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[Icinix]

*continues eating sandwhich*

[Cancer Puppet]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Cancer Puppet wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Cancer Puppet wrote...

 Does this mean all the people who swore that they were going to cancel their pre-order if MP was confirmed are also going to leave the Mass Effect forums? You know, because they no longer have an interest in the series, and therefore nothing constructive to contribute to the conversation.
...yeah, I thought not. <_<

Cancelling preorder and not getting the game at all are not exactly the same thing.

I'll settle for getting the game used to make sure that Bioware doesn't profit from the decision if it turns out to be true.

Just to point out the obvious here, but you'll be denying yourself content that comes free with a new copy. Unless you want to pay for an online pass, of course. That will eventually be worth it...six months down the line. If the game doesn't remain popular for longer than it's predecessors due to the multiplayer component...

Just sayin'

Multiplayer of any kind is worthless to me. I never play it for any of the games that I buy. By picking up the game used, all I'd be doing is avoiding the multiplayer premium in the price tag.

People who DO like multplayer have a difficult time understanding this, but I literally have ZERO interest playing my video games with other people. For me, gaming is a NON social activity similar to reading a book. When I want to be social, I do things like go play a pickup basketball game or have a poker night with my buddies.

The reason I like RPGs is the storyline and the characters, things that I can't immerse myself into with people yammering through a headset at me.

Honestly, I'm not too big on MP games either, with the exception of the co-op types. Competing with nine-year-olds from Germany whose grasp of the English language is limited to insults isn't my cup of tea. Single player games are my favorite, but I'm not going to get all up in arms about multiplayer being included. Granted, you don't seem to be ranting and/or raving, and I give you credit for that. However, I think that you, as well as a good many others, should look at what the SP experience has to offer and base your purchasing descision off of that, and not some neo-puritanical extremist viewpoint.

-polite

[wicked117]

Icinix wrote...

*continues eating sandwhich*

what kind of sandwhich?

[Inutaisho7996]

Cancer Puppet wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

I'm cancelling my Skyrim CE because ME3 has MP.

Agreed. No Halo CE remake for me.

Darn, I was looking forward to Batman: Arkham Asylum. Oh well, might as well cancel preorder that too.

[Terumitsu]

Multiplayer?

In my Mass Effect?

FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUU-Wait a sec....I think I'll act like the mature adult that I am and just wait and see how the thing actually turns out before I jump to any conclusions. Though I might not like the idea when first presented, it might grow on me. No reason to judge a feature before I try it, right?

[Icinix]

You know what upsets me the most about the cover?

Whats this rubbish with 'Levels'?

Is ME3 going to be arcade missions now? What happened to open world? What happened to being able to explore? Do we just progress through linear misisons one after the after because the console limitations mean we have to do things in order to allow for the disc change?

What is this??

*begins throwing things off of desk, against walls, smashes pot plant, pulls hair out, picks nose, eats more sandwhich*

/incaseyourareunawarethisissarcasm

[didymos1120]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Hell, lets knock of Deus Ex:HR while were at it!

I'm a man on the edge, I've got nothing to lose!

[Seboist]

They're adding multiplayer to ME3? I hear that's how it goes in the biz.

[Inutaisho7996]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Abirn wrote...

Pathetic. Get Multilayer out of Mass effect 3.

How you can ignore an opinion that a clear majority of gamers clearly share is beyond me.

You do realize that even if, and I'm stressing the word if, the majority of BSN members active on the ME forums are actually against MP in ME3, that in no way means that the majority of gamers are against it, right?

Is this descision influenced by EA? I'd say that's nearly without a doubt. However, you aught to be cognizant of the fact that multiplayer support is what sells a lot of people on whether or not they buy a specific game. I'd wager that for every one of the melodramatic doomsayers who don't buy the game, there's a few hundred "regular" gamers who pick the game up because of the inclusion of MP. 

So go ahead and boycott the game if that is your desire, but EA and Bioware won't really miss you ( I'm talking to all the "purists" out there ) when they're looking at their bank statements for March 2012.

I'm not sure you're correct on that statement. While it is likely true that the majority of the INDUSTRY is heavily multiplayer focused and likes having it in their games, I'm not so certain the majority of the RPG GENRE would agree.

