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 So it's kind of obvious from some of the game content that some folks at Bioware are fans of Ender's Game.

Thinking about this fact, I starting thinking about Ender as a character. He spends 90% of the book inside his own head. No one else knows his fears and worries, because he has to be the good commander and never show that side of himself. Especially true after Mazer Rackham become's Ender's "enemy" (tutor), and starts drilling in that Ender has to be better than the best and can't falter.  The only way Ender can show his terrible worry at possibly being unable to save the universe from the Buggars is by gnawing on his own hands in his sleep. Ender only finally shows his closest friends his feelings AFTER victory is achieved, when he hugs them, crying, and says, "I don't have to be your commander anymore, do I? I don't want to command anybody again."

Compare this to many people's complaints about Shepard in ME2. That she never seems to talk about how awful it was for her to die and come back to life, and how that might worry her, and maybe how she is afraid she won't be able to stop the Reapers, etc.  Some considered this bad writing.  But I think they are writing Shepard as if she were Ender, only we don't get a narrator telling us that Shep is feeling angst - we just have to decide for ourselves whether she is feeling it or not. But what I think is that we're going to get a massively cathartic moment at the end of ME3, where the normally stone-faced Shepard will break down the way Ender does, crying, relieved, and finally happy to be free of the burden of saving the galaxy. 

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Oh yeah, and bonus points to Bioware if they actually have an option for Shepard to say the line "I don't have to be your commander anymore, do I? I don't want to command anybody again." and for the response of one of the squadmates (I'm looking at Garrus here) to reply: "You don't have to command anybody, but you're always our commander."

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Common tropes in sci-fi are just that: common tropes. While I love OSC's novels to death, I doubt highly that the parallels are overly intentional.

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Not farmilar with that story. Should check it out.

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leonia42 wrote...

Common tropes in sci-fi are just that: common tropes. While I love OSC's novels to death, I doubt highly that the parallels are overly intentional.


I wasn't trying to say that Mass Effect is Ender's Game, sorry if I didn't make myself clear.

I was trying to give a view of Shepard's emotional status based on a character that Bioware is obviously familiar with (and IIRC, Bioware has openly stated that they just take stuff they like from sci fi and put it in their games, which is what makes their games awesome).  

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shaneofthedead wrote...

Not farmilar with that story. Should check it out.


It's one of my favorite books.

I wish battle school was real. :(

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I think the emotional state is sort of an oversight by the writers, honestly. ME2's story and amount of character development is significantly less than what ME1 had.

But if we want to look at similiarities, what does the Rachni Queen remind you of? :)

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well what's a battle school!?!??!?!?!?!?

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leonia42 wrote...

I think the emotional state is sort of an oversight by the writers, honestly. ME2's story and amount of character development is significantly less than what ME1 had.


The question is, would you still feel that it was an 'oversight', if Shepard has a very visible emotional breakdown after the defeat of the Reapers, a flow of emotion that she's obviously been holding back? (done so in a hopefully well-written manner)  Wouldn't it then make his/her emotionlessness in the previous chapter seem more like planned writing by Bioware, to show that all this time Shepard has been holding up a mask, not wanting to see her uncertainties lest she endanger morale?

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shaneofthedead wrote...

well what's a battle school!?!??!?!?!?!?


Zero-g hand-to-hand and weapons combat training. For 10 year olds.

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shaneofthedead wrote...

Not farmilar with that story. Should check it out.


Ender's Game is amazing.

If you can avoid spoilers it has one of the best endings of any Sci Fi novel of all time. I knew nothing about the story before hand and was blown away.

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Han Shot First wrote...

shaneofthedead wrote...

Not farmilar with that story. Should check it out.


Ender's Game is amazing.

If you can avoid spoilers it has one of the best endings of any Sci Fi novel of all time. I knew nothing about the story before hand and was blown away.


Hell yeah. 

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Shepard is reapers.

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Fata Morgana wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

shaneofthedead wrote...

Not farmilar with that story. Should check it out.


Ender's Game is amazing.

If you can avoid spoilers it has one of the best endings of any Sci Fi novel of all time. I knew nothing about the story before hand and was blown away.


Hell yeah. 


Btw, I think the Rachni are the Buggers.

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Han Shot First wrote...

Fata Morgana wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

shaneofthedead wrote...

Not farmilar with that story. Should check it out.


Ender's Game is amazing.

If you can avoid spoilers it has one of the best endings of any Sci Fi novel of all time. I knew nothing about the story before hand and was blown away.


Hell yeah. 


Btw, I think the Rachni are the Buggers.


Yeah, the story of the Rachni is why I said that it's clear that at least one of the writers at Bioware is an Ender's game fan. One of the NPCs even calls them buggars. 

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zero g fighting for ten year olds?
sounds like a friday night to me.

