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[thenemesis1]

I know Mike and David want to make the story around the lore of the story..but how can you make it that when you don't have the pcs that lived and played that story to where it is. A new pc just makes the story less important and throws it off of what it could have been. So you are a new pc.......what do I do....oh Flemeth has to help me and tells me to do this and that to help her and never gets to the heart of what is needed........don't do this again....it's so done and out the damn window.

To make your story so important....you need strong characters to pull it off and to throw the eyes..pc..under the buss, makes for a bad story. This is Davids story and he seems to dislike a pc that he feels will take away from his story of lore. This is a sad day in the world of DA. You can only delude the people so many times.

Modifié par thenemesis1, 10 août 2011 - 11:31 .

[M8DMAN]

thenemesis1 wrote...

I know Mike and David want to make the story around the lore of the story..but how can you make it that when you don't have the pcs that lived and played that story to where it is. A new pc just makes the story less important and throws it off of what it could have been. So you are a new pc.......what do I do....oh Flemeth has to help me and tells me to do this and that to help her and never gets to the heart of what is needed........don't do this again....it's so done and out the damn window.

To make your story so important....you need strong characters to pull it off and to throw the eyes..pc..under the buss, makes for a bad story. This is Davids story and he seems to dislike a pc that he feels will take away from his story of lore. This is a sad day in the world of DA. You can only delude the people so many times.

I agree. A lot of important characters get the shaft when you introduce a new protagonist.

A case in point being the awful character cameos in DA2.

[Ariella]

thenemesis1 wrote...

I know Mike and David want to make the story around the lore of the story..but how can you make it that when you don't have the pcs that lived and played that story to where it is. A new pc just makes the story less important and throws it off of what it could have been. So you are a new pc.......what do I do....oh Flemeth has to help me and tells me to do this and that to help her and never gets to the heart of what is needed........don't do this again....it's so done and out the damn window.

A new cast of characters didn't hurt the Final Fantasy franchise. It certainly didn't hurt Fallout 2 either, and if I may remind, there were a lot of pissed off Origins fans who felt their choice was disrespected when they found out they could import their DEAD Warden into Awaking.

To make your story so important....you need strong characters to pull it off and to throw the eyes..pc..under the buss, makes for a bad story. This is Davids story and he seems to dislike a pc that he feels will take away from his story of lore. This is a sad day in the world of DA. You can only delude the people so many times.

I guess you've never read George RR Martin then, have you? He's killed off POV characters like they were going out of style. However, you seem to miss the point. The metastory of Dragon Age isn't about one person, it is the story of the world, and the various people who made it what it is during the century known as the Dragon Age.

That's been the theme since the beginning, and the Dev team hasn't tried to delude anyone about it. In fact, it's a testement to the entire team that they created games where the players don't want to let go of the central character just yet. I know I'm not ready to give up on Hawke just yet and am hoping for more DA2 products to see where the story goes next. DA3 will come, and we'll have new and possibly old faces to debate over, but the story of the world will go on.

[Dragoonlordz]

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Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 août 2011 - 01:16 .

[Leoroc]

Ariella wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Who says she wasn't playing the field and in the end wasn't either Alistairs or Riordans. In the end God baby I think wil become the hero at somepoint in one of the DA titles using character creater everyones god baby will look way want anyways and if include race choices again which better do if want my money, then even that isn't an issue.

Considering that A) Riordan couldn't because he'd been a Grey Warden too long. One could choose not to do the ritual (C DG said the ritual wasn't canon D) if you did do the ritual the baby had a fixed gender as of Witch Hunt: Male, I doubt we'll be seeing this happen.

Morrigan, yes, we'll probably see again, as she and Flemeth have unfinished business, but the only way we'll see the child is if it's in a reactive quest.

Why not? It could be an origin, perhaps one only available to people who import a save with dark ritual?

Like Paladins in the Quest For Glory series.

Modifié par Leoroc, 11 août 2011 - 01:15 .

[Ariella]

Leoroc wrote...

Ariella wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Who says she wasn't playing the field and in the end wasn't either Alistairs or Riordans. In the end God baby I think wil become the hero at somepoint in one of the DA titles using character creater everyones god baby will look way want anyways and if include race choices again which better do if want my money, then even that isn't an issue.

Considering that A) Riordan couldn't because he'd been a Grey Warden too long. One could choose not to do the ritual (C DG said the ritual wasn't canon D) if you did do the ritual the baby had a fixed gender as of Witch Hunt: Male, I doubt we'll be seeing this happen.

Morrigan, yes, we'll probably see again, as she and Flemeth have unfinished business, but the only way we'll see the child is if it's in a reactive quest.

Why not? It could be an origin, perhaps one only available to people who import a save with dark ritual?

