Its not evil
all depending on how its used and the skills for it obtained.
i myself am good with Blood magic.i wouldnt use it tell years of research and studying.even then still limited with the use tell i fully understood it.
What is your opinion on blood magic?
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Posté 17 mai 2012 - 12:22
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I too was initially anti-blood magic and anti demonology. But as I evolved, examples came to mind that changed my perspective.
1) Soldiers Peak: OK - bottom line is Sophia broke neutrality to try to bump off the guy who forced her to take the black . . . er . . . join the Wardens in the first place. Not a very noble start. Avernus eagerly learns demonology and ultimately fails to control the demons in the battle with Arlands forces. BUT . . . after he retreats he uses blood and taint to trap the demons, preventing them from running amok through Thedas. Sacrificing his comrades is hardcore, but it protected the country and those sacrificed died protecting Thedas . . . which was their job in the first place. So once he helps my PC seal the Veil, I don't judge him. I expect him to research ethically from that point forward. However, his protecting Thedas from his mistake and extending his life to do so really did justify the means.
2) Merrill: Good intentions. Uncoruppted until her story arc. Uses multiple demons along the way to no ill effect. She knows which demons she can control and which she can't. Also uses blood magic for all kinds of good if your Hawke is a "good" character. When her story reaches its arc, has the presence of mind to bring Hawke and company along specifically to slay her if she becomes an abomination. I see no problem with her ethical compass or her safety awareness.
3) Warden Mage: I only used BM for good.
4) Morrigan: States the Dark Ritual is called blood magic by some. Despite her sometimes social inappropriateness, with the correct conversation options she becomes a character my PC trusts to know what she is doing. Her stated intentions are to raise OGB and teach it to respect that from whence it came. If true, a lot of good could come from this.
So depending how I'm roll plaing, BM is OK as long as it is in wise hands.
1) Soldiers Peak: OK - bottom line is Sophia broke neutrality to try to bump off the guy who forced her to take the black . . . er . . . join the Wardens in the first place. Not a very noble start. Avernus eagerly learns demonology and ultimately fails to control the demons in the battle with Arlands forces. BUT . . . after he retreats he uses blood and taint to trap the demons, preventing them from running amok through Thedas. Sacrificing his comrades is hardcore, but it protected the country and those sacrificed died protecting Thedas . . . which was their job in the first place. So once he helps my PC seal the Veil, I don't judge him. I expect him to research ethically from that point forward. However, his protecting Thedas from his mistake and extending his life to do so really did justify the means.
2) Merrill: Good intentions. Uncoruppted until her story arc. Uses multiple demons along the way to no ill effect. She knows which demons she can control and which she can't. Also uses blood magic for all kinds of good if your Hawke is a "good" character. When her story reaches its arc, has the presence of mind to bring Hawke and company along specifically to slay her if she becomes an abomination. I see no problem with her ethical compass or her safety awareness.
3) Warden Mage: I only used BM for good.
4) Morrigan: States the Dark Ritual is called blood magic by some. Despite her sometimes social inappropriateness, with the correct conversation options she becomes a character my PC trusts to know what she is doing. Her stated intentions are to raise OGB and teach it to respect that from whence it came. If true, a lot of good could come from this.
So depending how I'm roll plaing, BM is OK as long as it is in wise hands.
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Posté 18 mai 2012 - 05:22
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I believe it's no more "evil" than, for example, Entropy magic. It's a powerful school of magic, but it comes with heavier risks than the others. You can use it in "evil" ways, but the same is true for the other schools (except maybe Creation, unless you count healing "evil" characters).
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Posté 18 mai 2012 - 10:54
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Someone referenced guns and the quote "guns don't kill people, people kill people". I think the gun control debate is a decent analogy. Guns are dangerous and can be used to kill easily. But at the end it is up to the person wielding the gun. I believe that. But I also believe that there are too many people who would not handle a gun responsibly and it should be regulated. I guess I have a moderate position. Then you have people who are really against guns and almost look at it as "evil". And of course you have the strong gun supporters like NRA style. I thought it was interesting that there is a circle within the circle that are called the Libertarians. And they are the ones who want more freedom and in DA:O, they supported Uldred (maybe Uldred was a Libertarian, I can't remember for sure). It is interesting because it's like the Libertarian party in the US (and Canada). They are very supportive of gun rights because they believe in small government and minimal regulations.
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Posté 18 mai 2012 - 11:00
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Blood magic is a tool for demons to bestow on Mages tricking them into deals of great power only to serve as a demon's host and wreck terrible havok.
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Posté 18 mai 2012 - 11:20
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Well i dont think blood magic is that bad but if in the wrong hands and do wrong things then its evil take on DAO on the mage origin story jowan lied to lily said he was not a blood mage yet when you leave that area and get to the grand hall the first enchanter talks about how dissappointed he is in the warden and after that templars get lily he right out of the blue used blood magic and did not even tell lily or the warden he did it and even harmed templars so BM is not bad but it has to be in the right hands other wise its evil so thats what i think.
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Posté 18 mai 2012 - 11:26
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Jowan's actually an example of a good mage using blood magic, not a bad one.
Given Lily's stance on blood magic and the fact that he was threatened with Tranquility because he was spotted practicing it by an anonymous "tipster" -- I believe it was Uldred -- you can hardly blame him for keeping it secret.