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Fata Morgana wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

I think the emotional state is sort of an oversight by the writers, honestly. ME2's story and amount of character development is significantly less than what ME1 had.


The question is, would you still feel that it was an 'oversight', if Shepard has a very visible emotional breakdown after the defeat of the Reapers, a flow of emotion that she's obviously been holding back? (done so in a hopefully well-written manner)  Wouldn't it then make his/her emotionlessness in the previous chapter seem more like planned writing by Bioware, to show that all this time Shepard has been holding up a mask, not wanting to see her uncertainties lest she endanger morale?


Absolutely and I'd love to see this!

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leonia42 wrote...

Common tropes in sci-fi are just that: common tropes. While I love OSC's novels to death, I doubt highly that the parallels are overly intentional.


This. It's an interesting connection, but I wouldn't read too much into it. 

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ElitePinecone wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Common tropes in sci-fi are just that: common tropes. While I love OSC's novels to death, I doubt highly that the parallels are overly intentional.


This. It's an interesting connection, but I wouldn't read too much into it. 


That is true to a certain extent, but I think someone on Bioware's team was clearly inspired by Ender's Game. There are too many similarities between the Rachni and the Buggers for it to be mere coincidence. They are practically identical.

Both are insect races.

Both have intelligent, sapient queens.

Both have 'worker' or 'warrior' members of the species that are less sapient than Queens, and have an animal like intelligence.

Both have queens that communicate telepathically.

Both species are controlled by a sort of hive mind.

Both are misunderstood and initially percieved as being warlike and aggressive, when the species is actually very peaceful.

The Rachni, in a possible Easter egg, are referred to as 'buggers' by an NPC in game.


And, MASSIVE ENDER'S GAME SPOILER AHEAD................
























Both species end up the victims of xenocide and are wiped out at some point in their history.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 05 août 2011 - 06:14 .


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 But what I think is that we're going to get a massively cathartic moment at the end of ME3, where the normally stone-faced Shepard will break down the way Ender does, crying, relieved, and finally happy to be free of the burden of saving the galaxy. 

Shepard's job will NEVER be done.

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Han Shot First wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Common tropes in sci-fi are just that: common tropes. While I love OSC's novels to death, I doubt highly that the parallels are overly intentional.


This. It's an interesting connection, but I wouldn't read too much into it. 


That is true to a certain extent, but I think someone on Bioware's team was clearly inspired by Ender's Game. There are too many similarities between the Rachni and the Buggers for it to be mere coincidence. They are practically identical.

Both are insect races.

Both have intelligent, sapient queens.

Both have 'worker' or 'warrior' members of the species that are less sapient than Queens, and have an animal like intelligence.

Both have queens that communicate telepathically.

Both species are controlled by a sort of hive mind.


Also, it's kind of interesting that the collectors seem to follow the bugger model as well, at least as far as the above points go. 

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"The Enemy's gate is always down."

Massive Spoilers for Ender's Game follow.

And I kind of disagree. I think the whole point of Ender was, he could only do what he did, because he didn't know what he was actually doing. He fought the entire war as a training exercise, without realizing he was committing genocide. The point being, supposedly, that no one who realized what they were doing could possibly sit back and wipe a species from the face of the universe.

Frankly, that premise is kind of ridiculous, even if the rest of the book is awesome.

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Er, there are many themes aside from the spoilery one you mentioned (is there non way to put spoiler tags on this forum? That twist is a major one in the book, and I wouldn't want someone who hasn't read it to stumble across it).

One of the largest themes is Ender (Paragon) becoming more like Peter (Renegade) throughout the book, and it happening almost without him realizing it. Meanwhile the Renegade becomes much more like the Paragon than anyone could have expected. Even Valentine has more mix of the two sides than one would expect when first introduced to her. And that Paragon/Renegade split is a theme of Mass Effect, too, if you take the game as a whole.

There's also the theme of being used by whatever organization needs you, and not really having a say in that; It happens to Ender, and it definitely happens to Shep - first with the Alliance, then with Cerberus.

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I've never thought about it but, when you put it like that, their mental states are rather similar. And I believe one of the Devs( I think the writer) said in ME3, we'll have the opprotunity to explore Shepard's personality... or we could just say we're here to shoot things.

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Shepard reminds me more of Duncan Idaho from the Dune series. Both characters share a lot of similarities.

For example, Shepard goes from being a famous soldier(Duncan's role in Dune) to the key to humanity's survival (Duncans role in the God Emperor of Dune).  Here are so more similarities.


-Shepards relationship with Captain Anderson is similary to Duncan's relationship with Duke Leto.
-Both have a strong sense of Justice. (If played as a paragon.)
-Both are revered for their skills in battle.
-Both have died and been resurrected.

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