Can't really think of a whole bunch of multiplayer RPGs out there. Now, granted, the Mass Effect series is as much shooter as it is RPG, but after Bioware made a big deal about beefing up the RPG and storyline experience from ME2 into ME3, I'm not so certain that the majority of their own particular fanbase is going to like this decision.

People can't like more than one genre of games? Does owning Mass Effect, Call of Duty 4, Elder Scolls III & IV,  both God and Gears of War, Wii Sports, and Need for Speed make me any less of a gamer just because I don' t restrict myself to one genre? Of course multiplayer will attract RPG fans because several of them are FPS fans too.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Seboist wrote...

They're adding multiplayer to ME3? I hear that's how it goes in the biz.

Haha, so true. 

-Polite

[didymos1120]

Seboist wrote...

They're adding multiplayer to ME3? I hear that's how it goes in the biz.

Sometimes I poke around on Twitter....you know: for extra confirmation.

[BeefoTheBold]

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Honestly, I'm not too big on MP games either, with the exception of the co-op types. Competing with nine-year-olds from Germany whose grasp of the English language is limited to insults isn't my cup of tea. Single player games are my favorite, but I'm not going to get all up in arms about multiplayer being included. Granted, you don't seem to be ranting and/or raving, and I give you credit for that. However, I think that you, as well as a good many others, should look at what the SP experience has to offer and base your purchasing descision off of that, and not some neo-puritanical extremist viewpoint.

-polite

I don't begrudge others their views. Does me no good to rant and rave. It only makes my viewpoints taken less seriously.

I view my purchasing decision as an informed protest.

1. I don't like the decision to make the next KOTOR game an MMO.
2. I don't like the VERY inconsistent quality level of Bioware's DLC in recent memory.
3. I don't like the "streamlining" of the RPG experience in games like DA2 and ME2.
4. I don't like budget that would otherwise go towards the singleplayer experience being wasted in gimmicky additions like Kinect motion controls.
5. I don't like the budget that would otherwise go towards the singleplayer experience being wasted on multiplayer that I won't use, likely resulting in either a shorter or less polished singleplayer experience for content that I WON'T USE.
6. I definitely don't like repeated assurances by Bioware that we don't have to worry about MP in my Mass Effect 3 game only to find out (potentially) that they were lying through their teeth.

Basically, I don't like the entire direction of Bioware post EA acquisition. So how do I express my discontent? If I don't like the direction, and am afraid that Bioware will take my continued purchases as confirmation that the directiont hey are going is the right one, then the only logical course of action I can take is to do my own (admittedly tiny) part to protest by making sure they don't profit from my gaming dollar.

And since I would still want to play what remains of the ME3 multiplayer, that means I'd have to pick the game up used so that Bioware doesn't profit from their decision to thumb their nose at the people who HAVE been their fans and loyal customers for many years in favor of going after a different target market.

Basically, my only recourse is to express my disapproval with my wallet.

[Cancer Puppet]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Abirn wrote...

Pathetic. Get Multilayer out of Mass effect 3.

How you can ignore an opinion that a clear majority of gamers clearly share is beyond me.

You do realize that even if, and I'm stressing the word if, the majority of BSN members active on the ME forums are actually against MP in ME3, that in no way means that the majority of gamers are against it, right?

Is this descision influenced by EA? I'd say that's nearly without a doubt. However, you aught to be cognizant of the fact that multiplayer support is what sells a lot of people on whether or not they buy a specific game. I'd wager that for every one of the melodramatic doomsayers who don't buy the game, there's a few hundred "regular" gamers who pick the game up because of the inclusion of MP. 

So go ahead and boycott the game if that is your desire, but EA and Bioware won't really miss you ( I'm talking to all the "purists" out there ) when they're looking at their bank statements for March 2012.

I'm not sure you're correct on that statement. While it is likely true that the majority of the INDUSTRY is heavily multiplayer focused and likes having it in their games, I'm not so certain the majority of the RPG GENRE would agree.

