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[didymos1120]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...
What about Ign? Does that cover actual ME fans? You know, with the poll that exceeded 100,000 votes, 75% of that against multiplayer?

If you don't call that the [m]ajority, i don't know what is.

It's a decent sample size is what it is.  But a majority? No.  That would require more than ~1.25 million.  At least.  No way to know without the complete sales figures.  BTW, where is this poll? Not having much luck finding it with teh Google.

[didymos1120]

King Minos wrote...

Lol remember when chris said mas effect 2 won't come to ps3?

No.  They never once said it wouldn't ever be on the PS3.  They always answered as to what platforms it was currently available for at the time the question was asked, and let people think what they wanted.  That or gave some other factually true answer that didn't actually answer the question about their release plans.

Modifié par didymos1120, 07 août 2011 - 12:21 .

[GreenSoda]

didymos1120 wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...
What about Ign? Does that cover actual ME fans? You know, with the poll that exceeded 100,000 votes, 75% of that against multiplayer?

If you don't call that the [m]ajority, i don't know what is.

It's a decent sample size is what it is.  But a majority? No.  That would require more than ~1.25 million.  At least.  No way to know without the complete sales figures.  BTW, where is this poll? Not having much luck finding it with teh Google.

No way to know without complete sales figures ??? 100,000 votes can't accurately predict what the 2-3 millions of ME buyers want ???...seriously now ? I guess all that predictions on election day, based on only a couple of 1000's voters, are also without any merit, right ? <_<

[elarem]

ME3 - team A - focused on SP - truth told
ME3 - team B - focused on MP - rumours abound - no confirmation - no lie

ME3 game comes out - truth revealed

[KenKenpachi]

GreenSoda wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...
What about Ign? Does that cover actual ME fans? You know, with the poll that exceeded 100,000 votes, 75% of that against multiplayer?

If you don't call that the [m]ajority, i don't know what is.

It's a decent sample size is what it is.  But a majority? No.  That would require more than ~1.25 million.  At least.  No way to know without the complete sales figures.  BTW, where is this poll? Not having much luck finding it with teh Google.

No way to know without complete sales figures ??? 100,000 votes can't accurately predict what the 2-3 millions of ME buyers want ???...seriously now ? I guess all that predictions on election day, based on only a couple of 1000's voters, are also without any merit, right ? <_<

pretty much yes. Recall the various elections when someone was ahead in the polls and lost. Polls are only effective if the sampeling size is HUGE and diverse. If I had a poll on say America's Opinions on socialism, if I polled mainly in CA I'm sure it would be overly poistive. If in the Midwest, overly negitive. You have to do a cross nation poll or in the case of this game maybe near globally, and with at least 15-10% of the customer (or voter) base.

And that will never happen.

[didymos1120]

GreenSoda wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...
What about Ign? Does that cover actual ME fans? You know, with the poll that exceeded 100,000 votes, 75% of that against multiplayer?

If you don't call that the [m]ajority, i don't know what is.

It's a decent sample size is what it is.  But a majority? No.  That would require more than ~1.25 million.  At least.  No way to know without the complete sales figures.  BTW, where is this poll? Not having much luck finding it with teh Google.

No way to know without complete sales figures ??? 100,000 votes can't accurately predict what the 2-3 millions of ME buyers want ???...seriously now ? I guess all that predictions on election day, based on only a couple of 1000's voters, are also without any merit, right ? <_<

Read For Comprehension.  Did I not say that was a decent sample size?  Why, yes: I did.  What there is no way to know is exactly how many people are required for an actual majority because we don't have full sales figures. 100,000, while a perfectly good sample size, just plain isn't a majority because the game sold MILLIONS.  See the distinction?

Modifié par didymos1120, 07 août 2011 - 12:31 .

[GreenSoda]

didymos1120 wrote...

GreenSoda wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...
What about Ign? Does that cover actual ME fans? You know, with the poll that exceeded 100,000 votes, 75% of that against multiplayer?

If you don't call that the [m]ajority, i don't know what is.

It's a decent sample size is what it is.  But a majority? No.  That would require more than ~1.25 million.  At least.  No way to know without the complete sales figures.  BTW, where is this poll? Not having much luck finding it with teh Google.

No way to know without complete sales figures ??? 100,000 votes can't accurately predict what the 2-3 millions of ME buyers want ???...seriously now ? I guess all that predictions on election day, based on only a couple of 1000's voters, are also without any merit, right ? <_<

Read For Comprehension.  Did I not say that was a decent sample size?  Why, yes: I did.  What there is no way to know is exactly how many people are required for an actual majority because we don't have full sales figures. 100,000, while a perfectly good sample size, just plain isn't a majority because the game sold MILLIONS.  See the distinction?