Like Paladins in the Quest For Glory series.

As a possible reactive character you run into yes, but as a player character? There would be so many variables that would have to be taken into consideration, I honestly don't think it'd be possible to tell a story where the player is or isn't Morrigan's child. The idea makes my head explode, and I've written alternate universe stuff before. It would be like writing two totally different games.

And I have to admit every time I hear the suggestion of bringing Morrigan's child out as a character, I have flaashbacks from Lands of Lore 2, or maybe Son of a Witch.

[Dragoonlordz]

A plot device could be set up to change that normal baby into a god baby through alternative means, experimentation, mutation or enviromental. We don't know what was on the other side of that mirror, the enviroment and situations in that unknown location could be used for that regard. While the starting story might require a different approach it wouldn't have to take long for it to blend into a specific role played out in the future exploration of the game.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 août 2011 - 01:42 .

[RaidenXS]

Will we play as a Disciple or a seeker?

[erynnar]

David Gaider wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...
Awww man! I'll miss Hawke. =(

Hawke isn't gone just yet.

Well, I am glad to hear that DA3 would have someone new. I am going to be a complete snarky purple button and say, too bad Hawke isn't gone just yet, LOL. Except I did like Legacy, so, the snark is mixed with the blue icon button too. I did come to like her (mine was a her) more after that.

[Redcoat]

"Hawke isn't gone yet, but he will be after I stab him a few more times."

[Ariella]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

A plot device could be set up to change that normal baby into a god baby through alternative means, experimentation, mutation or enviromental. We don't know what was on the other side of that mirror, the enviroment and situations in that unknown location could be used for that regard. While the starting story might require a different approach it wouldn't have to take long for it to blend into a specific role played out in the future exploration of the game.

I'm not sure how much a stretch of lore that would be. I'd honestly rather leave the fate of Morrigan's child to an anthology of tales from the DA universe that happened or might have happened. Less likely to give me a headache too, and the writing staff for that matter. Though if you really want to play someone who's been so pulled out of main stream of fate or destiny, you might want to try Kingdoms of Amular: The Reckoning when it comes out.

I guess one of the reasons I argue so vehemently against this idea is that I've already done this in Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, and while I enjoyed the experience, one of the things I kinda like about DA is the heroes aren't "the Chosen One", and no not even Hawke, it just seems that way because we're playing in flashbacks, where the "audience" of Cassandra already has certain expectations of the Champion of Kirkwall.I like that pure dumb luck plays as much a role about the heroes of the Dragon Age as anything else. It makes it fun, for me at least.

[Dragoonlordz]

Ariella wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

A plot device could be set up to change that normal baby into a god baby through alternative means, experimentation, mutation or enviromental. We don't know what was on the other side of that mirror, the enviroment and situations in that unknown location could be used for that regard. While the starting story might require a different approach it wouldn't have to take long for it to blend into a specific role played out in the future exploration of the game.

I'm not sure how much a stretch of lore that would be. I'd honestly rather leave the fate of Morrigan's child to an anthology of tales from the DA universe that happened or might have happened. Less likely to give me a headache too, and the writing staff for that matter. Though if you really want to play someone who's been so pulled out of main stream of fate or destiny, you might want to try Kingdoms of Amular: The Reckoning when it comes out.

I guess one of the reasons I argue so vehemently against this idea is that I've already done this in Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, and while I enjoyed the experience, one of the things I kinda like about DA is the heroes aren't "the Chosen One", and no not even Hawke, it just seems that way because we're playing in flashbacks, where the "audience" of Cassandra already has certain expectations of the Champion of Kirkwall.I like that pure dumb luck plays as much a role about the heroes of the Dragon Age as anything else. It makes it fun, for me at least.

I'm more inclined about specifically Morriganes child being the main protaganist in atleast one of the DA titles, in my mind would be the pinnacle of a great end story to a IP/franchise when that times comes many years from now hopefully ~provided the setting was of equal epic proportions, each previous title mentioned something about this child even in lore/tales or rumours plus a branching of plot choices so great that either this child dams or saves the world by your choices on a scale not seen before in DA previous titles. With DAO blight might or might not have destroyed world given other nations have own wardens, with DA2 templars and mages did not destroy world and DA3 their war if thats the story might or might not destroy world. The difference being in the god baby DA end franchise title; it will or won't destroy the world no if's, buts' and maybe's.

By nature of such a story it would have to be the last in the line so should be saved for that time if ever came a time where DA was going to end and a new IP start. Bit like how BG ended, Kotor ended, NVN ended as in none of them are being made anymore it seems. All IPs come to an end at some point and as last in line title I think this would fit that role perfectly.

