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[Wulfram]

I don't believe Bioware have ruled out a DA2 expansion pack.

[Asch Lavigne]

Each game should have a different protagonist.

I don't want to see my Warden again and I'm glad he was not the main character of DA2 because he would not have cared about mages and templars. He's a Warden, he fights Darkspawn, he's not a superhero who's out to solve every problem in the DA universe.

[dsl08002]

Asch Lavigne wrote...

Each game should have a different protagonist.

I don't want to see my Warden again and I'm glad he was not the main character of DA2 because he would not have cared about mages and templars. He's a Warden, he fights Darkspawn, he's not a superhero who's out to solve every problem in the DA universe.

That depends who your warden is,  dont it

[Noviere]

I love that each game will have a different protagonist.

With DAO, it didn't feel like that was planned, so the Warden's story didn't quite have the level of resolution I'd have liked. Sure, he/she accomplished his goal, but the ending just sort of hung there.

Hopefully there will be more DLC that gives some form of closure for Hawke.

[Brockololly]

David Gaider wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...
Laidlaw confirmed that the plan for DA going forward was to have a new protagonist each game.

Correct. Neither the Warden nor Hawke will be the PC for DA3. If either of those characters appear, it will be as NPC's only. We've clearly said this several times, so I'm uncertain why it's still a question.

Giltspur wrote...
I'd rather see them as PC's that aren't main protagonists than as NPC's.  NPC's or not at all?  Well it's hard
to say from afar. 

Hawke could work ok as a limited NPC since he already acts on his own in dialogue and they could likely have a cameo or limited appearance based on the dominant personality.

The Warden though...as an NPC, I don't see how that wouldn't be bungled. You'd either need to give them a shadowy cameo in a hood or something Revan style and not have them speak. Or you give them a voice, which would simply have BioWare completely hijacking the player's character for what would likely be a minimal scene.

I wouldn't want either of them showing up just to show up, but for both Hawke and the Warden there are some potentially MAJOR loose ends that haven't been resolved which they could be heavily involved in going forward. So you'd either have to give them a cameo of sorts or you just effectively write them off or otherwise marginalize them by having them off screen.

I'm just sick of what they're doing with DA in having the PC disappear or vanish without  trace, never having that PC accountable for the consequences for their actions. Hawke should have to be involved to figure out why the Seekers want to find him and his involvement in the war. Just as much as somebody like the Hero of Ferelden who did the DR and went with Morrigan should be involved whenever Morrigan comes back.


Especially as more DA games come out with more PCs, I think BioWare could do some really interesting and innovative things if they allowed the player to control past PCs for events/moments which make more sense for them. So if your Warden was involved with Morrigan, maybe you're able to play as the Warden in a certain part of the game where Morrigan is involved, letting you still roleplay your Warden and their motivations in a given scenario, instead of having BioWare take over. Especially if future games are going to be much bigger in geographical scope, they could almost structure it like the campaigns in Starcraft showing events take place from different POVs of different protagonists.

I'm ok with a new PC in each game but there are certain plot lines that I think would best be resolved by having certain PC's involved and not just mysteriously absent or written off because of the mandate to have a new PC each game.

Modifié par Brockololly, 18 octobre 2011 - 10:13 .

[TurboTwistedFire]

David Gaider wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...
Laidlaw confirmed that the plan for DA going forward was to have a new protagonist each game.

Correct. Neither the Warden nor Hawke will be the PC for DA3. If either of those characters appear, it will be as NPC's only. We've clearly said this several times, so I'm uncertain why it's still a question.

If I might ask, Mr. Gaider, and if you're still responding to this thread, with the technology we have now will it even be possible to bring back the PC Wardens that have been modded? As I'm sure you all at Bioware are aware, there are a lot people who have added brand new hairstyles, eye colors, skin colors  (etc) to their games provided by the modding community. Are those Wardens going to make their appearence (IF they do) with default vanilla hair styles and randomized eye, skin and hair colors? Or is there some way to somehow scan the appearence of the Warden and replicate it in a new game? Sounds like quite a daunting task. Let alone the fact that the computer would have to take modded elven Wardens that had been disigned around the looks elves were given in DA:O and changing them into the new elf styles of DA2. They might look kind of funny to their players.

Edit: And just for the record, I am not asking you to confirm or deny a possible cameo from the Warden. This is purely a hypethetical question.

Modifié par TurboTwistedFire, 18 octobre 2011 - 11:18 .

[LobselVith8]

There would also be problems with importing an elven Warden, given the "dramatic" change that elves have undergone in the transition from Dragon Age Origins to Dragon Age 2. I don't see how importing the elven Warden would feasibly work, unless the elven Warden would end up looking like the imported character who Hawke finds at Sundermount, in Act III.

[WhiteKnyght]

David Gaider wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...
Laidlaw confirmed that the plan for DA going forward was to have a new protagonist each game.

Correct. Neither the Warden nor Hawke will be the PC for DA3. If either of those characters appear, it will be as NPC's only. We've clearly said this several times, so I'm uncertain why it's still a question.

