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[csfteeeer]

EDarkness wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Since I'm in a sharing mood, I will put this out there: our intention is that for each major release of Dragon Age, you will take up the mantle of a new character. This does not mean your old character may never appear in future games, but as far as the core protagonist goes, if there is a DA III, it will very likely be neither Hawke nor The Warden.

We want to keep the series about the time and place, rather than about any singular character. While I know not everyone prefers that approach, I believe it's perfectly valid, especially if certain plans of ours to shore up world consistency (import bugs really bother me!) come to fruition, which I believe they will.

And that's all I can say about that.

I can understand what you mean, but I think people would be more accepting of a different guy running the show if two things weren't going on.  First, there are these crazy cliffhangers at the end of the game.  In the first game, my Warden chased Morrigan into the mirror and the story ended there.  There was this buildup like we'd be able to pick up from there in Dragon Age 2.  Instead, we pick up with a whole new character with no real resolution to the first game.  The second game ends on some crazy cliffhanger and now you're saying that we'll be starting a new character in the next game?  Please wrap things up, then switch to a new character.  One thing I really like about Mass Effect is that we can take the same guy through his full story.  Once Shepard's story is done, we can move on to the next guy.  It should be the natural progression of the story and world as a whole.

Second, the game is numbered, so people tend to think that the next game will be connected to the previous game and so on.  If you want to start a whole new story with new people, then add in a subtitle.  Like Dragon Age: Fall of the Chantry, or something to that effect.  Calling it Dragon Age 2 or 3 kinda gives people the idea that it's a continuation of the previous game.

Anyway, this is my feeling about it all.  The Warden really needs another game to put his story to bed.  And on that note, so does Hawke.

Exactly.

I Honestly don't understand how can change storylines just like that.
There are so many questions and unfinished plots, and they're just gonna leave them in the air?
i don't get it.

[Vincentdante]

I am pleased that each game will have a different character and story line. If there was another blight and the warden had to return that would be too much.

I want to see the rest of the free marches for DA3, Kirkwall got old fast and I want to see what the other places are all about. My other preference for local would be tevinter to change things around a bit.

EDarkness wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Since
I'm in a sharing mood, I will put this out there: our intention is that
for each major release of Dragon Age, you will take up the mantle of a
new character. This does not mean your old character may never appear in
future games, but as far as the core protagonist goes, if there is a
DA III, it will very likely be neither Hawke nor The Warden.

We
want to keep the series about the time and place, rather than about any
singular character. While I know not everyone prefers that approach, I
believe it's perfectly valid, especially if certain plans of ours to
shore up world consistency (import bugs really bother me!) come to
fruition, which I believe they will.

And that's all I can say about that.

I
can understand what you mean, but I think people would be more
accepting of a different guy running the show if two things weren't
going on.  First, there are these crazy cliffhangers at the end of the
game.  In the first game, my Warden chased Morrigan into the mirror and
the story ended there.  There was this buildup like we'd be able to pick
up from there in Dragon Age 2.  Instead, we pick up with a whole new
character with no real resolution to the first game.  The second game
ends on some crazy cliffhanger and now you're saying that we'll be
starting a new character in the next game?  Please wrap things up, then
switch to a new character.  One thing I really like about Mass Effect is
that we can take the same guy through his full story.  Once Shepard's
story is done, we can move on to the next guy.  It should be the natural
progression of the story and world as a whole.

Second, the game
is numbered, so people tend to think that the next game will be
connected to the previous game and so on.  If you want to start a whole
new story with new people, then add in a subtitle.  Like Dragon Age:
Fall of the Chantry, or something to that effect.  Calling it Dragon Age
2 or 3 kinda gives people the idea that it's a continuation of the
previous game.

Anyway, this is my feeling about it all.  The
Warden really needs another game to put his story to bed.  And on that
note, so does Hawke.

