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[TEWR]

I wouldn't support her. While an excellent way to demoralize the Templars, the damage the abomination Templars may cause could be too much since it can't be controlled. Good Templars and mages might get killed in the process.

Plus, she looks like she lost a battle with a box of 64 crayons.

Now, I'd definitely support Idunna.

The game does need evil mages as well as good ones, along with evil Templars and good ones. But they need to be portrayed fairly and in a well done manner. Quentin and Tarohne are good examples of how the evil side mages should be portrayed imo.

Quentin's love for his wife drove him to insanity and to become a murderer. While that doesn't make him evil as in "MUAHAHAHAHA", it did show the darker side of magic and how a mage who isn't able to handle the death of a loved one might react. To that end, it only shows that they need to be trained in more than just how to handle magic. They need to learn how to handle death.

Tarohne was power-hungry and wanted an Imperium 2.0. I imagine she was a part of the violent resolutionists at one point. This showed how badly a small minority group of violent mages could be.

But that only speaks to a small portion of mages, and not the majority. Anders himself said that he hasn't met a mage that wanted to rule over anything (the game does have a failing part if he says this after the Tarohne quest, but that's irrelevant)

But Grace, Decimus, and Orsino should've been portrayed as good mages who don't do anything that makes you have to kill them. And I know just how I'm going to portray them in my Hawke fanfic.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 13 août 2011 - 05:08 .

[Xilizhra]

Well, true. A shame about her being bad at picking victims.

[Shadow Fox]

Rifneno wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

esper wrote...
About Idunna is there anyway to not send her to the templars or kill her? I can't find a let her go option which I really wish there were.

Forgive me it's early but WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?  She was complicit in the murder of how many people, she was going  to kill you, your friends, the lady who shows you the books, and for what?  Not to keep herself safe or ensure her freedom, but as part of some demented plan to raise another Imperium.  And you honestly want to let her go?  You are sitting in a room with an unrepentant murderer who just tried to make you their next victim and you're seriously thinking about letting them go?

But it's okay because she was killing EVIL Templars!

"You jest, but it's the truth! :(" - Grand Wizard Elthina

Yes because it's perfectly resonable to want all Templars dead because of guilt by associasion,free a mass murdering mage and allow the rise of another Tevinter anything is acceptable for the freedom of poor delicate mages even becoming as bad as the worst templars.

[Rifneno]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
Yes because it's perfectly resonable to want all Templars dead because of guilt by associasion,free a mass murdering mage and allow the rise of another Tevinter anything is acceptable for the freedom of poor delicate mages even becoming as bad as the worst templars.

Sorry, I missed most of that.  After you condemned her for wanting to kill a bunch of people for guilt by association, I couldn't stop laughing until well after you were finished.

[Xilizhra]

Rifneno wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
Yes because it's perfectly resonable to want all Templars dead because of guilt by associasion,free a mass murdering mage and allow the rise of another Tevinter anything is acceptable for the freedom of poor delicate mages even becoming as bad as the worst templars.

Sorry, I missed most of that.  After you condemned her for wanting to kill a bunch of people for guilt by association, I couldn't stop laughing until well after you were finished.

Well... Wilmod and Keran were both decent sorts.

[TEWR]

Idunna does repent, so I see nothing wrong with letting her live save for the fact that I can't bust her out of the Gallows.

[Rifneno]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well... Wilmod and Keran were both decent sorts.

It's not what was said, it's who said it.

[Xilizhra]

Rifneno wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well... Wilmod and Keran were both decent sorts.

It's not what was said, it's who said it.

Ah, right.

[Shadow Fox]

Rifneno wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
Yes because it's perfectly resonable to want all Templars dead because of guilt by associasion,free a mass murdering mage and allow the rise of another Tevinter anything is acceptable for the freedom of poor delicate mages even becoming as bad as the worst templars.

Sorry, I missed most of that.  After you condemned her for wanting to kill a bunch of people for guilt by association, I couldn't stop laughing until well after you were finished.

