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[David Gaider]

Fidget6 wrote...
Awww man! I'll miss Hawke. =(

Hawke isn't gone just yet.

[Iakus]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Since I'm in a sharing mood, I will put this out there: our intention is that for each major release of Dragon Age, you will take up the mantle of a new character. This does not mean your old character may never appear in future games, but as far as the core protagonist goes, if there is a DA III, it will very likely be neither Hawke nor The Warden.

We want to keep the series about the time and place, rather than about any singular character. While I know not everyone prefers that approach, I believe it's perfectly valid, especially if certain plans of ours to shore up world consistency (import bugs really bother me!) come to fruition, which I believe they will.

And that's all I can say about that.

I for one am totally cool with this.

New protagonists=greater opportunities for creativity.  Less baggage between games (like imports and coninuity problems ::caughAnderscough:, a fresh start for the players.   Also, less chance of hearing "Ah, yes, 'Darkspawn' We have dismissed that claim" and doing a headdesk.  

[Brockololly]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Since I'm in a sharing mood, I will put this out there: our intention is that for each major release of Dragon Age, you will take up the mantle of a new character. This does not mean your old character may never appear in future games, but as far as the core protagonist goes, if there is a DA III, it will very likely be neither Hawke nor The Warden.

We want to keep the series about the time and place, rather than about any singular character. While I know not everyone prefers that approach, I believe it's perfectly valid, especially if certain plans of ours to shore up world consistency (import bugs really bother me!) come to fruition, which I believe they will.

And that's all I can say about that.

Thats fine, if, like you said, import bugs get fixed up. Otherwise you really need to make the games much more self contained and stop with the cliffhanger endings which will never be able to be closed out by the given protagonist best suited to deal with them- like a Warden involved with Morrigan and the OGB being able to deal directly with that in the future or Hawke dealing with Templar/Mage stuff. Having some new PC end up cleaning up the loose ends of past PC's or having to constantly end up with scenarios that break epilogues for PCs by reintroducing past companions would be greatly annoying.

I'm ok with a new PC, but if thats the case then don't try to have them doing stuff or dealing with people/events best left to the prior PC or just left untouched alltogether.

iakus wrote...
Less baggage  between games (like imports and coninuity problems  ::caughAnderscough:, a fresh start for the players.   Also, less  chance of hearing "Ah, yes, 'Darkspawn' We have dismissed that claim"  and doing a headdesk.  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

And yet I think you run the risk of more import problems and continuity issues this way when being a different PC game to game. Take Anders- since you're no longer the Warden, you can't call him out as having changed since you last saw him and essentially becoming a different character. So while my Warden may have been more involved in Anders, to Hawke he was just some new jerkface.

Thats my issue with new PCs yet keeping (and radically changing off screen, between games) old companions- the player winds up wanting to react through their PC one way and yet you will always wind up with a discrepancy between the player's knowledge and the new PC.

Modifié par Brockololly, 05 août 2011 - 08:42 .

[Serpieri Nei]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Since I'm in a sharing mood, I will put this out there: our intention is that for each major release of Dragon Age, you will take up the mantle of a new character. This does not mean your old character may never appear in future games, but as far as the core protagonist goes, if there is a DA III, it will very likely be neither Hawke nor The Warden.

We want to keep the series about the time and place, rather than about any singular character. While I know not everyone prefers that approach, I believe it's perfectly valid, especially if certain plans of ours to shore up world consistency (import bugs really bother me!) come to fruition, which I believe they will.

And that's all I can say about that.

New Protagonist is great - however we want to be able to choose our race and define him through the choices we make. And if Hawke rears his ugly head  up, my new protagonist will be seperating it from his shoulders.

[thegoldfinch]

David Gaider wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...
Awww man! I'll miss Hawke. =(

Hawke isn't gone just yet.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Also, for the record, if we go to Orlais, I want to make a pompous lady character with a fake mole that migrates from cheek to bust when no one is looking, massive extravagent hair with a very tiny hat on top, and only the poofiest of petticoats. Her lacy umbrella doubles as a pink sword that you could swear smells of lavender wafting in a summer breeze and also death. This is the only way I can imagine Orlesians ladies.

Or at least see Empress Celene kinda like that. I would be okay with that.

Modifié par pixieface, 05 août 2011 - 08:42 .

[Anarya]

I'll never understand all the Hawke hate.

[happy_daiz]

Anarya wrote...

I'll never understand all the Hawke hate.

Me either.

David Gaider wrote...
Hawke isn't gone just yet. 

This pleases me.

My suspicion has been all along that DA3 would most likely wrap up, or at least intersect with the stories from DAO and DA2 in a way that brings to light things we've been burning to know. If there is one thing BioWare excels at, it's telling a story, and I'm betting the next installment is going to leave all the haters with egg on their face.

I'm just saying...

Modifié par happy_daiz, 05 août 2011 - 08:50 .