Not true. But I see what you saying

Alot of wardens will have died in DA:O or married alistair/didn't go through the mirror/whatever. So whatever happens is a conclusion in itself, and if you "italian jobbed" it then so be it. I'm more annoyed that the dlc messes up the nice little epilogues the games give you but thats just fluff really.

DA2 will probably be concluded through later content. Or if not there is no resaon why another hero can't sort out the qunari/chantry or even end up hunting/siding with hawke for those reasons. But imo I would prefer the former and let DA3 be a new story.

Modifié par Vincentdante, 06 août 2011 - 09:02 .

[Lestatman]

Personally its not about seeing the rest of Thedas as I think all fans would want that but having all these protagonists all about the same time period just doesn't seem to work for me and with storylines not really ending and calling each follow up DA game 2 and 3 gives the impression its a follow up from previous games.

[Zanallen]

The end of Witch Hunt isn't really a cliffhanger. Neither is the end of DA2. After the Origin's DLC, the Warden is either dead, wandering around or in the Eluvian. The only thing that isn't finished up is the possible OGB. However, the OGB isn't canon and may never appear or at least not have a game centered around him. Either way, it isn't a cliffhanger, but merely a loose thread that doesn't really need to be tied up any time soon. In DA2, crap hits the fan, Hawke kills some people and then vanishes. We don't need to play as Hawke to find out what happened to him. We don't need to play as the Warden to see what happens to Morrigan.

[Dave of Canada]

There's questions and unfinished plots because they are obviously aiming for something bigger, we're only experiencing things as we move along step by step. You can't simply pull away the curtain, show everything and have this gigantic disaster in the next game that your character somehow has to fix.

[Levvi]

csfteeeer wrote...

EDarkness wrote...

I can understand what you mean, but I think people would be more accepting of a different guy running the show if two things weren't going on.  First, there are these crazy cliffhangers at the end of the game.  In the first game, my Warden chased Morrigan into the mirror and the story ended there.  There was this buildup like we'd be able to pick up from there in Dragon Age 2.  Instead, we pick up with a whole new character with no real resolution to the first game.  The second game ends on some crazy cliffhanger and now you're saying that we'll be starting a new character in the next game?  Please wrap things up, then switch to a new character.  One thing I really like about Mass Effect is that we can take the same guy through his full story.  Once Shepard's story is done, we can move on to the next guy.  It should be the natural progression of the story and world as a whole.

Second, the game is numbered, so people tend to think that the next game will be connected to the previous game and so on.  If you want to start a whole new story with new people, then add in a subtitle.  Like Dragon Age: Fall of the Chantry, or something to that effect.  Calling it Dragon Age 2 or 3 kinda gives people the idea that it's a continuation of the previous game.

Anyway, this is my feeling about it all.  The Warden really needs another game to put his story to bed.  And on that note, so does Hawke.

Exactly.

I Honestly don't understand how can change storylines just like that.
There are so many questions and unfinished plots, and they're just gonna leave them in the air?
i don't get it.

Just because we're getting a new character doesn't mean they won't tie everything together. The cliffhangers and questions could very well be addressed in the third game. And if not, Gaider just said we haven't seen the last of Hawke, so an expansion could be on the way  

Personally, I'm glad we're getting a new protagonist. For all you know, it could be a Seeker. Seeking Hawke.

[csfteeeer]

Levvi wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...

EDarkness wrote...

I can understand what you mean, but I think people would be more accepting of a different guy running the show if two things weren't going on.  First, there are these crazy cliffhangers at the end of the game.  In the first game, my Warden chased Morrigan into the mirror and the story ended there.  There was this buildup like we'd be able to pick up from there in Dragon Age 2.  Instead, we pick up with a whole new character with no real resolution to the first game.  The second game ends on some crazy cliffhanger and now you're saying that we'll be starting a new character in the next game?  Please wrap things up, then switch to a new character.  One thing I really like about Mass Effect is that we can take the same guy through his full story.  Once Shepard's story is done, we can move on to the next guy.  It should be the natural progression of the story and world as a whole.