Nope just pointing out how hypocritical you pro mage folks can be.

[The Baconer]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
Yes because it's perfectly resonable to want all Templars dead because of guilt by associasion,free a mass murdering mage and allow the rise of another Tevinter anything is acceptable for the freedom of poor delicate mages even becoming as bad as the worst templars.

Well, yeah. They're mundanes.

[TEWR]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
Yes because it's perfectly resonable to want all Templars dead because of guilt by associasion,free a mass murdering mage and allow the rise of another Tevinter anything is acceptable for the freedom of poor delicate mages even becoming as bad as the worst templars.

Sorry, I missed most of that.  After you condemned her for wanting to kill a bunch of people for guilt by association, I couldn't stop laughing until well after you were finished.

Nope just pointing out how hypocritical you pro mage folks can be.

I most certainly am not a hypocritical pro-mage person, nor am I a folk.


edit: seriously, I'm actually not a hypocritical pro-mage person.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 13 août 2011 - 05:24 .

[Shadow Fox]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
Yes because it's perfectly resonable to want all Templars dead because of guilt by associasion,free a mass murdering mage and allow the rise of another Tevinter anything is acceptable for the freedom of poor delicate mages even becoming as bad as the worst templars.

Sorry, I missed most of that.  After you condemned her for wanting to kill a bunch of people for guilt by association, I couldn't stop laughing until well after you were finished.

Nope just pointing out how hypocritical you pro mage folks can be.

I most certainly am not a hypocritical pro-mage person, nor am I a folk.


edit: seriously, I'm actually not a hypocritical pro-mage person.

I didn't mean you there are some resonable people who support either here after all and you happen to be one of them.*the resonable people*

[LobselVith8]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Idunna does repent, so I see nothing wrong with letting her live save for the fact that I can't bust her out of the Gallows.

I'd assume Idunna leaves during the mass exodus that can happen if Hawke decides to protect the mages from Meredith and her army along with the "many survivors" who are mentioned by Varric.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Quick question: Is Idunna present in the "Last Stand" scenario for the mage side? Like how some of the other mages you've met are present.

[Rifneno]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Quick question: Is Idunna present in the "Last Stand" scenario for the mage side? Like how some of the other mages you've met are present.

No.

[Tainan7509]

IN DA2:
My opinion on blood mages?
They are just trouble makers. That's all.

My opinion on templars?
They are responsible for those trouble makers.

My opinion on blood magic?
It is an evil path just like The sith in the Star Wars.

Modifié par Tainan7509, 13 août 2011 - 01:36 .

[dragonflight288]

But of course if there wasn't evil in the world then the game wouldn't be fun.

[DKJaigen]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Sepewrath wrote...

You know the whole, protect yourself from a blood mage, by having your own blood mage, but what if they betray you thing is moot. Because Kings and such protect themselves from guys with swords and stuff, by giving other guys swords and stuff and telling them to stand next to them, its no different. And that practice still holds true today, just with guns. where they don't even have to be that close to you. The point is, your only suppose to have people around you, you can trust, no matter what they can do or what they have on them.

Dead is dead. But that is far from the point. A blood mage does not have to kill you, he can force you, without you ever realizing, to make decisions you wouldn't on your own. He can literally be your puppetmaster. A councillor can only go so far in manipulation, after that it must be a knife in the back.

And I doubt the Litany of Adralla is easy to replicate, if possible at all, or it would already have been done.

Emperor ignorance is not a strenght in such matters. You need people that can identify rogue bloodmages and the only way to do so is being a bloodmage as they are the only ones who understand this type of magic. Also their are plenty of honourable people among the mages that will keep true to their mission. and with some peer revieuw you can have a well discplined taskforce that removes rogue bloodmages without succumbing to corruption.

The best manipulaters always appear honorable, and incapable of deciet. The man you trust the most, can easily be your worst enemy, when it comes to the game of power.

