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[HK01]

Hmm, nice theory, but I don't like it. It would be too...convenient. Blowing up the base in dark space and by doing so disabling the Reapers? Meh, I'm not digging it. Also, I find the concept of these giant, sentient spaceships which are basically an entire race turned into a single mind/machine much cooler than them merely being vessels controlled by some "pilot".

[CptBomBom00]

NIce theory and it would be a surprise if some parts of it would be true I ME3.

[capn233]

The Hanar are lying. They are actually the original intelligent race and really built the Reapers. They have used them to wipe out every other intelligent race and cover up any evidence about the link between them.

[Sajuro]

C2NLY wrote...

Been throwing this around in my head for a bit, if harbinger controlled the collector general, and theres millions more reapers with him, couldnt they do the same to other people, slowly and discreetly collecting intel for the forthcoming attack, and givign assists when they do come (deactivating AA guns etc.) sort of like sleeper agents.

Duh, the Heretic Geth created skin jobs to aid the reapers when they finally arrive

[CrippleFox]

All of the Reapers seen at the end of Mass Effect 2 are insect like in design. The humans couldn't be the first race to get their own Reaper that is humanoid especially since this has been going on for millions of years at least. My theory is that the human Reaper is actually just the mind that runs the Reapers shell. Each shell may be generic and insect looking, but the core of it is based on the species that were wiped out and processed by the Reapers. Every 50,000 years the Reapers return from dark space to begin their reproduction cycles. This includes harvesting all of the species and reducing the suitable ones down to genetic paste in order to create new Reapers, possibly to replace old ones or maybe they last forever. As for indoctrination, it is just something they have developed in order to secure their passage into the known galaxy and siege of the Citadel and later the rest of the galaxy. After all, Reapers are not invincible, just very strong, so they needed the help of the species they're about to harvest.

[BlackAdder117]

Great theory mate! I've always thought that the Reapers would have had some form of HQ or that the Citadel had some other twin Relay...How else could they get here then?

Apart from when they show up out of - seemingly - no where in ME3, that's the only known way they can enter the Milky Way quickly so far.

[onelifecrisis]

Great theory OP. I'm still reading through the rest of the thread but wanted to quickly comment on this post...

SandTrout wrote...

1) I am firmly in the camp that considers the fact that Sovereign's shields went down and the loss of Robo-Saren did not have a cause-effect relationship, but rather, were dramatic coincidence. It does not make sense to me that a remote controlled Sovereign would give up its position simply because of the loss of its avatar, or waste the avatar to take down Shepard unless Sovereign was about to be defeated by the fleet w/o aid from other Reapers.

I agree. I gather someone from BW tweeted that the two ARE connected... but in that case why does the Mass Effect Origins comic suggest that Sovereign fell to (slightly) superior firepower, and mention nothing of Saren being Sovereign's remote shield generator? It doesn't make sense.

/sorry for off-topic

[111987]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Great theory OP. I'm still reading through the rest of the thread but wanted to quickly comment on this post...

SandTrout wrote...

1) I am firmly in the camp that considers the fact that Sovereign's shields went down and the loss of Robo-Saren did not have a cause-effect relationship, but rather, were dramatic coincidence. It does not make sense to me that a remote controlled Sovereign would give up its position simply because of the loss of its avatar, or waste the avatar to take down Shepard unless Sovereign was about to be defeated by the fleet w/o aid from other Reapers.

I agree. I gather someone from BW tweeted that the two ARE connected... but in that case why does the Mass Effect Origins comic suggest that Sovereign fell to (slightly) superior firepower, and mention nothing of Saren being Sovereign's remote shield generator? It doesn't make sense.

/sorry for off-topic

Do you mean Mass Effect: Genesis? If so, that is the same comic that sumarized the first game...without a single mention of the Geth. You can't expect too much detail from something like that.

[onelifecrisis]

111987 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Great theory OP. I'm still reading through the rest of the thread but wanted to quickly comment on this post...

SandTrout wrote...

1) I am firmly in the camp that considers the fact that Sovereign's shields went down and the loss of Robo-Saren did not have a cause-effect relationship, but rather, were dramatic coincidence. It does not make sense to me that a remote controlled Sovereign would give up its position simply because of the loss of its avatar, or waste the avatar to take down Shepard unless Sovereign was about to be defeated by the fleet w/o aid from other Reapers.