Granted such titles have been done before so maybe not everyone would like it but as a final title it would not be out of line to have someone from the past who has been behind the scenes part of lore thoughtout to come back finally and make the pinnacle difference.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 août 2011 - 02:19 .

[Ariella]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Ariella wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

A plot device could be set up to change that normal baby into a god baby through alternative means, experimentation, mutation or enviromental. We don't know what was on the other side of that mirror, the enviroment and situations in that unknown location could be used for that regard. While the starting story might require a different approach it wouldn't have to take long for it to blend into a specific role played out in the future exploration of the game.

I'm not sure how much a stretch of lore that would be. I'd honestly rather leave the fate of Morrigan's child to an anthology of tales from the DA universe that happened or might have happened. Less likely to give me a headache too, and the writing staff for that matter. Though if you really want to play someone who's been so pulled out of main stream of fate or destiny, you might want to try Kingdoms of Amular: The Reckoning when it comes out.

I guess one of the reasons I argue so vehemently against this idea is that I've already done this in Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, and while I enjoyed the experience, one of the things I kinda like about DA is the heroes aren't "the Chosen One", and no not even Hawke, it just seems that way because we're playing in flashbacks, where the "audience" of Cassandra already has certain expectations of the Champion of Kirkwall.I like that pure dumb luck plays as much a role about the heroes of the Dragon Age as anything else. It makes it fun, for me at least.

I'm more inclined about specifically Morriganes child being the main protaganist in atleast one of the DA titles, in my mind would be the pinnacle of a great end story to a IP/franchise when that times comes many years from now hopefully ~provided the setting was of equal epic proportions, each previous title mentioned something about this child even in lore/tales or rumours plus a branching of plot choices so great that either this child dams or saves the world by your choices.

By nature of such a story it would have to be the last in the line so should be saved for that time if ever came a time where DA was going to end and a new IP start. Bit like how BG ended, Kotor ended, NVN ended as in none of them are being made anymore it seems. All IPs come to an end at some point and as last in line title I think this would fit that role perfectly.

Granted such titles have been done before so maybe not everyone would like it but as a final title it would not be out of line to have someone from the past who has been behind the scenes part of lore thoughtout to come back finally and make the pinnacle difference.

This I might be able to get behind depending on how it was done, but I don't think we'll see it for a while. We'd need in game at least another ten year span before anything could be done, unless Bioware wants to put a game out about a ten year old. 

And there's still Grandma to deal with.... She's Nyx, the incarnation of Chaos.

[Dragoonlordz]

Ariella wrote...

This I might be able to get behind depending on how it was done, but I don't think we'll see it for a while. We'd need in game at least another ten year span before anything could be done, unless Bioware wants to put a game out about a ten year old. 

And there's still Grandma to deal with.... She's Nyx, the incarnation of Chaos.

Was chance wouldn't have had to deal with stupid grandma if idiot Hawke actually stuck with the option I picked of not being her little errand boy. I picked the choice of basically no I won't carry it or deliver it and Hawke being such a mommys boy/girl couldn't make his own decision and let the others decide for him/her after I already said no to the request... *grrr* 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 août 2011 - 02:26 .

[Ariella]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Ariella wrote...

This I might be able to get behind depending on how it was done, but I don't think we'll see it for a while. We'd need in game at least another ten year span before anything could be done, unless Bioware wants to put a game out about a ten year old. 

And there's still Grandma to deal with.... She's Nyx, the incarnation of Chaos.

Was chance wouldn't have had to deal with stupid grandma if idiot Hawke actually stuck with the option I picked of not being her little errand boy. I picked the choice of basically no I won't carry it or deliver it and Hawke being such a mommys boy/girl couldn't make his own decision and let the others decide for him/her after I already said no to the request... *grrr* 

Well, my Cousland parents forced me to go with Duncan, even though I'd rather have fought to the last breath defending them. That's the game for you...

As for Grams. you wouldn't want to see that family reunion? I certainly would as it'd make 4th of July and Guy Fawke's Day look like kids with sparkler. Could probably see the mage duel from Fereldan to Weisshaupt Fortress.

I also have a strange idea where Morrigan went, but we'll see.

[Dragoonlordz]

Ariella wrote...

Well, my Cousland parents forced me to go with Duncan, even though I'd rather have fought to the last breath defending them. That's the game for you...

As for Grams. you wouldn't want to see that family reunion? I certainly would as it'd make 4th of July and Guy Fawke's Day look like kids with sparkler. Could probably see the mage duel from Fereldan to Weisshaupt Fortress.

I also have a strange idea where Morrigan went, but we'll see.

It's more the issue of Hawkes actions being nothing short of a slap in the face of my Warden who killed her prior to events in DA2. Honestly if Warden and Hawke ever met my Warden would kick his arse for that and imho rightly so.