Second, the game is numbered, so people tend to think that the next game will be connected to the previous game and so on.  If you want to start a whole new story with new people, then add in a subtitle.  Like Dragon Age: Fall of the Chantry, or something to that effect.  Calling it Dragon Age 2 or 3 kinda gives people the idea that it's a continuation of the previous game.

Anyway, this is my feeling about it all.  The Warden really needs another game to put his story to bed.  And on that note, so does Hawke.

Exactly.

I Honestly don't understand how can change storylines just like that.
There are so many questions and unfinished plots, and they're just gonna leave them in the air?
i don't get it.

Just because we're getting a new character doesn't mean they won't tie everything together. The cliffhangers and questions could very well be addressed in the third game. And if not, Gaider just said we haven't seen the last of Hawke, so an expansion could be on the way  

Personally, I'm glad we're getting a new protagonist. For all you know, it could be a Seeker. Seeking Hawke.

i know there will be more DLC for DA2, but how is a DLC going to address and close all of this?
"Oh yeah, there was going to be a big war....but no matter, everything will be fix'd in a 5 minute DLC"
????

i'm obviously exaggerating when i say "5 minute DLC", but i believe they said that there would be no Awakening-like Expansion for DA2, so how is everything going to work out for a DLC?

also, if they're changing protagonists, how will this new person have any type of connection to the ongoing story?
how woukld he/she fit? it would just be like:
"oh hey, i heard there is a war going on, so mind if i fix everything?"
"sure, why not"
it doesn't make any sense to me.(there also certain unresolved plots like the one with Morrigan)+

Think of it this way:

Mass Effect 2: at the end of ME1 Shepard has the intention to stop the Reapers, and at the start of ME2, he/she gets killed(i'm gonna keep saying he for simplicity sake), so.... after that, a Character, THAT WE HAVE NEVER SEEN OR HEARD OF, just tells the Allience"i will stop the Reapers".
it would be dumb(imo), because who the hell is this guy?
why is he doing this?etc...

those things need a proper introduction and the character to be fully involved in the overall story BEFORE something like this is said, in order to make sense, otherwise it's a Deus Ex Machina right up our ass.

This is of course under the assumption that they will continue the story with the hole war thing going on.
if they don't, well, that would be stupidiest s**t ever(imo).
(Unless it's a prequel to final events in DA2, in which case it would make sense.)

i would like to Play the Warden Again, i never want to see Hawke Again, but in either case, given that they were setup for something BIG at the end of DA2, Changing Protagonist just seems like a Whim from BioWare's part at this point.
at least the way i see it.

like EDarkness said, they should end all the final stories with characters included in order to put their stories to bed, after that, they can change the story to whoever they want, Warden and Hawke's stories are done and they don't need to stretch any further, and if DA2 would have given a complete conclusion to Hawke's Story by killing him, it would have made sense, but BOTH the warden and Hawke were hinted to have a connection for one Final fate, and now they're just gonna drop it?
silly.

it just seems kinda stupid that they want to pull another Revan, when they know how many people hated that.

Modifié par csfteeeer, 06 août 2011 - 11:09 .

[Aradace]

Fist of all, I agree with Mike's post of having each installment of DA being with a different protagonist. DA is about THEDAS, and the events happening within, NOT specific characters. As for a couple of other posts I saw after that, I have this to say:

1.) Your warden's story is done. And by done I mean, as Mike said, that doesnt mean that you'll never see him/her again, you just wont be playing him/her again. Im sure the whole thing with the Alluvian (however you spell that lol) and Morrigan will be resolved, we just need to be patient to see what happens. Beyond that, your warden, again, is DONE.

2.) If some folks had been paying attention back when they began talking about DLC for DA2, they'd know that the reason for the so-called "Cliffhanger" ending in DA2 is because the rest of Hawke's story is going to be told through the DLC. Which means, Im sure, that by the time all the DLC for DA2 is done, there should be at least "some" closure with Hawke and his/her story. Again, it's all about patience. As Nathaniel said: "You may yet have your answers with the fullness of time" (or something to that effect.)