Either because they have the mental capacity of children and need to have it repeated to them, or these are just new people asking old questions.

TurboTwistedFire wrote...


If I might ask, Mr. Gaider,
and if you're still responding to this thread, with the technology we
have now will it even be possible to bring back the PC Wardens that have
been modded? As I'm sure you all at Bioware are aware, there are a lot
people who have added brand new hairstyles, eye colors, skin colors 
(etc) to their games provided by the modding community. Are those
Wardens going to make their appearence (IF they do) with default vanilla
hair styles and randomized eye, skin and hair colors? Or is there some
way to somehow scan the appearence of the Warden and replicate it in a
new game? Sounds like quite a daunting task. Let alone the fact that the
computer would have to take modded elven Wardens that had been disigned
around the looks elves were given in DA:O and changing them into the
new elf styles of DA2. They might look kind of funny to their players.

Edit:
And just for the record, I am not asking you to confirm or deny a
possible cameo from the Warden. This is purely a hypethetical question.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

I may not be Mr. Gaider, but I can answer this.

Unless the game has the graphics in it, no.

Personally I'm not even sure how the Warden can appear at all(much less look right) short of the player having to redesign him/her or just keep the face covered and never let him/her talk. DAII changed the way the CC worked and shifted to a different graphical style for faces. And Origins doesn't give a facial code like Mass Effect does(much to my chagrin. It's a pan in the arse having to work from scratch every time.).

Example: How would your Elven or Dwarven warden look in DAII style? Even the human faces look different in DAII and DAIII will likely have more changes.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 19 octobre 2011 - 04:48 .

[dsl08002]

Because of the expansions and the rest of the dlc there wern´t any satisfied conclusion in the story of the warden for example if you decide not to follow morrigan then you leave the place and then what? After the little talk with morrigan regarding flemeth and OGB then you get information about the DA2 plot and you got the feeling that your story in this franchise isn´t over yet you just got a new mission.

I once read an article about the new comic book that was comming and in that article it say that hawke and the warden will team up and that they will play a main role in DA3, if it were a game then it would be similar between Halo 3 when the arbiter and master chief team up.

But bioware could at least write a program that allow the imported face of the warden to look more like in DAO with a few modifications from DA2, Felicia Days character Tallis for example

If bioware would release a dlc with the warden in DA2 just to get the feeling of were all the player stand it would be a giant problem for them in a following way.

The DLC gets an angry feedback from those who don´t want the warden back and it will be an big outrage at the forum, 

If the DLC is well good and many express that the warden face look good and everything and want the warden to be back then Bioware would have to change the main character policy back to the old once, 

 

Modifié par dsl08002, 19 octobre 2011 - 06:15 .

[nightscrawl]

dsl08002 wrote...

Asch Lavigne wrote...

Each game should have a different protagonist.

I don't want to see my Warden again and I'm glad he was not the main character of DA2 because he would not have cared about mages and templars. He's a Warden, he fights Darkspawn, he's not a superhero who's out to solve every problem in the DA universe.

That depends who your warden is,  dont it

Yepper, I agree with dsl here.

My Warden is a mage, so mage issues not only interest me, but concern me on a personal level. I also made the decision to free Ferelden's Circle as my boon for saving the rest of the damned realm. And sorry, I don't go with the whole "Gray Wardens are apolitical" line they like to spout. I have no doubt that some Wardens truly believe this and act accordingly. However, as we saw in DAO, Warden's Peak DLC and Awakening, Grey Wardens sometimes get involved with the politics of the realm, even if it's to save them people from their own stupidity (ie Loghain not believing it was a Blight). Even the First Warden sees the benefit of this, which you learn from Mistress Woolsey in DAA.

If Maric had not allowed the Wardens back into Ferelden, they certainly would have had a fun go of it 10 years ago, wouldn't they?

[Asch Lavigne]

dsl08002 wrote...

Asch Lavigne wrote...

Each game should have a different protagonist.

I don't want to see my Warden again and I'm glad he was not the main character of DA2 because he would not have cared about mages and templars. He's a Warden, he fights Darkspawn, he's not a superhero who's out to solve every problem in the DA universe.

That depends who your warden is,  dont it

Yes, that is true. But as a Warden, getting involved as the Champion of Kirkwall would make no sense.

Besides, I thought they already said there would be a different protagonist. And something about them doing DA2 DLC that wraps up the Warden/Morrigan thing.

Plus, considering one of the endings was the Warden dies, how would they be the MC of DA3? I think many people would be upset that they'd have to create a new one and would probably therefore miss out on carryover data or something.

I'd also like to see no more Darkspawn. The Blight is over, can we not see them unless we're back in the Deep Roads?

Modifié par Asch Lavigne, 19 octobre 2011 - 06:26 .

[_Aine_]

If, (and it is a big if) there was our warden/hawke in the future games, I would guess that their presence would be *mentioned* rather than have them stroll in.

A) there would be too much rage.

there would be too much rage.

