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[Fallstar]

There's nothing inherently wrong with blood magic, in the same way that there's nothing inherently evil about a huge pile of lyrium. Its just that someone in posession of either can do evil things because they have access to far greater than natural magical power.

[Ianamus]

I was hoping that having a blood mage as a party member in DA2 would finally show blood magic in a "just a means to an end, dosen't have to come from demons and lead to corruption" kind of way, and make me have second thoughts about it.

It did not.

It probably didn't help that the only blood mage who never became corrupted or tries to kill you (so basically the only mage in Kirkwall other than Bethany) Merrill, would have without Hawke's intervention.

[TEWR]

anyone think that Saarebas was a blood mage since his Talisman enhances blood magic?

[EmperorSahlertz]

manipulation of blood =l= manipulation of blood flow

I'd assume that you mean that it could be used for clinical, surgical and medicinal uses. I'm of the conviction that it can only be used for destructive uses (boiling blood does not help the victim).
I don't think it can be used to halt the bloodstream in a certain part of the body. Like if a leg had been severed, then the blood mage could stop the blood flow to the leg. Perhaps a blood mage can stop the blood flow in abody entirely, but as you know, that would just kill the poor sap he cast that spell on.

[dragonflight288]

Blood magic, it is EVIL. Why? My personal opinion is that it should be avoided because it thins the Veil. Demons are much more evil, dangerous and scheming than any Blood Mage. The Veil should not be thinned.

Blood magic isn't the only thing that thins the veil. Excessive violence and death does that too. The Brecilian Forest ended up the way it is, with possess sylvans and werewolves (before Witherfang, I'm talking about when werewolves were far more numerous in the land and the humans waged a war to destroy them) was because of huge battles in the area and a large amount of death and destruction.

[The dead fish]

Useful but potentially dangerous, morally condemnable. It shouldn't be trivialized, nor officially authorized and transmitted to the mass public among mages. This magic is unstable, uncontrollable in a large scale and it brings great empires like Tevinter to commit the irreparable.

I am almost certain that their rituals by sacrificing tens of thousands of innocents for their blood, and more power,  eventually no longer be wanted by themselves, and that this process was finally the result of another will, those of demons or higher powers that controled them, theses mages finally corrupted.

Fortunately foreign forces and the people revolted within their empire massacred and forced them to return to reality.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 07 août 2011 - 05:07 .

[dragonflight288]

It probably didn't help that the only blood mage who never became corrupted or tries to kill you (so basically the only mage in Kirkwall other than Bethany) Merrill, would have without Hawke's intervention.

There is no ingame evidence that Merrill would turn on Hawke. Only the word of Merethari who never even studied the subject and avoided it with a passion. I would rather take the word of someone who studied the subject for years over someone who let fear rule their reason.

Modifié par dragonflight288, 07 août 2011 - 05:01 .

[Fallstar]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

anyone think that Saarebas was a blood mage since his Talisman enhances blood magic?

It seems likely, else why would it have that ability on it? And the Qunari are 'OK' with using blood magic in the right circumstances, Sten says something like 'its a shame we gotta use this foul magic but if its the only way...' (obvious paraphrase) when confronting Connot in the Fade, and since Qunari attitudes to magic are about as negative as they can get, they wouldn't have much of a problem with blood magic.

[TEWR]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

manipulation of blood =l= manipulation of blood flow

um.... that's exactly what it means.  There's also a blood mage ability in DA2 where the blood mage controls their own flow of blood to gather it into a powerful projectile, no doubt after wounding themselves.

That's manipulating blood flow plain and simple.

I'd assume that you mean that it could be used for clinical, surgical and medicinal uses. I'm of the conviction that it can only be used for destructive uses (boiling blood does not help the victim).

Yes,  I stated on page 3 on how it could be used medicinally. And I already stated that boiling blood is sinister. That we've only seen the destructive uses doesn't mean the benign uses are nonexistent.

I don't think it can be used to halt the bloodstream in a certain part of the body. Like if a leg had been severed, then the blood mage could stop the blood flow to the leg. Perhaps a blood mage can stop the blood flow in abody entirely, but as you know, that would just kill the poor sap he cast that spell on.

Well, I do think that it can be used to control the blood of a man who has had his artery severed, at least until a Spirit Healer came by to patch up the wounds. Because as I said, there's a DA2 blood mage ability enemies use where they control their own blood flow to create a powerful projectile

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 07 août 2011 - 05:09 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

dragonflight288 wrote...

It probably didn't help that the only blood mage who never became corrupted or tries to kill you (so basically the only mage in Kirkwall other than Bethany) Merrill, would have without Hawke's intervention.

There is no ingame evidence that Merrill would turn on Hawke. Only the word of Merethari who never even studied the subject and avoided it with a passion. I would rather take the word of someone who studied the subject for years over someone who let fear rule their reason.

She didn't study the Eluvian, but she knew about demons. She knew a demon of great power was involved, and that dealings with such a being can never end in one own's favor, which is why she chose to steer clear of it.

