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[Phaedon]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...
I'm not sure of anything anymore, Didy. I guess we should always assume/expect the worst anyway. What's really driving me nuts is the fact that they're refusing to flatly deny these MP rumors. Saying "We've considered it," or "We're focusing on the SP" is a non-answer and leaves you with more question than answers, yet it's all we've ever heard about this. 

Oh well, GamesCom is just a couple weeks ahead, right? Right. *goes back to playing Dead Space 2*

Um,no.

They have said "We have considered it" but "it doesn't fit.".


If it turns out Hudson was trolling, then you can get your torch and pitchfork  .

Modifié par Phaedon, 07 août 2011 - 02:30 .

[crimzontearz]

Phaedon wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...
I'm not sure of anything anymore, Didy. I guess we should always assume/expect the worst anyway. What's really driving me nuts is the fact that they're refusing to flatly deny these MP rumors. Saying "We've considered it," or "We're focusing on the SP" is a non-answer and leaves you with more question than answers, yet it's all we've ever heard about this. 

Oh well, GamesCom is just a couple weeks ahead, right? Right. *goes back to playing Dead Space 2*

Um,no.

They have said "We have considered it" but "it doesn't fit.".

he said they tried it and it did not fit then.......they are not saying if it is not fitting "now"

I'm sorry but that is a non answer

and hey even when Bioware DOES give direct answer sometimes they just retract later on so......

[MrAndree]

Lumikki wrote...


Good point, but only people who are interested about Mass Effect games also buy's them. Agreed?

People who are interested and fans are two very different things. Or ME 2 has 2 million fans.

[Phaedon]

crimzontearz wrote...
he said they tried it and it did not fit then.......they are not saying if it is not fitting "now"

I'm sorry but that is a non answer

and hey even when Bioware DOES give direct answer sometimes they just retract later on so......

With then being the 26th of July.


I mean, come on, what is with the obsessive pessimism around these forums?

He said that it doesn't fit, some days ago. If you guys want to convince yourself that it suddenly "fitted" in the last couple of days or that Casey is a troll, go ahead, just stop making a huge issue about it every single time.

XBOX 360 World and other gaming media knows that you are like this and they are using it to boost sales.

[crimzontearz]

Phaedon wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
he said they tried it and it did not fit then.......they are not saying if it is not fitting "now"

I'm sorry but that is a non answer

and hey even when Bioware DOES give direct answer sometimes they just retract later on so......

With then being the 26th of July.


I mean, come on, what is with the obsessive pessimism around these forums?

He said that it doesn't fit, some days ago. If you guys want to convince yourself that it suddenly "fitted" in the last couple of days or that Casey is a troll, go ahead, just stop making a huge issue about it every single time.

XBOX 360 World and other gaming media knows that you are like this and they are using it to boost sales.

look, it's simple

"we tried it (in the past) and it did not fit (also in the past)". For all you know he meant ME 1 and 2 not ME3

Remember also,"Mass Effect 2 is comiong out for PC and Xbox360 only, we have no plans for other releases, Sorry for the confusion".......Enter Mass Effect 2 PS3 version.

I'm sorry I learned to expect the worst, there is a small chance I'll be pleasantly surprised (like with the NG+ in ME2)

Modifié par crimzontearz, 07 août 2011 - 02:41 .

[Lumikki]

The PLC wrote...

I just don't get it. Everything speaks against including MP:
1. (most) People don't want it.
2. The lack of multiplayer didn't bother anyone in ME1 & 2.
3. If the multiplayer isn't very good, or just average, the game will receive a lower score by critics (which is where a lot of potential customers decide if the game is worth their money or not).
4. It will take up space on the disc, that could have been used for more missions, sidequests, dialogue etc.
5. It's the third game, the epic finale, of the trilogy. Why introduce multiplayer now? Why not just end the trilogy with a bang, and save MP for the next game in the ME universe!?

And people keeps saying that EA are the ones who's doing this. EA published ME2, DA:O and DA2. They could have forced Bioware to include MP a long time ago, but they didn't. Bioware is a very respected RPG developer who's been in the business for years, and I honestly don't think EA would 'force' them to include a major feature like MP. EA are are not stupid. Mass Effect 2 received tons of praise from the gaming press and the people. Why would they risk ****ing that up, with a bad/mediocre MP? It just doesn't make any sense!

That's also how I see it.

When Shepards story is done, then after that it's perfect time for different kind of game for Mass Effect universe. If Bioware wants to make it MP then fine, they can then design it from starts to be MP. Why to take risk with ME3, when most of people don't even want it. I agree, that doesn't make any sense.

[Phaedon]

crimzontearz wrote...
look, it's simple

Yes, exactly.

"we tried it (in the past) and it did not fit (also in the past). For all you know he meant ME 1 and 2 not ME3"

No. 

13 days ago they had concluded that despite their efforts it didn't fit.