True, Hawke is much easier as the end result is easier to compartmentalize into one of a few endings and alliances. But still, at most I can guess letters, or .conversations about those old characters rather than having to deal with the horrors of import or the horrors of having a generalized "warden" or "hawke" pc representativein the game. It is just too much for me to imagine they would want to endure all that while trying to focus on the *new* game.

I am perfectly happy to say goodbye to them both and move on. Much easier to progress if you don't have to tag every past life along with you for the ride.

Modifié par shantisands, 19 octobre 2011 - 06:22 .

[Feanor_II]

The so called "Warden" here, the so called "Warden" there..... I really believe that he/she shouldn't have a relevant participation in DA3, in same games the character died making the ultimate sacrife, should those savegames be condemned to limbo?

[thenemesis1]

Feanor_II wrote...

The so called "Warden" here, the so called "Warden" there..... I really believe that he/she shouldn't have a relevant participation in DA3, in same games the character died making the ultimate sacrife, should those savegames be condemned to limbo?

That is right, it was said  that "The Warden is alive and in Thedos, but just not the center of every main story. Also was said that The Warden and Hawke will  cross paths..now weither we see that...I don't know..could be a letter or codex.  I think The Warden and Hawke will be there if they need to pick them back up again for certain storylines and I hope they do that.  As for DA3..hope it's a good story...I just think I will not care for thier new PC..to many of them now and it's getting old..like too many hands in the cookie jar.

Modifié par thenemesis1, 20 octobre 2011 - 05:14 .

[MelBee]

Perhaps for the importing of our Hawkes and Wardens Bioware could send out separate character creators to download, maybe we could insert each character manually in the DA3 override like we do with modded characters?

Of course, I don't know anything about making mods or computer games, so this may have some big flaw that I don't know of, but it makes sense to me, and if possible quite reasonable. It wouldn't take much of my time to redesign my Warden and Hawke, and I think it would actually be quite cool, specially if the people at Bioware take a look at the mods that have been created for the DAO character creator, or maybe we could even make mods for the downloadable character creators to add the hairstyles, eye colors, skin colors etc that we had?

[MelBee]

Sorry, posted this twice by mistake <_<

Modifié par MelBee, 20 octobre 2011 - 07:23 .

[Yuqi]

MelBee wrote...

Perhaps for the importing of our Hawkes and Wardens Bioware could send out separate character creators to download, maybe we could insert each character manually in the DA3 override like we do with modded characters?

Of course, I don't know anything about making mods or computer games, so this may have some big flaw that I don't know of, but it makes sense to me, and if possible quite reasonable. It wouldn't take much of my time to redesign my Warden and Hawke, and I think it would actually be quite cool, specially if the people at Bioware take a look at the mods that have been created for the DAO character creator, or maybe we could even make mods for the downloadable character creators to add the hairstyles, eye colors, skin colors etc that we had?

What about the console players then? Not everyone has/can afford a gaming P.C.

[MelBee]

Yuqi wrote...

MelBee wrote...

Perhaps for the importing of our Hawkes and Wardens Bioware could send out separate character creators to download, maybe we could insert each character manually in the DA3 override like we do with modded characters?

Of course, I don't know anything about making mods or computer games, so this may have some big flaw that I don't know of, but it makes sense to me, and if possible quite reasonable. It wouldn't take much of my time to redesign my Warden and Hawke, and I think it would actually be quite cool, specially if the people at Bioware take a look at the mods that have been created for the DAO character creator, or maybe we could even make mods for the downloadable character creators to add the hairstyles, eye colors, skin colors etc that we had?

What about the console players then? Not everyone has/can afford a gaming P.C.

You see! I knew I was forgetting something!
Perhaps not then. . . unless it's part of the game? But I doubt that would happen.

[Cobra's_back]

NO. I really don't want the Hawke or the Warden. Let it be someone new. Hawke and the Warden could have been lost at sea like Maric. I’m perfectly fine with them dying.

[ad1dash0lm3s]

I hope not. Also I hope it isn't Hawke either. Both were cool but I want different! (Didn't some one already say that neither would be the main character though?)

[Kreid]

I think the devs have said a couple of times already that while the Warden (Either the Hero of Ferelden of the Orlesian Warden Commander) is a major character, s/he will not star as the main character again.
tc...

Modifié par Creid-X, 25 octobre 2011 - 09:06 .

[ad1dash0lm3s]

 Alright, thanks for the verification. :happy:

[AwakenxBenihime]

We already know that the Warden wont be the main character (as much as I'd love my Warden to be), that said I would rather Hawke not be either then. It sucks that I felt no "end" at all with my Warden and had no wrap up or whatever but I'm willing to accept that there are way too many variables for all of our Warden stories. I would just as soon like to have some characters from both DAO and DA2 as party members/companions or at least cameos.. and have a new main character.

I'll even take all new characters if we can have more customization and skills(potion making, speech, traps etc) again.

[Nyreen]

If they could have copied ONE THING from Mass Effect, I wish it had been keeping one protagonist. I hate having my heroes tossed aside, to be replaced with a newer shinier toy. (If you actually consider Hawke a hero, which I don't. The Warden saved the world, Hawke saved a static city that quickly becomes hell once you realize you're stuck there the whole game.)