[Risax]

Even though I would've liked to play as Hawke or the Warden again, I've played plenty of JRPG's.
So I'm pretty much used to playing a new character every new game.

[MaidOfWynne]

Thanks so much for the feedback Mike and David! Thanks for taking the time to throw us some info.

While I personally loved my Warden and was sparingly attached to Hawke, and part of me kept hoping throughout DAII and Legacy that a less vague reference would be made to the imported events from my Origins playthrough, to have import problems that messed up the Warden's appearance or character (or voice!) would probably bother me more.  So if we can have a new protagonist but with great customisation I'm all in.  Still praying somewhere for nice Warden-nods though.

Great to see you both lurking on the forum!

[darkrose]

David Gaider wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...
Awww man! I'll miss Hawke. =(

Hawke isn't gone just yet.

That's good to hear. 

Much to my surprise, I found that I liked playing a new character in DA2. I did feel like my Warden's story was unfinished, though, and I felt the same way about Hawke at the end of DA2. It would be nice to get some sort of real closure, as opposed to the epilogues that weren't necessarily supposed to be believed.

[Joulurotta]

Why most of you says that it is imposible to get warden back only becouse there are choises to make in DAO? there were choises in ME too and bioware got all "major" choises back whit either save game file or whit "interactive comic" for ps3.. and whitout someone ever playing ME you wouldnt loose anything in ME2... so in end you could remake choises whitout ever playing DAO whit few answer.. which side took in main quest's, which orgin you picked.. so in end you can slap whole DAO in couple well picked question. and end of DAII it is certain that warden isnt dead.. like in awakening's ending warden goes back to where he/she came and spended few years and one night vanished whitout saying word. So it is posible to get warden back and hawke too.. all thou most likely both will come back in DA3 as companions or somesort of friendly elite boss helping new protagonist in some ridiculous hard boss fight same as you get couple old friend to help you in end of DAII.. 

[Mike3207]

For all the people saying we won't see the Warden coming back-Laidlaw would have ruled it out if we weren't going to see him again. It is a major plot hole for DA3 that both the Warden and Hawke have disappeared, and it has to be resolved in some fashion if people are going to buy into a new protagonist in DA3. I think it would be perfectly acceptable to give some dialogue with NPCs about why the Warden disappeared and has now come back, but a cameo would be good too.

[Zanallen]

Mike Smith wrote...

For all the people saying we won't see the Warden coming back-Laidlaw would have ruled it out if we weren't going to see him again. It is a major plot hole for DA3 that both the Warden and Hawke have disappeared, and it has to be resolved in some fashion if people are going to buy into a new protagonist in DA3. I think it would be perfectly acceptable to give some dialogue with NPCs about why the Warden disappeared and has now come back, but a cameo would be good too.

Laidlaw has said that neither the Warden nor Hawke will be the protagonist of Dragon Age 3. They may show up in some capacity though.

Modifié par Zanallen, 13 août 2011 - 04:06 .

[Mike3207]

Zanallen wrote...

Mike Smith wrote...

For all the people saying we won't see the Warden coming back-Laidlaw would have ruled it out if we weren't going to see him again. It is a major plot hole for DA3 that both the Warden and Hawke have disappeared, and it has to be resolved in some fashion if people are going to buy into a new protagonist in DA3. I think it would be perfectly acceptable to give some dialogue with NPCs about why the Warden disappeared and has now come back, but a cameo would be good too.

Laidlaw has said that neither the Warden nor Hawke will be the protagonist of Dragon Age 3. They may show up in some capacity though.

I was referring to the people who said we won't see the Warden or Hawke in any capacity in DA3-I'm well aware he/she won't be a protagonist. I should have made that more clear though.

[Zanallen]

Mike Smith wrote...

I was referring to the people who said we won't see the Warden or Hawke in any capacity in DA3-I'm well aware he/she won't be a protagonist. I should have made that more clear though.

I don't think we will see the Warden at all in DA3. Its possible, but I doubt it. The story is most likely going to focus on the mage/templar conflict and probably be set in Orlais going off the hints in DA2. We might see Hawke, but i don't think the Warden will fit well in what I assume the story to be. Granted, Bioware could fit him/her in. But it seems like it would be a needless cameo rather than anything important. Especially since the art style has changed and the Warden would need a voice if he/she was going to play a major role.

[Nurot]

I am glad we get a new character in each game. As someone mentioned before, there is a certain joy in creating a new character from scratch and the first ten levels are always more fun than lv 15 and up (when your character is starting to become complete).

I also think that the warden had limitations as a character that Hawke did not have and Hawke had limitations that the warden did not have. By having a new character in every game I think we will have more possibilities when it comes to story and choices.