Remember also, Mass Effect 2 is comiong out for PC and Xbox360 only, we have no plans for other releases, Sorry for the confusion".......Enter Mass Effect 2 PS3 version.

Yes, good luck pulling that argument.
The statements on PS3 and Kinect, which at best just stated that they didn't have any future plans with them, were several, several months before their announcement, presumably before BioWare had even started developing them. 

This statement is from 2 weeks ago.

I'm sorry I learned to expect the worst, there is a small chance I'll be pleasantly surprised (like with the NG+ in ME2)

And there is your problem.
Small chance? Really? Expect to be scammed by fear mongers in the future and to have low ambitions.

[Therefore_I_Am]

The PLC wrote...

I just don't get it. Everything speaks against including MP:
1. (most) People don't want it.
2. The lack of multiplayer didn't bother anyone in ME1 & 2.
3. If the multiplayer isn't very good, or just average, the game will receive a lower score by critics (which is where a lot of potential customers decide if the game is worth their money or not).
4. It will take up space on the disc, that could have been used for more missions, sidequests, dialogue etc.
5. It's the third game, the epic finale, of the trilogy. Why introduce multiplayer now? Why not just end the trilogy with a bang, and save MP for the next game in the ME universe!?

And people keeps saying that EA are the ones who's doing this. EA published ME2, DA:O and DA2. They could have forced Bioware to include MP a long time ago, but they didn't. Bioware is a very respected RPG developer who's been in the business for years, and I honestly don't think EA would 'force' them to include a major feature like MP. EA are are not stupid. Mass Effect 2 received tons of praise from the gaming press and the people. Why would they risk ****ing that up, with a bad/mediocre MP? It just doesn't make any sense!

At the end of the day, the big-nosed suits at EA call the shots. By all rights, the company reps shouldn't even take part in the gaming industry, given their attitude. They might as well be bankers or lawyers.

Modifié par Therefore_I_Am, 07 août 2011 - 02:48 .

[Phaedon]

Therefore_I_Am wrote...


At the end of the day, the big-nosed suits at EA call the shots. By all rights, the company reps shouldn't even take part in the gaming industry, given their attitude. They might as well be bankers or lawyers.

Except that the gaming industry , happens to be a business just like any other industry.
Companies need to make money to support as expensive projects as this and the developers need to feed their families.

[Apollo Starflare]

The PLC wrote...

I just don't get it. Everything speaks against including MP:
1. (most) People don't want it.
2. The lack of multiplayer didn't bother anyone in ME1 & 2.
3. If the multiplayer isn't very good, or just average, the game will receive a lower score by critics (which is where a lot of potential customers decide if the game is worth their money or not).
4. It will take up space on the disc, that could have been used for more missions, sidequests, dialogue etc.
5. It's the third game, the epic finale, of the trilogy. Why introduce multiplayer now? Why not just end the trilogy with a bang, and save MP for the next game in the ME universe!?

And people keeps saying that EA are the ones who's doing this. EA published ME2, DA:O and DA2. They could have forced Bioware to include MP a long time ago, but they didn't. Bioware is a very respected RPG developer who's been in the business for years, and I honestly don't think EA would 'force' them to include a major feature like MP. EA are are not stupid. Mass Effect 2 received tons of praise from the gaming press and the people. Why would they risk ****ing that up, with a bad/mediocre MP? It just doesn't make any sense!

This.

I don't want to come across as doubting BioWare's ability to develop a decent MP componant, but this just doesn't seem like the correct time for them to attempt to implement it? Rockstar are the best example of a developer adding a MP componant to a typically SP game, and they seemingly set out to do so from the off. Not to mention that it was hardly considered the crowning jewel of that game, and took some time to perfect. Implementing something, even a small something, in the third game in a trilogy, in a genre of game that arguably doesn't suit multiplayer as naturally as the GTA/RDR style does, just seems folly.

Lastly, it just seems to me that on top of everything the quoted post says, it makes much more financial sense for both EA and BioWare to release ME3 as a single player game - a game that is almost guaranteed to shift a huge amount of copies and get a whole lot of media attention in the process (and which is very unlikely to review badly); then follow it up with the news that the 'next installment in the MASS EFFECT franchise will bring a whole new element to the table: Multiplayer'. That would be huge news and drum up new media (and gamer) attention in the franchise post-trilogy.

If Mass Effect has already tried it's hand at Multiplayer previously on the other hand, even if somewhat successfully, it will have less of an impact and feel a little 'been done'. It'll still be well covered of course, but it strikes me as there being no reason to rush this franchise anymore than they are already.

Plus, depending on timings, said multiplayer game's release may end up coinciding with the release of a certain movie. Boom.

[Therefore_I_Am]

Phaedon wrote...

Therefore_I_Am wrote...


At the end of the day, the big-nosed suits at EA call the shots. By all rights, the company reps shouldn't even take part in the gaming industry, given their attitude. They might as well be bankers or lawyers.