I'm sure there are honorable folk amongst the mages, and luckily enough, you don't need to be a blood mage to protect against it. Bethany breaks Idunna's hold over Hawke, and Bethany is most certainly not a blood mage.

Doesnt that mean i cannot trust a single human being. because thats what you imply. Bethany or even mage hawke breaks Idunna's spell but stil doesnt excuse you to be ignorant. One day in DA you will find a BM thats has perfected his art and their is nothing the templars can do stop him because no one knows how to stop. Ignorance is not a strenght. Its a collosal weakness in the face who have wisdom and knowledge

[dragonflight288]

But if we live our lives without trusting anyone, no friends or loved ones, then we haven't truly lived at all.

[LobselVith8]

Tainan7509 wrote...

IN DA2:
My opinion on blood mages?
They are just trouble makers. That's all.

My opinion on templars?
They are responsible for those trouble makers.

My opinion on blood magic?
It is an evil path just like The sith in the Star Wars.

I'm surprised so many view blood magic as an evil path. There are Grey Warden mages who use blood magic to stop the darkspawn, and The Joining can be viewed as blood magic, so I don't see blood mages as an "evil" path, especially if the mages use it to protect themselves against the templars who can nullify their magical abilities.

[Xilizhra]

I wonder... can templars in fact nullify blood magic, considering how different its source is from standard magic?

[esper]

Doesn't the templars ability somehow temporaly cut the connection to the Fade thus renderng the normal magic ablilites usesless.
Blood magic should be immune to mana-drain.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Dispel magic works just as well on blood magic as any other kind of magic. The Templars can't drain a blood mage of blood, like they can drain a mundane mage of mana though, which is why blood magic offers a slight advantage, if you wish to fight a Templar.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 13 août 2011 - 03:53 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

DKJaigen wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Sepewrath wrote...

You know the whole, protect yourself from a blood mage, by having your own blood mage, but what if they betray you thing is moot. Because Kings and such protect themselves from guys with swords and stuff, by giving other guys swords and stuff and telling them to stand next to them, its no different. And that practice still holds true today, just with guns. where they don't even have to be that close to you. The point is, your only suppose to have people around you, you can trust, no matter what they can do or what they have on them.

Dead is dead. But that is far from the point. A blood mage does not have to kill you, he can force you, without you ever realizing, to make decisions you wouldn't on your own. He can literally be your puppetmaster. A councillor can only go so far in manipulation, after that it must be a knife in the back.

And I doubt the Litany of Adralla is easy to replicate, if possible at all, or it would already have been done.

Emperor ignorance is not a strenght in such matters. You need people that can identify rogue bloodmages and the only way to do so is being a bloodmage as they are the only ones who understand this type of magic. Also their are plenty of honourable people among the mages that will keep true to their mission. and with some peer revieuw you can have a well discplined taskforce that removes rogue bloodmages without succumbing to corruption.

The best manipulaters always appear honorable, and incapable of deciet. The man you trust the most, can easily be your worst enemy, when it comes to the game of power.

I'm sure there are honorable folk amongst the mages, and luckily enough, you don't need to be a blood mage to protect against it. Bethany breaks Idunna's hold over Hawke, and Bethany is most certainly not a blood mage.

Doesnt that mean i cannot trust a single human being. because thats what you imply. Bethany or even mage hawke breaks Idunna's spell but stil doesnt excuse you to be ignorant. One day in DA you will find a BM thats has perfected his art and their is nothing the templars can do stop him because no one knows how to stop. Ignorance is not a strenght. Its a collosal weakness in the face who have wisdom and knowledge

Indeed, one of the most important rules in the game of power, is to never trust anyone. No one at all. If you can accept that, and live with it, then you can master the game. Most people are, luckily, reluctant to live such a life, though it is the only way to be safe in such a game.

And you can study blood magic, and how knowledge of the arts without being a blood mage. I am not saying you should have no knowledge of blood magic, I'm saying you should never trust a practioner of it.

[Xilizhra]

I trusted Merrill. It worked out just fine.