Can't really think of a whole bunch of multiplayer RPGs out there. Now, granted, the Mass Effect series is as much shooter as it is RPG, but after Bioware made a big deal about beefing up the RPG and storyline experience from ME2 into ME3, I'm not so certain that the majority of their own particular fanbase is going to like this decision.

True, I can't think of any MP RPG's, but you'd be hard pressed to find many shooters that don't have MP. But why can't ME3 have a SP experience with richer RPG aspects, and a multiplayer component, exactly? As I understand it, there is nothing that makes the two mutually exclusive.

"You can please all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot please all the people all the time."

Bioware certainly can't please all of the people, apparently not even some of the time, but they are trying.

[Killer3000ad]

Looks like Bioware is now fully indoctrinated/infested by EA.

[BeefoTheBold]

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

People can't like more than one genre of games? Does owning Mass Effect, Call of Duty 4, Elder Scolls III & IV,  both God and Gears of War, Wii Sports, and Need for Speed make me any less of a gamer just because I don' t restrict myself to one genre? Of course multiplayer will attract RPG fans because several of them are FPS fans too.

Nope. Doesn't make you less of a gamer. if it did, it sure would make me less of one as well.

People can like all different types of games. I like Mass Effect, Elder Scrolls, Witcher, God and Gears of War, NCAA Football, Prince of Persia, Persona, Catherine, etc.

However, when I play an RPG, there are certain things that I don't want IN my RPGs.

I like playing basketball and poker in my free time in addition to video games. I don't mind those things being social activities. I EXPECT those things to be social activities. I WANT them to be.

However, I view reading a book as a NON social activity. I view playing a good RPG the same way. Adding other people into the act of reading my book would detract from my bookreading experience. If some author was to try and add a coop mode to my book reading, I would likely object.

[Killer3000ad]

Looks like Bioware is fully indoctrinated.

[MrDizazta]

Too tell the truth, I honestly want to see BioWare's take on MP for ME. I mean how many class based shooters are there anymore. You can literally count them all on one hand. Another thing is people forget that BioWare has more than one studio. If anything, I can see BioWare release a MP DLC after the release of ME3. I mean R* didn't release Co-Op missions until a month after RDR was release and it was free. If anything, this DLC pack will be free, give ME fans a taste of what MP might be like and if there is success future map pack and such and such.

[BeefoTheBold]

Cancer Puppet wrote...

True, I can't think of any MP RPG's, but you'd be hard pressed to find many shooters that don't have MP. But why can't ME3 have a SP experience with richer RPG aspects, and a multiplayer component, exactly? As I understand it, there is nothing that makes the two mutually exclusive.

"You can please all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot please all the people all the time."

Bioware certainly can't please all of the people, apparently not even some of the time, but they are trying.

There's the fact that now, in addition to Kinect that I won't use, I'm paying for a multiplayer component that I won't use.

And, more importantly, development resources and budget that would otherwise go towards the singleplayer campaign are now going to be focused on content that is worthless to me.

Those are, of course, the logical reasons.

The more emotional reasons, which I know some people will scoff at, are that Bioware is making me feel abandoned. I know they are a company. I know that all they really care about is maximizing their profits and it is naive to feel otherwise. But damnit, they were MY company. Long before companies like Atlus or CD Projekt became among my favorites, Bioware was my gold standard for RPG goodness.

And now it just genuinely feels like they don't care about my wants and desires in a game anymore. I feel like an afterthought.

Basically it feels like all video game companies these days are going after the crowd that thought gaming was for nerds while I was growing up. And I never thought Bioware would be one of them.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Killer3000ad wrote...

Looks like Bioware is now fully indoctrinated/infested by EA.

The rEApers need to be taken down! Bioware's crying for help! 


-Polite

[shepskisaac]

BeefoTheBold wrote...
1. I don't like the decision to make the next KOTOR game an MMO.

It was LucasArts decision, BW and EA have no say what will Lucas do with their Star Wars IP.

BeefoTheBold wrote...
2. I don't like the VERY inconsistent quality level of Bioware's DLC in recent memory.

All games have inconsistent DLC. It is still very new concept and developers are still figuring it out how to approach the entire thing.