Had he told his best friend or his girlfriend that he was a blood mage, that'd only further the idea that he should be made Tranquil and lose his free will and emotions.
It's after the Circle Tower you should look at and make your opinions on whether he's a good blood mage or not. And he ends up using his blood magic to defend refugees against the Blight. And he will reluctantly suggest how a blood magic ritual can save Connor from being possessed. He doesn't want to do it, but he doesn't believe there's any other option (unless the Warden decides to go to the Circle).
He was. He was a very vocal one and a secret practitioner of blood magic who would set up apprentices so he could rat them to the Templars, thereby increasing his own standing in the Circle whilst keeping his status as a maleficar hidden.
Given Lily's stance on blood magic and the fact that he was threatened with Tranquility because he was spotted practicing it by an anonymous "tipster" -- I believe it was Uldred -- you can hardly blame him for keeping it secret.
Had he told his best friend or his girlfriend that he was a blood mage, that'd only further the idea that he should be made Tranquil and lose his free will and emotions.
It's after the Circle Tower you should look at and make your opinions on whether he's a good blood mage or not. And he ends up using his blood magic to defend refugees against the Blight. And he will reluctantly suggest how a blood magic ritual can save Connor from being possessed. He doesn't want to do it, but he doesn't believe there's any other option (unless the Warden decides to go to the Circle).
keesio74 wrote...
maybe Uldred was a Libertarian, I can't remember for sure).
He was. He was a very vocal one and a secret practitioner of blood magic who would set up apprentices so he could rat them to the Templars, thereby increasing his own standing in the Circle whilst keeping his status as a maleficar hidden.
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Posté 19 mai 2012 - 12:56
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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Jowan's actually an example of a good mage using blood magic, not a bad one.
I forgot about Jowan. The only thing he ever did "wrong" was believe in Fereldan's greatest hero (Loghain) and try to serve his country whilst getting himself out of a jam.
It's too bad his personal quest never got integrated into the game. Would've changed many a forum argument on Blood Mages as his self sacrifice would stick out like a sore thumb.
He was an idiot, but not evil.
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Posté 24 mai 2012 - 01:49
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I believe in a recent talk about DA3 it was said that blood magic, in and of itself is not corrupting, but like any power, say for a king, president, or a crazy mage with a lot of lyrim, it can corrupt the user in that way, i.e.- drunk on power.
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Posté 24 mai 2012 - 07:11
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The wardens use blood magic, and not just to fight the darkspawn, but to do the joining ritual itself. The templars use phylacteries, and that can be considered a form of blood magic. The Chantry won't see it that way, but if Finn's ritual to find the Lights of Arlathan, which used Dalish blood as a component but not powering it, can be considered a grey area and blood magic, so too can the phylacteries.
Adralla was a tevinter magister, and she created the Litany to fight the domination of blood magic. That means she had to practice blood magic and experiment on people on how to resist all forms of mind control, in order to develop the litany. Merrill uses blood magic responsibly for years, and nothing bad happens that she's directly responsible for. (I understand some people think she's an idiot, dangerous, etc, but I'm not getting into that argument.)
Jowan, while an idiot who had a talent for getting himself in trouble, also had noble intentions and went out of his way to help refugees. If he helps Connor, he refuses to run, makes no excuses for his actions, and accepts any punishment from Eamon without complaint. Not an evil guy at all.
The potential abuse of blood magic is a darn good reason why it can be banned, but I know it won't ever be taken out of use. It's powerful, and gives the mages a decent defense against the templars...who are now hunting all mages down by virtue of them being mages.
I don't think it's an evil power, or even one that corrupts the soul or whatever else Lily and the Chantry says it does. The power it can provide can be abused, and that power can corrupt someone, but no more than if you were a king, president, shadow organization operative who runs the government from behind the scenes....etc, etc.
If I hear blood mage, I generally go in expecting a fight and a demon. If I get neither, then I'm willing to give them one chance. I can't condemn every blood mage because some only become such because of desperation, but I can't underestimate it either.
Adralla was a tevinter magister, and she created the Litany to fight the domination of blood magic. That means she had to practice blood magic and experiment on people on how to resist all forms of mind control, in order to develop the litany. Merrill uses blood magic responsibly for years, and nothing bad happens that she's directly responsible for. (I understand some people think she's an idiot, dangerous, etc, but I'm not getting into that argument.)
Jowan, while an idiot who had a talent for getting himself in trouble, also had noble intentions and went out of his way to help refugees. If he helps Connor, he refuses to run, makes no excuses for his actions, and accepts any punishment from Eamon without complaint. Not an evil guy at all.
The potential abuse of blood magic is a darn good reason why it can be banned, but I know it won't ever be taken out of use. It's powerful, and gives the mages a decent defense against the templars...who are now hunting all mages down by virtue of them being mages.
I don't think it's an evil power, or even one that corrupts the soul or whatever else Lily and the Chantry says it does. The power it can provide can be abused, and that power can corrupt someone, but no more than if you were a king, president, shadow organization operative who runs the government from behind the scenes....etc, etc.
If I hear blood mage, I generally go in expecting a fight and a demon. If I get neither, then I'm willing to give them one chance. I can't condemn every blood mage because some only become such because of desperation, but I can't underestimate it either.
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Posté 24 mai 2012 - 07:12
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#887
Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 05:48
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I agree with hitenchi and,really......how cool is blood magic? 