[dragonflight288]

She didn't study the Eluvian, but she knew about demons. She knew a demon of great power was involved, and that dealings with such a being can never end in one own's favor, which is why she chose to steer clear of it.

And she also stated it was trapped. And she did go and turn herself into an abomination without letting anyone in her clan know what she was doing.

Merrill brought along Hawke with the precaution to kill her if things went amiss. Those actions of either of them alone shows the knowledge of dealing with demons.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Marethari did that, when she realized what Merrill was gonna do. She went tehre a few hours/minutes before Merrill arrived, because she could not bear the thought of Merrill becoming possessed. She hoped that Merrill and Hawke together (and companions) would be able to slay Audacity. Whereas Merrill hoped that Hawke alone (and companions) would be enough. Seems to me that Marethari gambled on the better odds...

[dragonflight288]

Unless the player never told Merethari that was going to happen. Then she simply did it.

[TEWR]

Hawke and companions have a far higher kill count than Marethari. I'd say Hawke and companions had the better odds, especially considering the demon was trapped for centuries and wouldn't harm anyone, as Marethari stated. And that the only way he could be freed was if a mage cast a powerful spell on the statue to free him.

seriously, Marethari's the more experienced mage, and becoming an Abomination is not exactly a wise thing to do.

Whether Merrill surpassed Marethari in terms of arcane knowledge and power is up to the person, but I believe Merrill surpassed her Keeper.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 07 août 2011 - 05:24 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

I'd wager that Marethari has far more experience in dealing with demons than the entire party of Hawke combined.

Marethari wanted to prevent the demon from ever escaping, and up prances Merrill and decides to free it, and not only that, she wants to free it through her. Needless to say Marethari must act, but since she loves Merrill and knows of the power Hawke and his companions possess, she takes a gamble and assumes that tehy will be able to overpower Audacity.
All Marethari ever did was in an attempt to keep Merrill alive.

And, before you condemn Marethari, remember that Merrill was herself fully willing to risk becoming an Abomination in the attempt to repair the Eluvian. Not exactly the wise thing to do, eh?

[EmperorSahlertz]

If anything prevented Merrill from completing the mirror, she would probably kill it. She was that obsessed.

And if Marethari got possessed, Merrill would have been aswell for sure. Merrill didn't know her own death was guarenteed, the only redeeming quality she hold is that at least she anticipated it, by bringing Hawke.

[TEWR]

Anders was trained in the Circle and is now a barely stable abomination, Merrill was taught by her Keeper, Hawke and/or Bethany were trained by Malcolm who had experience with a ****load of demons in the Vimmark Mountains.

The entire party kills demons left and right in Kirkwall.

Merrill never once said she was going to free it. She said she was going to meet with the demon, but didn't know what would happen in that meeting. She never once said "I'm gonna go free that there demon!"

Saying that's definitely what she was going to do with nothing to support your claims is just foolish.

There's a big difference between saying "I don't know what will happen. If something happens and I become an Abomination, you have to slay me" and "I'm gonna become an Abomination and see if I can overpower him."



EDIT: Romancing Merrill on the friendship path makes her not become so obsessed with the mirror. She goes out more and only makes it a project she's very devoted to, but she isn't obsessed with it anymore.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 07 août 2011 - 06:06 .

[Medhia Nox]

It's a consciously corrupting tool.

It will corrupt you eventually - no matter how much "good" you do with it in the present.

[TEWR]

Hell Marethari could've just waited inside the cave and when Merrill and company came along she could've destroyed the statue.

Hell she could've taken the entire clan up there and waited, and then when Hawke and company arrived they see her do it. Then, if Audacity is freed (not sure if it would free him) everyone kills the demon.

There are other ways Marethari could've protected Merrill without acting like an idiot.

[Out to Lunch]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Marethari was a fool. The demon was sealed within a statue. All she needed to do was make it inaccessible, like causing a massive cave-in or magically sealing off the entrance or just posting some guards outside it to prevent Merrill from going in at all. Even restraining Merrill with force if needed. Instead she goes and does the dumbest thing ever and allowing herself to be possessed by a powerful demon that might very well have managed to kill Merrill and Hawke and the unsuspecting clan at the bottom of the mountain because she never said a thing about her plans to them.

Merrill only risked possession - Marethari guaranteed it.

The writers did it that way to show how complicated the issue of magic can be. Mages are just like everyone else, prone to poor judgement based on emotions. There were alot of things that could have been done differently in Merrill's story arc but between Hawke not caring, the keeper being blinded by love and Merrill being prideful and stubborn we ended up with a worse case scenerio.
The whole game was like that.

[The Baconer]

I think it's an extremely useful tool and weapon. It seems to have a hand in almost all of the amazing discoveries of the arcane, and it still has potential. There should be institutions dedicated to investigating its possible uses, and not just in Tevinter. It also hasn't been confirmed whether or not it works on animals, and if it did, that could be used as an alternative so the mundanes don't get all whiny.

[dragonflight288]

Blood magic is a very powerful tool. Easily abused and when abused, can corrupt the integrity of the spell caster. Much like everything else in life.