[Lisa_H]

If they are going to introduce a new PC with DA3 I would hope we get a DLC that gives a bit more of a conclusion for my Hawke. For my warden as well, but I feel more satisfied with her story, but things are left so very open with my Hawke I would really like DLC that takes place after DA2 just get a better feeling of conclusion.

[Lisa_H]

David Gaider wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...
Awww man! I'll miss Hawke. =(

Hawke isn't gone just yet.

Does that mean we will get another DLC? Please tell me we will

[csfteeeer]

Aradace wrote...

Fist of all, I agree with Mike's post of having each installment of DA being with a different protagonist. DA is about THEDAS, and the events happening within, NOT specific characters. As for a couple of other posts I saw after that, I have this to say:

1.) Your warden's story is done. And by done I mean, as Mike said, that doesnt mean that you'll never see him/her again, you just wont be playing him/her again. Im sure the whole thing with the Alluvian (however you spell that lol) and Morrigan will be resolved, we just need to be patient to see what happens. Beyond that, your warden, again, is DONE.

2.) If some folks had been paying attention back when they began talking about DLC for DA2, they'd know that the reason for the so-called "Cliffhanger" ending in DA2 is because the rest of Hawke's story is going to be told through the DLC. Which means, Im sure, that by the time all the DLC for DA2 is done, there should be at least "some" closure with Hawke and his/her story. Again, it's all about patience. As Nathaniel said: "You may yet have your answers with the fullness of time" (or something to that effect.)

so people have to pay.... for the ending of a game?
wow, and i thought that was just something made up by the Haters, it turns out is true.

[SirDoctorofTARDIS]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Since I'm in a sharing mood, I will put this out there: our intention is that for each major release of Dragon Age, you will take up the mantle of a new character. This does not mean your old character may never appear in future games, but as far as the core protagonist goes, if there is a DA III, it will very likely be neither Hawke nor The Warden.

We want to keep the series about the time and place, rather than about any singular character. While I know not everyone prefers that approach, I believe it's perfectly valid, especially if certain plans of ours to shore up world consistency (import bugs really bother me!) come to fruition, which I believe they will.

And that's all I can say about that.

:(

[Zanallen]

csfteeeer wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Fist of all, I agree with Mike's post of having each installment of DA being with a different protagonist. DA is about THEDAS, and the events happening within, NOT specific characters. As for a couple of other posts I saw after that, I have this to say:

1.) Your warden's story is done. And by done I mean, as Mike said, that doesnt mean that you'll never see him/her again, you just wont be playing him/her again. Im sure the whole thing with the Alluvian (however you spell that lol) and Morrigan will be resolved, we just need to be patient to see what happens. Beyond that, your warden, again, is DONE.

2.) If some folks had been paying attention back when they began talking about DLC for DA2, they'd know that the reason for the so-called "Cliffhanger" ending in DA2 is because the rest of Hawke's story is going to be told through the DLC. Which means, Im sure, that by the time all the DLC for DA2 is done, there should be at least "some" closure with Hawke and his/her story. Again, it's all about patience. As Nathaniel said: "You may yet have your answers with the fullness of time" (or something to that effect.)

so people have to pay.... for the ending of a game?
wow, and i thought that was just something made up by the Haters, it turns out is true.

The ending of DA2 is on the disc. The game ends with the mage/templar conflict breaking into full out war. The entirety of the game was design to build up the conflict. Hawke tries to stop it, but ultimately fails. The mage/templar war is now most likely going to be the backdrop for DA3.

[MAIDENHEAD 666]

I hope the Warden and Hawke and a new character will be the 3 main characters in DA3.
I have 2 Wardens and 1 Hawke saved on my hard drive.
I don't like clogging up my hard drive with useless data unless I know it can be used again sometime in the future.

[Catriana]

I'm cool with all new character for DAIII.

As for the DAII Ending...I don't really see how Hawke's ending was a cliffhanger. S/He disappears, but s/he could just as well have said 'screw it' and become a hermit with their LI(If you went that route). I mean, Hawke does go through a lot of crap, I wouldn't blame him/her for never showing back up again.