BeefoTheBold wrote...
3. I don't like the "streamlining" of the RPG experience in games like DA2 and ME2.

Fair argument, but they're bringing RPG elemnts back for ME3.

BeefoTheBold wrote...
4. I don't like budget that would otherwise go towards the singleplayer experience being wasted in gimmicky additions like Kinect motion controls.

And you know that how? EA most likely expanded the budget for Kinect & MP, not cut anything from SP part.

BeefoTheBold wrote...
5. I don't like the budget that would otherwise go towards the singleplayer experience being wasted on multiplayer that I won't use, likely resulting in either a shorter or less polished singleplayer experience for content that I WON'T USE.

Same as above. You base your opinion on an assumption EA would spend more money on SP if MP/Kinect didn't happen. I say that's not very realistic.

BeefoTheBold wrote...
6. I definitely don't like repeated assurances by Bioware that we don't have to worry about MP in my Mass Effect 3 game only to find out (potentially) that they were lying through their teeth.

Fair enough, they made it seem like it was pretty confirmed there won't be MP in ME3, but at the same time they never made it 100% clear "there will be no MP in ME3" so.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 06 août 2011 - 05:25 .

[Cancer Puppet]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

I don't begrudge others their views. Does me no good to rant and rave. It only makes my viewpoints taken less seriously.

I view my purchasing decision as an informed protest.

1. I don't like the decision to make the next KOTOR game an MMO.
2. I don't like the VERY inconsistent quality level of Bioware's DLC in recent memory.
3. I don't like the "streamlining" of the RPG experience in games like DA2 and ME2.
4. I don't like budget that would otherwise go towards the singleplayer experience being wasted in gimmicky additions like Kinect motion controls.
5. I don't like the budget that would otherwise go towards the singleplayer experience being wasted on multiplayer that I won't use, likely resulting in either a shorter or less polished singleplayer experience for content that I WON'T USE.
6. I definitely don't like repeated assurances by Bioware that we don't have to worry about MP in my Mass Effect 3 game only to find out (potentially) that they were lying through their teeth.

Basically, I don't like the entire direction of Bioware post EA acquisition. So how do I express my discontent? If I don't like the direction, and am afraid that Bioware will take my continued purchases as confirmation that the directiont hey are going is the right one, then the only logical course of action I can take is to do my own (admittedly tiny) part to protest by making sure they don't profit from my gaming dollar.

And since I would still want to play what remains of the ME3 multiplayer, that means I'd have to pick the game up used so that Bioware doesn't profit from their decision to thumb their nose at the people who HAVE been their fans and loyal customers for many years in favor of going after a different target market.

Basically, my only recourse is to express my disapproval with my wallet.

Fair enough, I suppose. I certain'y won't fault you for not liking EA, though I think the assumption that Bioware sold out for greed's sake is a bit unfair. Sure, they came to the corporate gang-bang and dropped their pants, but being a part of a huge (too huge imo) publisher like EA does provide certain opportunities that would not have been available to BW as an independent studio.

I will say though, that Bioware did not lie through their teeth. People who have believed that MP would be included have pointed out the fact that a plain and clear denial of MP in ME3 was never made. Everytime the question was asked we got rhetoric and hyperbole. It's a pretty big red flag to me whenever a question that could be answered with a simple yes or no, isn't.

[Inutaisho7996]

rs

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

People can't like more than one genre of games? Does owning Mass Effect, Call of Duty 4, Elder Scolls III & IV,  both God and Gears of War, Wii Sports, and Need for Speed make me any less of a gamer just because I don' t restrict myself to one genre? Of course multiplayer will attract RPG fans because several of them are FPS fans too.

Nope. Doesn't make you less of a gamer. if it did, it sure would make me less of one as well.

People can like all different types of games. I like Mass Effect, Elder Scrolls, Witcher, God and Gears of War, NCAA Football, Prince of Persia, Persona, Catherine, etc.

However, when I play an RPG, there are certain things that I don't want IN my RPGs.

I like playing basketball and poker in my free time in addition to video games. I don't mind those things being social activities. I EXPECT those things to be social activities. I WANT them to be.