[UrsulaCousland]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Since I'm in a sharing mood, I will put this out there: our intention is that for each major release of Dragon Age, you will take up the mantle of a new character. This does not mean your old character may never appear in future games, but as far as the core protagonist goes, if there is a DA III, it will very likely be neither Hawke nor The Warden.

We want to keep the series about the time and place, rather than about any singular character. While I know not everyone prefers that approach, I believe it's perfectly valid, especially if certain plans of ours to shore up world consistency (import bugs really bother me!) come to fruition, which I believe they will.

And that's all I can say about that.

Aw. I'm not completely put off by this - I love them both, but please give us some more Hawke/DA2 content before we have to move on. Not ready to say goodbye as a PC just yet!

Legacy was awesome! More please! 

Edit: I just saw Ser Gaider's post, David, I love you, in a hopefully non-creepy fan sort of way.  I don't get the Hawke hate either, and I was *really* cranky about losing the Warden.

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 05 août 2011 - 08:47 .

[Feirefiz1972]

I think the warden cannot come back because of the voice acting, it would simply not fit the different origens of dao, but i would like to see some closure to the origens story, as what happend to Morrigan and child with the soul of the archdemon/old god after she stepped through the eluvian.
Its a open end that, that to me, seems to be screaming for answers.

[TheAwesomologist]

Anarya wrote...

I'll never understand all the Hawke hate.

It's more of a reaction to DA2 than Hawke specifically. DA2 didn't give Hawke a chance at making meaningful choices, and in the end the story is barely about Hawke since s/he's just a hapless observer to things going on around them (on top of that the story is being told by someone else, Varric*). So general dislike about the game got put on Hawke's shoulders.

*In all honsty when I got to the end of the game and Varric is having that final conversation I was confused and thought maybe I had done something wrong (like when my Warden died the first time around). I was almost expecting Varric to have a "Kaiser Soze" moment when leaving the interogation room and we find out that everything that happend was his fault or something.
Actually come to think of it that would have been a cooler ending than what we got...

[jmadsen]

David Gaider wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...
Awww man! I'll miss Hawke. =(

Hawke isn't gone just yet.

i hope you mean a dlc after the ending of da2?

[Eudaemonium]

David Gaider wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...
Awww man! I'll miss Hawke. =(

Hawke isn't gone just yet.

Hooray!!

[tmp7704]

Anarya wrote...

I'll never understand all the Hawke hate.

a mix of AntiHeroSubstitute and ReplacementScrappy

[Apollo Starflare]

David Gaider wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...
Awww man! I'll miss Hawke. =(

Hawke isn't gone just yet.

Excellent.

[Savber100]

Honestly? 

If Laidlaw and Co. can create a poltical story stretching in-game from Orlais to Rivain with plot arcs hinted in DA:O to DA2: 

• The Mages vs. Chantry war continues - Make it more morally ambigious that goes beyond both sides being simple asses. Give us two origins: Mage or Templar. Wait.. no screw that, gives us an entirely new perspective with a recently freed qunari mage that breaks away from the Qun. 
• The possibility of war between Fereldan and Orlais (hinted by Alistair) - This entire premise just kinda reminds of the Nilfgaraad vs Northern Kingdoms in Witcher 2. Anything close to this will be cool. Give us two origins: Fereldan commoner or Orlesian Noble.
• The uprising/restoration of the elven race. - Enough of elves been oppresssed.. lets finally see the elves come back in style led by a charismatic leader. Give us the origins of the first Revas (elvish for freedom) who leads the elven race back to their former glory.
• Morrigan's God Baby - We all want to see the fate of Morrigan. 

So 5 different origins: Mage (or a Qunari mage), Templar, Fereldan Commoner, Orlesian Noble, and the First Revas (the elven William Wallace). 

Now integrate all four plots into a single game and I'm preordering DA3. 

Modifié par Savber100, 05 août 2011 - 09:04 .

[naledgeborn]

If you think the Warden and Hawke are coming back as full-fledged protagonists than you're setting yourself up for disappointment. 
Their (the Architect, Avernus, Warden/Morrigan, Hawke, and [now] Corypheus ect.) stories need to be wrapped up however. Keep them in the fridge too long people are going to lose interest and stop caring. I myself as an audience member would feel like I was betrayed by the storyteller if all these sub-plots are left unresolved. Till this day I hate Fox for canceling Fire Fly.

[Brockololly]

Savber100 wrote...

Morrigan's God Baby - We all want to see the fate of Morrigan.

I think, so long as we're a new PC, this plot is best left to the Warden or best not touched at all. I don't want to see Morrigan or the OGB shoved into some story for the sake of shoving them in. Again, I think much of the emotional engagement in certain companions and stories is as much in how the respective PC plays a role in things than the companions themselves.

Thats not to say Morrigan shouldn't or couldn't show up without the Warden but especially if the Warden went the Eluvian route the writers would have a pretty high bar to pass in my mind to justify why the Warden wouldn't be there with Morrigan and his kid. Sure, they could just off screen kill off or sideline the Warden, but I think they should only bring back old companions, especially LIs, whether its in a cameo or other role, if they're going to do a fantastic job in making sure the import is working right and they react to their past with the old PC.