I think having OGB as a LI or companion for DAIII would be awesome. They could be optional, since some folks didn't go that route. If you went that route, that means a different ending for you! Or something, IDK.

On a side note, I wouldn't have minded a mention of the warden traveling with Zevran if you chose him as your LI in Origins. Zev says he's going to wage war back in Antiva, that alone would have been interesting, even as a novel or some such. Ah well.

Modifié par Catriana, 06 août 2011 - 12:44 .

[nitefyre410]

MAIDENHEAD 666 wrote...

I hope the Warden and Hawke and a new character will be the 3 main characters in DA3.
I have 2 Wardens and 1 Hawke saved on my hard drive.
I don't like clogging up my hard drive with useless data unless I know it can be used again sometime in the future.

You know I like the idea of the Two protagnist for story... Its something  that worked very well in Birth by Sleep  and I could see working well for  DA 3.  Having the two story lines merge would be nice.

[Salaya]

I like the idea of a new character, although I would rather play as my canon warden again.

I know what devs have said, but I sincerely doubt about Hawke not being a [failed] attempt to create a Shepard. If DA2 wouldn't have been received as bad as it was, I'm sure devs wouldn't be saying that line about "different character for new games"

[AmazingOlivia]

They said that BEFORE the game was released.

[In Exile]

EDarkness wrote...

I can understand what you mean, but I think people would be more accepting of a different guy running the show if two things weren't going on.  First, there are these crazy cliffhangers at the end of the game.  In the first game, my Warden chased Morrigan into the mirror and the story ended there.  There was this buildup like we'd be able to pick up from there in Dragon Age 2. 

Except my Warden told the other Warden to go **** themselves (and would have banned them from Ferelden if the game only gave an option) and would never have gone to Amaranthine. But the game forces you to do that. Fine, it's either lose my cannon or break character & invent a reason for Awakening.

But my Warden is done with this, and most had no reason to do anything with Morrigain - just try and find a way to cure the taint (via Avernus or some other means).

So certainly your Warden might have some unfinished business, but that business isn't my characters.

Instead, we pick up with a whole new character with no real resolution to the first game.  The second game ends on some crazy cliffhanger and now you're saying that we'll be starting a new character in the next game?  Please wrap things up, then switch to a new character.  One thing I really like about Mass Effect is that we can take the same guy through his full story.  Once Shepard's story is done, we can move on to the next guy.  It should be the natural progression of the story and world as a whole.

The Warden's story was done: stop the Blight. That was it. Shepard hasn't stopped the reapers yet. 

Second, the game is numbered, so people tend to think that the next game will be connected to the previous game and so on.  If you want to start a whole new story with new people, then add in a subtitle.  Like Dragon Age: Fall of the Chantry, or something to that effect.  Calling it Dragon Age 2 or 3 kinda gives people the idea that it's a continuation of the previous game. 

It was called Exodus. You can see that in the console.

More importantly, Bioware has marketed that straight up at every single point. It's not as if they lied and said DA would be about the Warden. If people don't do the research, frankly, tough for them.

Anyway, this is my feeling about it all.  The Warden really needs another game to put his story to bed.  And on that note, so does Hawke.

No. The Warden needs to have Bioware stop trying to invent cannon decisions. 

[In Exile]

csfteeeer wrote...
Mass Effect 2: at the end of ME1 Shepard has the intention to stop the Reapers, and at the start of ME2, he/she gets killed(i'm gonna keep saying he for simplicity sake), so.... after that, a Character, THAT WE HAVE NEVER SEEN OR HEARD OF, just tells the Allience"i will stop the Reapers".
it would be dumb(imo), because who the hell is this guy?
why is he doing this?etc...

At the end of ME1, Shepard didn't stop the reapers. At the end of ME3, if the reapers are stopped and a potential ME4 has a new protagonist stopping some other threat, that wouldn't be a big deal.

