  both DA:O  DA 2 and it is something that I would like to see Bioware(at least in my eyes) in prove on.    First in presenation  and  video game is not a book there is visual aspect to this and honestly I was not wowed visual by DA:O or DA 2.   


In DA:O  i would have loved to have gone back to the remains of Lorthering that would have given  a  the player visual of how destructice   blight could be.   Burnt down buildings, bodies everywhere -  she the characters responded  Lieana  at the remains of the Chantry etc,etc. Something like the would really drove home just how bad a blight is and connected the player to the Story.  Shown the  Warden and Alasitar just  what they are fighting against. Its one thing to see the remains of a battlefield is another to see the remains of a Town.    DA  2   seeing Hawk and sibling working jobs that are not on the up and up.  Act 1  durning that times skip seeing events that set the tone for issues with Qunari. Act 3 seeing  the breaking down of Mage Templar relations durning those three years.   

a example would look at what  Square is doing with just the promotions for Deus Ex.  The mechanics and gameplay I know Bioware is going  fix  but the delivery is important. ME team seems to have gotten it -  so I know the DA team  by DA  3 hits we get it.  

[sevalaricgirl]

Brockololly, I agree with all of your points. I have the redesigned mod and even though the city is now great, there are few people. I'd like to see the bustle of people. Other games do it. DA2 was obviously a rushed job, Legacy was better, but also want to see a connection between action and cut scene. I think the most glaring is when you have someone in your party and go to talk to that someone and they are in a completely different place. DAO got that right. DA2 got it wrong. If you talk to Alistair in DAO, he is where he was. I always have Varrick in my party and when you click on him, he's not standing next to you, he's in his room. Very glaring. That needs major work.

I just thought of this since it's fresh in my mind.  When I had Isabela and Fenris in my party and went to talk to Fenris, Isabela was there talking to Fenris about tax collectors.  Go back to the DAO way of talking to people in your group.  It was much better.  They should only be in their "spots" when they aren't in your party.  I'm sure the game knows who's in your party.  It should reflect that.

One other thing, if the member is in your party, have him/her walk away when at their home base.  That would make the transition a little smoother but really I think the whole everyone in their environment only worked when Hawke didn't have them in her party.  Go back to the DAO way.  It was much better. 

Modifié par sevalaricgirl, 05 août 2011 - 10:22 .

[Sister Helen]

I loved the non-plot cut scenes in DA2 - exs. Isabela and Fenris talking about tax collectors, seeing Anders for the first time, Anders joking with Varric, and many more - it really added to the feeling that Hawke's buddies had lives of their own and actually interacted with each other. 
It gave DA2 a unique feel, very different from DAO and ME1 and ME2, where the Warden's companions and Shepard's squad did not interact with each other or with the support staff (the vendors in camp for DAO and the Normandy's crew in ME1 and ME2).  

In particular, it felt awkward in DAO that the companions could bicker and flirt and tease each other when walking around the world with the Warden, but ignored each other in camp (with the exception of Leilana's Song and talking to the dog). 

More cut scenes, please!

[Xewaka]

Drat. Wrong topic, gotta find the delete button.

Modifié par Xewaka, 05 août 2011 - 11:06 .

[aries1001]

I'm not sure this is cinematic storytelling at all, but sometimes my characters, in combar, runs away from the enemy they're supposed to attack, swinging their swords at this air e.g. imaginary enemies or monsters. As annoying as this may be, it also takes me out of the immersiveness of the game, at least in combat.

As for ambient storytelling, do you mean things like the scenery e.g. birds flying about, or birds dispersing when you come near to them as The Witcher 1 did in The Swamp region? or do you mean something like what another posted said about 'someone selling Andraste's Ashes that turned out to be fake'? Or both?

In the Sundermount Mountain quests, there could maybe have been birds; however, I didn't miss them much. In Kirkwall itself, during the day, maybe there could have been children playing or running around in various parts of the city. However, I didn't miss them much either. I'm just worried that the ambient storytelling might take resources away from other, to me, more important things such as story, quests and dialogue etc.

[nitefyre410]

aries1001 wrote...

I'm not sure this is cinematic storytelling at all, but sometimes my characters, in combar, runs away from the enemy they're supposed to attack, swinging their swords at this air e.g. imaginary enemies or monsters. As annoying as this may be, it also takes me out of the immersiveness of the game, at least in combat.

As for ambient storytelling, do you mean things like the scenery e.g. birds flying about, or birds dispersing when you come near to them as The Witcher 1 did in The Swamp region? or do you mean something like what another posted said about 'someone selling Andraste's Ashes that turned out to be fake'? Or both?

In the Sundermount Mountain quests, there could maybe have been birds; however, I didn't miss them much. In Kirkwall itself, during the day, maybe there could have been children playing or running around in various parts of the city. However, I didn't miss them much either. I'm just worried that the ambient storytelling might take resources away from other, to me, more important things such as story, quests and dialogue etc.

To you first point that is gamplay  and combat which is something both games did not  very well imo -  its not  bad but it not great either. 


No just ambient storytelling but storytelling period - something that I  thought of recently that would really pulled me in the story of DA:O was if  we  went back to Lorthering and  actually saw the remains of the town and characters reacted.  Lieana at the burnt out remains of Chantry bodies of people she knew  scattered about. Morrigan abit take by destruction that Darkspawn horde can doo.  The Warden and Alasitar actaully seeing what they are  fighting against instead of a   Jolly  Roger(skull and crossbones) on my map. 

DA 2   Hawke going this mothers funeral or at the end of the game -  If side with Mages  Hawke  and compainions fighting a lossing battle.  Osiano  looking around as he sees  mages that raised as his own children cut down before then  maybe people would understand the utter desperation   that drove him to became the Havester.   If you side with Templar -  showing a group of surrendering   Mages  with Templars and some agrueing with the Commander about actually Killing them.   Templars pulling the helmets off and puking there guts out at what they are seeing and doing.    Maybe then some people can see that being a  good man thats Templar can utter thankless  job and not all take joy in it.    Instead of what we got.
 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 05 août 2011 - 03:59 .