I agree. I gather someone from BW tweeted that the two ARE connected... but in that case why does the Mass Effect Origins comic suggest that Sovereign fell to (slightly) superior firepower, and mention nothing of Saren being Sovereign's remote shield generator? It doesn't make sense.

/sorry for off-topic

Do you mean Mass Effect: Genesis? If so, that is the same comic that sumarized the first game...without a single mention of the Geth. You can't expect too much detail from something like that.

Yeah sorry Genesis (haven't had my morning coffee yet )

As for your point, Shepard describes the battle in the comic, and how Sovereign fell. It's one thing to leave details out of a short comic, but it's quite another to put wrong details into it.

"It took the combined forces of the human and citadel fleets, but eventually Sovereign fell."

This is quite different to

"It took 1 shot from a frigate after I took out it's remote shield generator. As far as we know, every shot before that had no effect"

And let's not forget Vigil, who IIRC said that a large fleet could destroy a reaper through sheer firepower.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 25 octobre 2011 - 06:55 .

[111987]

onelifecrisis wrote...

111987 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Great theory OP. I'm still reading through the rest of the thread but wanted to quickly comment on this post...

SandTrout wrote...

1) I am firmly in the camp that considers the fact that Sovereign's shields went down and the loss of Robo-Saren did not have a cause-effect relationship, but rather, were dramatic coincidence. It does not make sense to me that a remote controlled Sovereign would give up its position simply because of the loss of its avatar, or waste the avatar to take down Shepard unless Sovereign was about to be defeated by the fleet w/o aid from other Reapers.

I agree. I gather someone from BW tweeted that the two ARE connected... but in that case why does the Mass Effect Origins comic suggest that Sovereign fell to (slightly) superior firepower, and mention nothing of Saren being Sovereign's remote shield generator? It doesn't make sense.

/sorry for off-topic

Do you mean Mass Effect: Genesis? If so, that is the same comic that sumarized the first game...without a single mention of the Geth. You can't expect too much detail from something like that.

Yeah sorry Genesis (haven't had my morning coffee yet )

As for your point, Shepard describes the battle in the comic, and how Sovereign fell. It's one thing to leave details out of a short comic, but it's quite another to put wrong details into it.

It's possible Shepard hadn't made the connection at the time. After all Shepard had no way of knowing how to fleet battle was progressing.

[onelifecrisis]

Sorry I edited my post, see above.

111987 wrote...

It's possible Shepard hadn't made the connection at the time. After all Shepard had no way of knowing how to fleet battle was progressing.

Mmm, so Shepard doesn't realise the "obvious" connection between Saren's 2nd death and the shields going down?

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 25 octobre 2011 - 06:57 .

[111987]

In response to your edited post; yes Shepard's lines do suggest that the fleet simply took Sovereign down. But I reiterate that it's possible Shepard hadn't made the connection yet; possibly he still hasn't. After all, us fans debated the subject until a developer clarified it.

A large fleet can take a Reaper down, yes. A subsequent dev tweet stated that Sovereign would have eventually been taken down, but would have inflicted significantly more casualties on the Citadel fleets by the time it was destroyed.

onelifecrisis wrote...

Mmm, so Shepard doesn't realise the "obvious" connection between Saren's 2nd death and the shields going down?

Many fans didn't. And Shepard also had no way of seeing the fleet battle, like us (the players) got to see. If Shepard had seen that Sovereign didn't just lose its shields, but lost all power, perhaps he would have made the connection.

Modifié par 111987, 25 octobre 2011 - 07:01 .

[onelifecrisis]

111987 wrote...

In response to your edited post; yes Shepard's lines do suggest that the fleet simply took Sovereign down. But I reiterate that it's possible Shepard hadn't made the connection yet; possibly he still hasn't. After all, us fans debated the subject until a developer clarified it.

A large fleet can take a Reaper down, yes. A subsequent dev tweet stated that Sovereign would have eventually been taken down, but would have inflicted significantly more casualties on the Citadel fleets by the time it was destroyed.

onelifecrisis wrote...

Mmm, so Shepard doesn't realise the "obvious" connection between Saren's 2nd death and the shields going down?