Sure, some people might **** that it should be Shepard solving every problem in the galaxy... but that doesn't mean Shepard's story isn't finished.

[Wulfram]

The Warden had a perfectly good ending in Origins, but Awakening, Witch Hunt and DA2 all seemed determined to f*** it up. Really, Bioware should learn to leave well enough alone.

If there isn't the intention to continue Hawke's story in an expansion or sequel, I don't see the point of telling us that they disappear.

edit: and having them appear in a game in which they're not the protagonist seems like a really bad idea.

Modifié par Wulfram, 06 août 2011 - 03:02 .

[Big I]

Am I sad that the Warden will not be a playable character again? Yes. However, am I happy that I don't have to play as Hawke again? Also yes.

[Yuqi]

Catriana wrote...

I'm cool with all new character for DAIII.

As for the DAII Ending...I don't really see how Hawke's ending was a cliffhanger. S/He disappears, but s/he could just as well have said 'screw it' and become a hermit with their LI(If you went that route). I mean, Hawke does go through a lot of crap, I wouldn't blame him/her for never showing back up again.

I think having OGB as a LI or companion for DAIII would be awesome. They could be optional, since some folks didn't go that route. If you went that route, that means a different ending for you! Or something, IDK.

On a side note, I wouldn't have minded a mention of the warden traveling with Zevran if you chose him as your LI in Origins. Zev says he's going to wage war back in Antiva, that alone would have been interesting, even as a novel or some such. Ah well.

I'm curious about this as well, but not everyone spared Zevran. Lets say the do bring back the warden,how many possibilites of  where they are, are there?

Married Allistar/Anora ,went with morrigan,ran off with zevran, something with lelliana, not to mention ultimate sacrifice. Went wandering after witch hunt..

Lets say a seeker finds the warden.. possible locations

Antiva
Feralden
Something to do with morrigan
Six Feet under

It would be Warden origins:innocent:

[Robhuzz]

Willybot wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

It'd take a little retconning to have The Warden in ME3. He/she can be dead after origins or went with Morrigan into the eluvian after witch hunt.

Thats true, but you could subsitute the Hero of Ferelden with an Orleasan Warden Commander a la Awakenings. Would require some alternative dialogue in spots depending on how dynamic they want to make it however.

Besides, it isn't as though bringing back main characters from potential death is taboo to these writers.

True as well, though I think if the Warden is featured in DA3, it should be the original warden from origins, not a character that was meant as a way out for those who didn't play origins. From Witch Hunt we already saw the old god baby is considered canon, which also means the warden surviving is canon. Leliana is alive no matter what and she looks to become an important character again, which is kinda nice since I always liked her.

I really don't know what to expect from DA2, I guess it all depends on what happens to DA2. Will we be getting an expansion that sort of closes Hawke's story? Judging from the way DA2's main campaign ended, I'd say yes. BioWare also set up the Warden for a possible return by making Cassandra mention him/her. To further empazise on this, Leliana just had to state it was no coincidence. I think we'll definitely see the Warden again later though in what way, no one can say.

@Yuki

I have a feeling the next chapter of DA (be that DA2 expansion pack or DA3) is going to take place in Orlais. A possible entrance for the Warden could be that the king/queen sent him/her to orlais (as a high ranking ambassador of some kind) to try and stop the growing hostility between Ferelden and Orlais...

Modifié par Robhuzz, 06 août 2011 - 03:24 .

[Siven80]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Since I'm in a sharing mood, I will put this out there: our intention is that for each major release of Dragon Age, you will take up the mantle of a new character. This does not mean your old character may never appear in future games, but as far as the core protagonist goes, if there is a DA III, it will very likely be neither Hawke nor The Warden.

We want to keep the series about the time and place, rather than about any singular character. While I know not everyone prefers that approach, I believe it's perfectly valid, especially if certain plans of ours to shore up world consistency (import bugs really bother me!) come to fruition, which I believe they will.

And that's all I can say about that.

Awesome.

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