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[ipgd]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

I don't want to be a warden, let alone the warden.

[Aristorum]

I love The Warden infinitely more than Hawke, but I would never want them in another game. The Warden's story is over.

[ademska]

everyone who understands technical and storyline limitations wrote...

all people with taste wrote...

people capable of moving on wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

I don't want to be a warden, let alone the warden.

Modifié par ademska, 05 août 2011 - 12:09 .

[Ariella]

Atakuma wrote...

I don't want to be a warden, let alone the warden.

Agreed. The Wardens made an interesting introduction to the wold of Thedas, and interesting allies/antagonists, but I'd rather play someone more like Hawke in DA3, a free agent beholden to no group.

[thenemesis1]

Ariella wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

I don't want to be a warden, let alone the warden.

Agreed. The Wardens made an interesting introduction to the wold of Thedas, and interesting allies/antagonists, but I'd rather play someone more like Hawke in DA3, a free agent beholden to no group.

So to be "beholden" to the Hawke character is better...yea...again..what you want. I can't stand how people think that the Warden is stuck just doing the Warden kind of things........****. I don't think by the end of what was left of the Warden was anything near what a "Warden is to do". The Warden was a person, just like Hawke's ass and they are both BEHOLDEN to no one. The Warden was alot like Anders and Alsiter...by the end of that story none stayed in the Warden's and as such don't have to do just a "Warden story".

If you say well they can't because of "he/she has to do that Warden crap..well should not Anders and Alister..oh but Alister is king and oh but the Warden can just drop it like Anders did..screw doing just what the warden's wanted and I played as such.

[Ariella]

thenemesis1 wrote...

Ariella wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

I don't want to be a warden, let alone the warden.

Agreed. The Wardens made an interesting introduction to the wold of Thedas, and interesting allies/antagonists, but I'd rather play someone more like Hawke in DA3, a free agent beholden to no group.

So to be "beholden" to the Hawke character is better...yea...again..what you want. I can't stand how people think that the Warden is stuck just doing the Warden kind of things........****. I don't think by the end of what was left of the Warden was anything near what a "Warden is to do". The Warden was a person, just like Hawke's ass and they are both BEHOLDEN to no one. The Warden was alot like Anders and Alsiter...by the end of that story none stayed in the Warden's and as such don't have to do just a "Warden story".

If you say well they can't because of "he/she has to do that Warden crap..well should not Anders and Alister..oh but Alister is king and oh but the Warden can just drop it like Anders did..screw doing just what the warden's wanted and I played as such.

Actually, no, what I am saying is that the point of being a Grey Warden would be to be a Grey Warden, not just be a background element for the character. If one creates a game where the PC is a Grey Warden, one would think that the story would revolve around doing Warden things, and not be "Oh I happen to be a Grey Warden BUT I'm doing this right now." The advantage of a character like Hawke (and I say like) is that you aren't tied to any one major political/social organization from the get go, you can choose who you want to affilate with. I like that, because it does open up branching story potential.

Don't get me wrong, I like the Wardens, and I'd like to continue seeing them as a force in Thedas, however, there's so much of the DA world that hasn't even been touched yet, and I think a character (it doesn't have to be Hawke and I'd rather it not in fact) who has no major stake in any of the power players offers a lot more options, including possibly becoming a Grey Warden during the game if the Wardens are one faction involved in the story of DA3. I just don't want to start there or with any group (templars/seekers/etc). I want who I align with to make sense within the choices I've made in the game, not one group's mission be the focus of the game above all else.

Yes, this is one of the reasons I enjoyed DA2.

[TEWR]

Actually, I'd enjoy playing as Xanthos Aeducan again, but I don't want to if that makes sense

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 05 août 2011 - 01:01 .

[Sutekh]

thenemesis1 wrote...

So to be "beholden" to the Hawke character is better...yea...again..what you want. I can't stand how people think that the Warden is stuck just doing the Warden kind of things........****. I don't think by the end of what was left of the Warden was anything near what a "Warden is to do". The Warden was a person, just like Hawke's ass and they are both BEHOLDEN to no one. The Warden was alot like Anders and Alsiter...by the end of that story none stayed in the Warden's and as such don't have to do just a "Warden story".