Otherwise, just put new characters with a new PC. If they want to bring back old companions in a big way, bring back the old PC to maximize the player's connection to that story.

[macrocarl]

David Gaider wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...
Awww man! I'll miss Hawke. =(

Hawke isn't gone just yet.

Good to hear! I'd loves me some more Hawke! I really like the idea of new protagonists. Totally cool. I'm also glad that the plot flag thing will be fixed too. You guys are awesomely awesome.

[dsl08002]

i hope for everything in this world that the warden will be main character in DA3, because i got the feeling that hawke will only be a party member.

Why DA3 should have the warden is very obvious. First in DA2 they are talking in the end about him/her and you get the hope of that its not over for the warden.

Besides if you play DAO,DAA, dlc and DA2 then you understand that the warden is involved in great things, importent things and when you completed witch hunt dlc you get information from morrigan that changes are comming and that Flemeth will play a big part in it.

Then it is of course the voice of the warden and I also think that they will have three different voices for human,elf and dwarf.

But then it is this about all the events that has shaped the entire DA story and hawke only play a small part meanwhile The warden has left a huge imprint in the story such as

Destroyed the archdemon
Gather the entire Ferelden forces
Builed up loyalty from all races and characters
Party members are more importent and have a more impact on the story
Able to stop the darkspawn by help the architect and kill the mother in DAA
Then its about morrigan and the child because it should be the warden that discovers morrigans plans.

[FieryDove]

David Gaider wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...
Awww man! I'll miss Hawke. =(

Hawke isn't gone just yet.

Cliffhangers = bad. lol

I need to know where my Warden's disappeared too.
I need to know where Hawke disappeared too.
I need to know what happened to Morrigan + Mirror + Warden.

Dratted needful things. Hmm wasn't there a book like that?

[Ecf1]

David Gaider wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...
Awww man! I'll miss Hawke. =(

Hawke isn't gone just yet.

I'm reading way too much into this, but I'm taking this as more confirmed DLC or an expansion!

[The dead fish]

Brockololly wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Morrigan's God Baby - We all want to see the fate of Morrigan.

I think, so long as we're a new PC, this plot is best left to the Warden or best not touched at all. I don't want to see Morrigan or the OGB shoved into some story for the sake of shoving them in. Again, I think much of the emotional engagement in certain companions and stories is as much in how the respective PC plays a role in things than the companions themselves.

Thats not to say Morrigan shouldn't or couldn't show up without the Warden but especially if the Warden went the Eluvian route the writers would have a pretty high bar to pass in my mind to justify why the Warden wouldn't be there with Morrigan and his kid. Sure, they could just off screen kill off or sideline the Warden, but I think they should only bring back old companions, especially LIs, whether its in a cameo or other role, if they're going to do a fantastic job in making sure the import is working right and they react to their past with the old PC.

Otherwise, just put new characters with a new PC. If they want to bring back old companions in a big way, bring back the old PC to maximize the player's connection to that story.

I don't want to see Morrigan again, if it to have the same mess as Anders. Many people will scream if it happens.

Morrigan is one of the pillar of DAO.  She is truly loved... This is something that transcends the series. I prefer not to see it at all.

I'd rather see new characters.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 05 août 2011 - 09:22 .

[Savber100]

Sylvianus wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Morrigan's God Baby - We all want to see the fate of Morrigan.

I think, so long as we're a new PC, this plot is best left to the Warden or best not touched at all. I don't want to see Morrigan or the OGB shoved into some story for the sake of shoving them in. Again, I think much of the emotional engagement in certain companions and stories is as much in how the respective PC plays a role in things than the companions themselves.

Thats not to say Morrigan shouldn't or couldn't show up without the Warden but especially if the Warden went the Eluvian route the writers would have a pretty high bar to pass in my mind to justify why the Warden wouldn't be there with Morrigan and his kid. Sure, they could just off screen kill off or sideline the Warden, but I think they should only bring back old companions, especially LIs, whether its in a cameo or other role, if they're going to do a fantastic job in making sure the import is working right and they react to their past with the old PC.

Otherwise, just put new characters with a new PC. If they want to bring back old companions in a big way, bring back the old PC to maximize the player's connection to that story.

I don't want to see Morrigan again, if it to have the same mess as Anders. Many people will scream if it happens.

Morrigan is one of the pillar of DAO.  She is truly loved... This is something that transcends the series. I prefer not to see it at all.

I'd rather see new characters.

That's assuming that they'll butcher the appearances of these characters with another aesthetic redesign. 

Honestly, I can easily see Morrigan's God Baby being the driving force that binds all these plot arcs I mentioned into a climatic conclusion. 

[dsl08002]

The thing is that bioware has set a up very high expectations after the fiasco with DA2, how terrible it was as a sequal to DAO. I don´t see a way to let hawke to be the main character in DA# and it would be to many storys to keep track on if start on a new character, so bring the warden back because that was the first and best character and will always be the best character