Many fans didn't. And Shepard also had no way of seeing the fleet battle, like us (the players) got to see. If Shepard had seen that Sovereign didn't just lose its shields, but lost all power, perhaps he would have made the connection.

While it's tempting to argue that point, it's ultimately moot. The comic is there to clue in players who didn't play the first game. Why feed those players misinformation?

(edited for typos)

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 25 octobre 2011 - 07:03 .

[111987]

onelifecrisis wrote...

111987 wrote...

In response to your edited post; yes Shepard's lines do suggest that the fleet simply took Sovereign down. But I reiterate that it's possible Shepard hadn't made the connection yet; possibly he still hasn't. After all, us fans debated the subject until a developer clarified it.

A large fleet can take a Reaper down, yes. A subsequent dev tweet stated that Sovereign would have eventually been taken down, but would have inflicted significantly more casualties on the Citadel fleets by the time it was destroyed.

onelifecrisis wrote...

Mmm, so Shepard doesn't realise the "obvious" connection between Saren's 2nd death and the shields going down?

Many fans didn't. And Shepard also had no way of seeing the fleet battle, like us (the players) got to see. If Shepard had seen that Sovereign didn't just lose its shields, but lost all power, perhaps he would have made the connection.

While it's tempting to argue that point, it's ultimately moot. The comic is there to clue in players who didn't play the first game. Why feed those players misinformation?

(edited for typos)

That's more of a critique and failing of the comic than the concept though. As i said, Genesis failed to mention the Geth; they were kind of important in the first game. Not to mention Feros and the Prothean Cipher are also omitted. The comic was very disappointing.

[onelifecrisis]

111987 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

111987 wrote...

In response to your edited post; yes Shepard's lines do suggest that the fleet simply took Sovereign down. But I reiterate that it's possible Shepard hadn't made the connection yet; possibly he still hasn't. After all, us fans debated the subject until a developer clarified it.

A large fleet can take a Reaper down, yes. A subsequent dev tweet stated that Sovereign would have eventually been taken down, but would have inflicted significantly more casualties on the Citadel fleets by the time it was destroyed.

onelifecrisis wrote...

Mmm, so Shepard doesn't realise the "obvious" connection between Saren's 2nd death and the shields going down?

Many fans didn't. And Shepard also had no way of seeing the fleet battle, like us (the players) got to see. If Shepard had seen that Sovereign didn't just lose its shields, but lost all power, perhaps he would have made the connection.

While it's tempting to argue that point, it's ultimately moot. The comic is there to clue in players who didn't play the first game. Why feed those players misinformation?

(edited for typos)

That's more of a critique and failing of the comic than the concept though. As i said, Genesis failed to mention the Geth; they were kind of important in the first game. Not to mention Feros and the Prothean Cipher are also omitted. The comic was very disappointing.

As I said, leaving out information is one thing, adding misinformation is quite another.

Regardless, one of the things I like about the theory presented here by the OP is that it offers an explanation for this. I'm not saying I'm buying into the whole theory, but IMO that one part is certainly better than durr remote shield generator down.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 25 octobre 2011 - 07:12 .

[111987]

onelifecrisis wrote...

111987 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

111987 wrote...

In response to your edited post; yes Shepard's lines do suggest that the fleet simply took Sovereign down. But I reiterate that it's possible Shepard hadn't made the connection yet; possibly he still hasn't. After all, us fans debated the subject until a developer clarified it.

A large fleet can take a Reaper down, yes. A subsequent dev tweet stated that Sovereign would have eventually been taken down, but would have inflicted significantly more casualties on the Citadel fleets by the time it was destroyed.

onelifecrisis wrote...

Mmm, so Shepard doesn't realise the "obvious" connection between Saren's 2nd death and the shields going down?

Many fans didn't. And Shepard also had no way of seeing the fleet battle, like us (the players) got to see. If Shepard had seen that Sovereign didn't just lose its shields, but lost all power, perhaps he would have made the connection.

While it's tempting to argue that point, it's ultimately moot. The comic is there to clue in players who didn't play the first game. Why feed those players misinformation?