If you say well they can't because of "he/she has to do that Warden crap..well should not Anders and Alister..oh but Alister is king and oh but the Warden can just drop it like Anders did..screw doing just what the warden's wanted and I played as such.

Which is precisely why we can't have the Warden back.

Everyone has their own version of the Warden. Several even sometimes. Some are dead, some are happily doing fatherly things beyond the mirror, some are retired, Dalish Revolution leaders, kings, queens, bellerinas in Rivain, Crows Master, cooks at the Jolly Nug in Orzammar, have converted to the Qun, got lost in the Circle library... and some are still Grey-Wardening. With or without love interests or previous companions. Some of which may be dead, alive, gone, with or without family etc...

Some of this is hard-coded by actual in-game choices, some is pure headcanon, but what it means is that there are far too many variables and versions to have a coherent Warden's Return. Try doing some combinatory analysis with only the in-game choices regarding the Warden and the companions. I haven't done it, but I suspect the resulting number would be big.

Not even touching the technicalities such as voice and look, which can be solved, it would be a nightmare to create a story centered around the Warden.

There are other cons, but this is, IMHO, the main one. And the fact that DA is about Thedas, not Joe Warden or Billy Hawke.

Truth is, I'd love to play some of my Wardens again, but I can't see any way this can be done in a satisfying manner. So I'd rather not at all. Mentions and / or cameo, if not too buggy, would be fine.

[Ryzaki]

I hope not. She might catch some of Hawke's fail.

Not to mention a few of my Wardens are just plain dead. I rather the Warden remain in mystery. (same with Hawke really). 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 août 2011 - 01:16 .

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

All I want is my Warden's appearance not be half-assed, whatever it may be as.

[Masako52]

I want the Warden AND Hawke to be in DA3. Is that possible, I wonder? Transfer over both our characters? Plus a new protagonist, of course. Doooo itttt, Bioware!

[Ianamus]

thenemesis1 wrote...

So to be "beholden" to the Hawke character is better...yea...again..what you want. I can't stand how people think that the Warden is stuck just doing the Warden kind of things........****. I don't think by the end of what was left of the Warden was anything near what a "Warden is to do". The Warden was a person, just like Hawke's ass and they are both BEHOLDEN to no one. The Warden was alot like Anders and Alsiter...by the end of that story none stayed in the Warden's and as such don't have to do just a "Warden story".

If you say well they can't because of "he/she has to do that Warden crap..well should not Anders and Alister..oh but Alister is king and oh but the Warden can just drop it like Anders did..screw doing just what the warden's wanted and I played as such.

Wardens deal with darkspawn, and can't even get involved in political affairs, and Dragon Age 3 has been set up to be all about the mage/templar crisis. Playing a warden would make little sense.

[Dhiro]

Masako52 wrote...

I want the Warden AND Hawke to be in DA3. Is that possible, I wonder? Transfer over both our characters? Plus a new protagonist, of course. Doooo itttt, Bioware!

Possible... well, it depends, I guess. The engine changed, so it's impossible to recreate your Warden, you would have to remake his/her face (FIREBALL IN THE FACE), I think. And if we had the Warden AND Hawke together, that means one of them would have to be turned into a NPC, wich would create a massive fanrage because the Hawke!/Warden!NPC would never be exactly like the player's Hawke/Warden.

I can see it working better if we control them in two separated parts of the game, though.

[TEWR]

Wardens deal with darkspawn, and can't even get involved in political affairs, and Dragon Age 3 has been set up to be all about the mage/templar crisis. Playing a warden would make little sense.

yet a Warden became involved with the politics of Ferelden and Orzammar and became the Arl of Amaranthine. That's more political involvement than most Wardens outside of Weisshaupt, and Weisshaupt gave the Warden the go ahead on being Arl.

Wardens are obviously changing.

And someone's moving against them (see Dark Epiphany). I believe it's the Chantry that's moving against them. Just a hunch.

[Yuqi]

I want them to fix the remaining import bugs first,ALA Zevran. So when I import to DA3, the history is 'correct'. I would rather continue with hawke(Specificly sarcastic hawke) because Ican see the difficulty in bringing back the warden. If the keep changing the protagonist,soon enough it becomes a pain IMO.

[Yuqi]

Sorry Double post

Modifié par Yuqi, 05 août 2011 - 03:44 .