True indeed. But also nitpicky. With such a large sample-size the probability that -somehow- the majority would actually like mp in ME3 is as good as zero.

[King Minos]

Didymos, chris himself specifically said mass effect 2 will not come to ps3, i saw someone with a quote saved as a sig that has chris saying mass effect 2 will not be on ps3 and underneath it has him saying mass effect 2 is coming to ps3, off topic I'm not here about the ps3. The ps3 situation is like the multiplayer rumour situation, it was denied multiple times and when the rumours started heating up, bioware started to refuse answering or not answer at all. Multiplayer is in.

[-Skorpious-]

King Minos wrote...

Didymos, chris himself specifically said mass effect 2 will not come to ps3, i saw someone with a quote saved as a sig that has chris saying mass effect 2 will not be on ps3 and underneath it has him saying mass effect 2 is coming to ps3, off topic I'm not here about the ps3. The ps3 situation is like the multiplayer rumour situation, it was denied multiple times and when the rumours started heating up, bioware started to refuse answering or not answer at all. Multiplayer is in.

You can't say that as fact without evidence though. You can assume (like I can assume that Zaeed will not be a permanent squadmate), but that is all it will be - an assumption. 

Besides, Bioware does not have to follow the same trends like clockwork you know. 

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 07 août 2011 - 12:38 .

[didymos1120]

GreenSoda wrote...

True indeed. But also nitpicky. With such a large sample-size the probability that -somehow- the majority would actually like mp in ME3 is as good as zero.

I'm not disputing that a poll of every single ME player would almost certainly turn up the same results. My only issue was with the term "majority" being used incorrectly, which it was.  Call it nitpicky if you like, but I generally prefer it when words aren't used to mean something they don't.

[King Minos]

I remember exactly how the ps3 rumours started and it is the same as this, EA made a a report that was shown on multiple gaming site that multiplayer is mandatory, if it isn't in bioware would of declined it immediatly, but thy have not, they are just letting it build up until everyone gives up and then thy will confirm it, why would they confirm it now when everyone I heated up? They will confirm it soon. If I started a rumour that mas effect 3 is a ps3 exclusive, it is guaranteed they will answer that straight away and attempt to squash it, they have done **** all for this and chris gave a useless answer Which was not needed at alll and annoyed some members.

[King Minos]

They will confirm it at a big game convention, where the masses are and get everyone on interested, which is a good move if you want more money, bioware did fine without multilayer and mass effect 2 was brilliant, very very good sales. Yet bioware want more, greed.

[didymos1120]

King Minos wrote...

Didymos, chris himself specifically said mass effect 2 will not come to ps3, i saw someone with a quote saved as a sig that has chris saying mass effect 2 will not be on ps3 and underneath it has him saying mass effect 2 is coming to ps3,

Where was this statement originally?  I'm sorry, but some random sig I can't even see for myself is not a credible source.  In any case, I'm virtually certain that the original statement doesn't say "Not ever coming to PS3."  It simply would be able to be interpreted that way.  It probably said something like "ME2 is for the PC and X360", which was the sort of thing they did say, and which was also literally true at the time.  It really was for the PC and X360.  It's a standard PR dodging technique, because blatant lies usually aren't too good for business.

[Ianamus]

didymos1120 wrote...

I'm not disputing that a poll of every single ME player would almost certainly turn up the same results. My only issue was with the term "majority" being used incorrectly, which it was.  Call it nitpicky if you like, but I generally prefer it when words aren't used to mean something they don't.

If your using statistic tests then the conclusion from IGN's polls would be: "There is strong evidence to suggest that the majority of people do not want multiplayer in Mass Effect 3" 

I know that you can't say anything for certain, but the whole point of polls in to find what the majority want. 

King Minos wrote...

Didymos, chris himself specifically said mass effect 2 will not come to ps3, i saw someone with a quote saved as a sig that has chris saying mass effect 2 will not be on ps3 and underneath it has him saying mass effect 2 is coming to ps3, off topic I'm not here about the ps3. The ps3 situation is like the multiplayer rumour situation, it was denied multiple times and when the rumours started heating up, bioware started to refuse answering or not answer at all. Multiplayer is in.

But when was that? He might have said that when Bioware were not planning to release it on PS3

Modifié par EJ107, 07 août 2011 - 12:56 .