(edited for typos)

That's more of a critique and failing of the comic than the concept though. As i said, Genesis failed to mention the Geth; they were kind of important in the first game. Not to mention Feros and the Prothean Cipher are also omitted. The comic was very disappointing.

As I said, leaving out information is one thing, adding misinformation is quite another.

Regardless, one of the things I like about the theory presented here by the OP is that it offers an explanation for this. I'm not saying I'm buying into the whole theory, but IMO that one part is certainly better than durr remote shield generator down.

The OP does offer an interesting alternative, but the dev tweets directly contradict the idea. Sovereign fell because its avatar was destroyed. The fleet would have eventually taken it down, but it wasn't near the brink of defeat. You don't have to like it, but it appears to be the official word on the subject.

[onelifecrisis]

111987 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

111987 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

111987 wrote...

In response to your edited post; yes Shepard's lines do suggest that the fleet simply took Sovereign down. But I reiterate that it's possible Shepard hadn't made the connection yet; possibly he still hasn't. After all, us fans debated the subject until a developer clarified it.

A large fleet can take a Reaper down, yes. A subsequent dev tweet stated that Sovereign would have eventually been taken down, but would have inflicted significantly more casualties on the Citadel fleets by the time it was destroyed.

onelifecrisis wrote...

Mmm, so Shepard doesn't realise the "obvious" connection between Saren's 2nd death and the shields going down?

Many fans didn't. And Shepard also had no way of seeing the fleet battle, like us (the players) got to see. If Shepard had seen that Sovereign didn't just lose its shields, but lost all power, perhaps he would have made the connection.

While it's tempting to argue that point, it's ultimately moot. The comic is there to clue in players who didn't play the first game. Why feed those players misinformation?

(edited for typos)

That's more of a critique and failing of the comic than the concept though. As i said, Genesis failed to mention the Geth; they were kind of important in the first game. Not to mention Feros and the Prothean Cipher are also omitted. The comic was very disappointing.

As I said, leaving out information is one thing, adding misinformation is quite another.

Regardless, one of the things I like about the theory presented here by the OP is that it offers an explanation for this. I'm not saying I'm buying into the whole theory, but IMO that one part is certainly better than durr remote shield generator down.

The OP does offer an interesting alternative, but the dev tweets directly contradict the idea. Sovereign fell because its avatar was destroyed. The fleet would have eventually taken it down, but it wasn't near the brink of defeat. You don't have to like it, but it appears to be the official word on the subject.

Unless the distinction turns out to matter in ME3, I'm going with death of the author.

Edit: Added a link just in case anyone thought I was planning to assassinate Drew and Mac.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 25 octobre 2011 - 09:05 .

[JKA_Nozyspy]

This is an ingenious and magnificent theory, but it just seems like a little too much of a plot twist, even for Bioware. Still, fantastic work here man!

[Dexi]

Um, actually, it's not THAT far away from what's really going to happen based on the leak...

[Sebbe1337o]

Wow, cool theory. I hope this is close to the truth in the game!
You're awesome man!



EDIT: A way then to go to Reaper HQ would be to travel through the Citadel Relay. I hope this will be the final mission in ME3.

Modifié par Sebbe1337o, 14 novembre 2011 - 02:15 .

[marstor05]

Sebbe1337o wrote...

Wow, cool theory. I hope this is close to the truth in the game!
You're awesome man!



EDIT: A way then to go to Reaper HQ would be to travel through the Citadel Relay. I hope this will be the final mission in ME3.

Well I'm not going to spoil it for you but..........  

[Sebbe1337o]

marstor05 wrote...

Sebbe1337o wrote...

Wow, cool theory. I hope this is close to the truth in the game!
You're awesome man!



EDIT: A way then to go to Reaper HQ would be to travel through the Citadel Relay. I hope this will be the final mission in ME3.

Well I'm not going to spoil it for you but..........  

Haha XD
Well, I guess I'm very happy then 


EDIT: If you're not trolling, then OP must have read the leak as well lol.

Modifié par Sebbe1337o, 14 novembre 2011 - 02:40 .

[Sebbe1337o]

Arcian wrote...

Sebbe1337o wrote...

EDIT: If you're not trolling, then OP must have read the leak as well lol.

I have read the leak, but I wrote this long before the leak happened.

"Created 3 months ago"

Okay, I believe you