[Dhiro]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Wardens deal with darkspawn, and can't even get involved in political affairs, and Dragon Age 3 has been set up to be all about the mage/templar crisis. Playing a warden would make little sense.

yet a Warden became involved with the politics of Ferelden and Orzammar and became the Arl of Amaranthine. That's more political involvement than most Wardens outside of Weisshaupt, and Weisshaupt gave the Warden the go ahead on being Arl.

To be fair, the Ferelden order didn't existed anymore, they -had- to get the treaties or everyone would die. I assume that if Duncan and the rest were alive, they would just wait, maybe helping here and there without actually getting themselves involved. Or not, I aways get confused when it comes down to Wardens.

[berelinde]

Enough with the Warden! I loved DA:O as much as the next person, but time moves on. The Warden is 22 when DA2 goes into full swing. She's over 30 when Varric is talking to Cassandra. By classic game standards, she's too long in the tooth to cast as the classic heroine.
 
My opinion is not altered in the slightest by the fact that I connected deeply with Hawke. Different games, different PCs. I'm just saying that the Warden had a story to tell and it's over.

[Deepo78]

 
If they carry the visual overhaul from 2 over to 3 then anyone who played an Elf warden needs a chance to tweak their facial features.

I'm kind of hoping for a new protagonist in DA3 with a few familiar faces like they did in DA2. I have a feeling Cassandra is probably going to be in your party.

[panamakira]

To be honest I think I like the idea of Bioware using more than one character to tell a story on many areas within Thedas. DA:O was The Warden, DA2 is Hawke and DA3 can be someone else. The Warden was great, Hawke was great but I'd like to move on. What I like about Dragon Age more than anything is the world, so I'd like for them to focus on another part of Thedas now.

[Mike Laidlaw]

Since I'm in a sharing mood, I will put this out there: our intention is that for each major release of Dragon Age, you will take up the mantle of a new character. This does not mean your old character may never appear in future games, but as far as the core protagonist goes, if there is a DA III, it will very likely be neither Hawke nor The Warden.

We want to keep the series about the time and place, rather than about any singular character. While I know not everyone prefers that approach, I believe it's perfectly valid, especially if certain plans of ours to shore up world consistency (import bugs really bother me!) come to fruition, which I believe they will.

And that's all I can say about that.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Very good news.

[Sir Edric]

I guess I can deal with it.

[mesmerizedish]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Since I'm in a sharing mood, I will put this out there: our intention is that for each major release of Dragon Age, you will take up the mantle of a new character. This does not mean your old character may never appear in future games, but as far as the core protagonist goes, if there is a DA III, it will very likely be neither Hawke nor The Warden.

We want to keep the series about the time and place, rather than about any singular character. While I know not everyone prefers that approach, I believe it's perfectly valid, especially if certain plans of ours to shore up world consistency (import bugs really bother me!) come to fruition, which I believe they will.

And that's all I can say about that.

Thank you very much. I realize that "very likely" isn't an ironclad promise, and for my part, you have my own ironclad promise that I won't ever take it as such  But I'm very happy that DAIII will feature someone new (most likely).

This is not because I hate Hawke (like some people). I'll admit that I was attached to my Warden. When DAII was announced with Hawke as protagonist, I was upset. I was hoping for a multi-game story focused on a character like Baldur's Gate (or Mass Effect, but I think ME is an inferior example; the story isn't about Shepard; Shepard just happens to be the star). But once I got over the shock of changing protagonists, I settled in and enjoyed playing someone new. I want that from DAIII as well.

A lot of people, I think, have been worried that you're trying to turn DA into a Hawke-centric story a la ME. To do something like that mid-series would be incredibly non-sensical. For you to reaffirm that, at least for now (gotta make it clear I'm not interpreting your comment as I PROMISE NO DOUBT ABOUT IT ), the series is about this world, not one character in it, is very heartening to me.

[Zjarcal]

As much as I love both my warden and Hawke, I'm glad to hear it will likely be a new protagonist. Not that I ever thought that wasn't going to be the case really. Creating new characters and getting attached to them is my favorite part about RPGs, so I'm all up for making a new character in DA3.

I do want more DLC with Hawke though. 

Modifié par Zjarcal, 05 août 2011 - 06:08 .