[King Minos]

Didymos, I will find it and I will show you, I know chris said mass effect 2 will not com to ps3, someone back me up please, this comment chris made was all over the bsn, I'm on iPod touch and it sucks. Just trust me on this, I'm am against multiplayer completely and I will argue against it, the money made by multiplayer is either going into biowares pockets or towards the star wars mmo. As much as I hate multiplayer in mass effect, the rumours are stacking up, and bioware are doing nothing to help us, it is in.

[hotdogbsg]

If ME3 doesn't have multiplayer I just don't understand why Bioware just don't come out and say so.

[Lumikki]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

What about Ign? Does that cover actual ME fans? You know, with the poll that exceeded 100,000 votes, 75% of that against multiplayer?

If you don't call that the ajority, i don't know what is.

100,000 is less than 5% of the people who bought ME2 (based on the 2 millions copies sold in week 1, so in reality ME2 probably sold a lot more). That is nowhere near a majority.

Yes, it's not majority, but as database sample it's more than enough to have good enough accuracy as majority's opinion.

hotdogbsg wrote...

If ME3 doesn't have multiplayer I just don't understand why Bioware just don't come out and say so.

Why?

1. If Bioware isn't sure, if it will have it or not and even what form. Then why talk about it?
2. Majority of customers are agaist it, but is Bioware or EA? So, what the marketing point?

Modifié par Lumikki, 07 août 2011 - 01:07 .

[King Minos]

I have found it, type in google: mass effect 2 inky coming to pa3 an then click on litany, the community manager says mass effect 2 is only for pc and xbox and even apologises for the confusion. http://kotaku.comhtt...om/tag/xbox360/

[King Minos]

Damn it iPod spellchecking, anyway there is direct proof of the ps3 lie. I'm trying to find chris' post now, I'm not going to give up.

[Sith Reaper]

GreenSoda wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

GreenSoda wrote...

C'mon BW, don't ruin the last entry of the series by implementing a hippster feature the majority doesn't want.

Both Mass Effects sold millions of copies. How on Earth would you or I know what the majority wants? Even if there are a thousand people on this forum thats less than 0.05% of the people that bought ME2. The majority may be perfectly fine with multiplayer.

How can tv stations accurately predict the outcome of the presidential election based on only a couple of 1000's (sometimes even just hundreds) votes ? The sample-size that IGN-poll probed is *more* than large enough to accurately predict what the majority wants.

IGN and BioWare Social Network cannot possibly give an accurate view of how players feel about multiplayer in Mass Effect, mostly due to the fact that BioWare Social Network is not an accurate representation of the entire player body. There is not an equal representation of each type of player here - BioWare.com has about 3-400,000 people visit it every month (http://siteanalytics...om/bioware.com/), and many of those go to Warhammer's forum or the Dragon Age forums only.

Therefore, a smaller representation of Mass Effect's large player base is represented (approximately 2.5-3 million) is shown on this site. And of those who visit this site, we represent a smalle niche of 'hardcore' players - and even then, we are not all alike in ideals. Thus, we certainly cannot represent a casual majority.

So, no, that does not represent the majority - whether the majority wants it or not has yet to be seen.

Modifié par Sith Reaper, 07 août 2011 - 01:24 .

[Lumikki]

Sith Reaper wrote...

So, no, that does not represent the majority - whether the majority wants it or not has yet to be seen.

Good example when the person refuses to believe the results. Yes, it's not 100% accurate result, but it could be more than 95% accurate.  +-5% error, requires:

http://oi56.tinypic.com/1zv4i7d.jpg

Point been if sampling is random enough and is not biased. With very small sample can be known majority's opinion. It's even so small that it's hard to believe.

Modifié par Lumikki, 07 août 2011 - 01:45 .

[MrAndree]

Only fans go to forums and only fans care enough to vote in polls like this, so no, it doesn't represent the majority. It represents the fans. That's not the same.

[GreenSoda]

MrAndree wrote...

Only fans go to forums and only fans care enough to vote in polls like this, so no, it doesn't represent the majority. It represents the fans. That's not the same.

...not on a popular gaming website like IGN, though. The sample group there is just random gamers not necessarily interested in ME.

[Lumikki]

MrAndree wrote...

Only fans go to forums and only fans care enough to vote in polls like this, so no, it doesn't represent the majority. It represents the fans. That's not the same.

Good point, but only people who are interested about Mass Effect games also buy's them. Agreed?