However, I view reading a book as a NON social activity. I view playing a good RPG the same way. Adding other people into the act of reading my book would detract from my bookreading experience. If some author was to try and add a coop mode to my book reading, I would likely object.

It's not in your RPG. It's next to it. You will not be forced to play multiplayer at all. You won't see any other players while you are in the campaign at all.

By the way, social books do exist. They're called books on tape. They're books that can be listened to by yourself or with others.

[Cancer Puppet]

Also, what IssacShep said.

[Cancer Puppet]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

There's the fact that now, in addition to Kinect that I won't use, I'm paying for a multiplayer component that I won't use.

And, more importantly, development resources and budget that would otherwise go towards the singleplayer campaign are now going to be focused on content that is worthless to me.

Those are, of course, the logical reasons.

The more emotional reasons, which I know some people will scoff at, are that Bioware is making me feel abandoned. I know they are a company. I know that all they really care about is maximizing their profits and it is naive to feel otherwise. But damnit, they were MY company. Long before companies like Atlus or CD Projekt became among my favorites, Bioware was my gold standard for RPG goodness.

And now it just genuinely feels like they don't care about my wants and desires in a game anymore. I feel like an afterthought.

Basically it feels like all video game companies these days are going after the crowd that thought gaming was for nerds while I was growing up. And I never thought Bioware would be one of them.

Whether or not there's multiplayer, kinect, or the game is an 80 hour RPG lover's wet dream, it's still going to cost 60 bucks...

[BeefoTheBold]

IsaacShep wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...
1. I don't like the decision to make the next KOTOR game an MMO.

It was LucasArts decision, BW and EA have no say what will Lucas do with their Star Wars IP.

BeefoTheBold wrote...
2. I don't like the VERY inconsistent quality level of Bioware's DLC in recent memory.

All games have inconsistent DLC. It is still very new concept and developers are still figuring it out how to approach the entire thing.

BeefoTheBold wrote...
3. I don't like the "streamlining" of the RPG experience in games like DA2 and ME2.

Fair argument, but they're bringing RPG elemnts back for ME3.

BeefoTheBold wrote...
4. I don't like budget that would otherwise go towards the singleplayer experience being wasted in gimmicky additions like Kinect motion controls.

And you know that how? EA most likely expanded the budget for Kinect & MP, not cut anything from SP part.

BeefoTheBold wrote...
5. I don't like the budget that would otherwise go towards the singleplayer experience being wasted on multiplayer that I won't use, likely resulting in either a shorter or less polished singleplayer experience for content that I WON'T USE.

Same as above. You base your opinion on an assumption EA would spend more money on SP if MP/Kinect didn't happen. I say that's not very realistic.

BeefoTheBold wrote...
6. I definitely don't like repeated assurances by Bioware that we don't have to worry about MP in my Mass Effect 3 game only to find out (potentially) that they were lying through their teeth.

Fair enough, they made it seem like it was pretty confirmed there won't be MP in ME3, but at the same time they never made it 100% clear "there will be no MP in ME3" so.

1. The Bioware that I grew up with can and DID say no to projects that they didn't want take on. They walked away from KOTOR2. They walked away from Neverwinter Nights 2. Saying that MMO KOTOR was all Lucas Arts' decision is a bit of a copout in my opinion. 

2. Bioware did not use to have inconsistent quality level for their releases. What they released was excellent. Period. Now? Hit or miss.

3. I hope so. I like some of what I've seen. I'm keeping an open mind here.

4/5. It's been an industry trend for some time now. Singleplayer campaigns have been getting shorter and shorter as multiplayer has become more prominent in the industry. Yes, it is conjecture on my part. But it is conjecture based on some pretty consistent trends in gaming. Adding multiplayer supposedly justifies a shorter singleplayer because the assumption by developers is that the multiplayer component adds play-time.

Which is probably true...for gamers that actually USE the multiplayer component.

So, yes, I am assuming a little bit. But it isn't an assumption pulled completely out of my backside either.

6. Pretty weasely. True, they left some wiggle room. But still pretty weasely if this ends up being true, and something that leaves a lot of folks on this forum who have been saying for months, "There's not going to be any MP! Bioware has said so! Move on!" with egg on their face.