Except that the gaming industry , happens to be a business just like any other industry.
Companies need to make money to support as expensive projects as this and the developers need to feed their families.

It doesn't excuse EA's attitude, and motives, when pulling the strings of companies where developers have actually had a taste in specific genres of gaming. EA reps just care about $$$, no emotion or passion included. I say leave it to the people who actually do care about the product. No point in a publishing company that revolves around games, when the very representatives don't care about gaming.

[crimzontearz]

Phaedon wrote...

13 days ago they had concluded that despite their efforts it didn't fit.

and yet they never specified if they meant ME1 and 2 or also ME3. Mind you.....I'll be 100% happy if there is not MP in ME3, I am just very skeptical without a direct, unquestionable and un-interpretable answer

Yes, good luck pulling that argument.
The statements on PS3 and Kinect, which at best just stated that they didn't have any future plans with them, were several, several months before their announcement, presumably before BioWare had even started developing them

 

operative word is "presumably". Which means you are not sure and thus in the same speculative boat as us all. Stop trying to pass off as if you were speaking through dogmatic truths.

And there is your problem.
Small chance? Really? Expect to be scammed by fear mongers in the future and to have low ambitions.

fear implies I am "afraid" of something...which I am not. Disappointed? Skeptical? sure....but "afraid" no. I was skeptical about DA2, a lot of people were and it turned out they were right. A lot of people were skeptical about the level of customization for squaddies in ME2...turned out they were right. I am just saying I am not believing anything one way or the other without a clear cut, direct non dodgy answer

[Someone With Mass]

Therefore_I_Am wrote...

It doesn't excuse EA's attitude, and motives, when pulling the strings of companies where developers have actually had a taste in specific genres of gaming. EA reps just care about $$$, no emotion or passion included. I say leave it to the people who actually do care about the product. No point in a publishing company that revolves around games, when the very representatives don't care about gaming.

They do care about the financial strength of the company, though, which is just as important.

Can't make games if you don't have any money.

The developers have families and bills to feed and pay too.

[Therefore_I_Am]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Therefore_I_Am wrote...

It doesn't excuse EA's attitude, and motives, when pulling the strings of companies where developers have actually had a taste in specific genres of gaming. EA reps just care about $$$, no emotion or passion included. I say leave it to the people who actually do care about the product. No point in a publishing company that revolves around games, when the very representatives don't care about gaming.

They do care about the financial strength of the company, though, which is just as important.

Can't make games if you don't have any money.

The developers have families and bills to feed and pay too.

And yet, if they unnecessarily push Bioware to include MP in ME3, the last part of an epic SP trilogy, they obviously don't care that much.

Modifié par Therefore_I_Am, 07 août 2011 - 03:08 .

[crimzontearz]

uhm........remember what Microsoft did with Bungie when they realized Halo was such a huge franchise?

MS: "Hey Bungie, there is a truckload of money parket in your company garage. Make an awesome game...take your time, Ship it when it's done, Do what you do best."

Bungie: "yaaaaaaaay"





Gears of War?

Epic: hey Bill? We need twice the RAM in the 360 for our game to be REALLY awesome

Bill: -looks at the demos-....done guys -calls in for double the RAM on their yet yo be mass produced console-



we all know the kind of success those franchises have had. In the long run letting the developers (especially people like BIOWARE) do what they do best is actually a good thing

[Ianamus]

Phaedon wrote...

Um,no.

They have said "We have considered it" but "it doesn't fit.".


If it turns out Hudson was trolling, then you can get your torch and pitchfork  .

If they know it won't be in the game and want to make it clear to us that it won't be in the game then they would just say "Multiplayer is not in Mass Effect 3" Not all of this "weve tried it in tha past and it didn't fit- but we have some surprises in store for Mass Effect 3" which is basically what they have been saying. 

[Phaedon]

crimzontearz wrote...
and yet they never specified if they meant ME1 and 2 or also ME3. Mind you.....I'll be 100% happy if there is not MP in ME3, I am just very skeptical without a direct, unquestionable and un-interpretable answer

"Will there be multiplayer in ME3?"

"We looked at multiplayer for the Mass Effect series since the very beginning, but could not find a way to implement it without compromising the single player story...Mass Effect is very much about the story"

operative word is "presumably". Which means you are not sure and thus in the same speculative boat as us all. Stop trying to pass off as if you were speaking through dogmatic truths.

pre·sum·a·ble  (pr-zm-bl)adj.That can be presumed or taken for granted; reasonable as a supposition: presumable causes of the disaster.pre·suma·bly adv.

Fact I: The "rejections" for the Kinect or the PS3 version came several months, or even a year before their official announcement.

Fact II: This statement which has been repeated more times than it it is necessary was made two weeks ago.

fear implies I am "afraid" of something...which I am not. Disappointed? Skeptical? sure....but "afraid" no. I was skeptical about DA2, a lot of people were and it turned out they were right. A lot of people were skeptical about the level of customization for squaddies in ME2...turned out they were right. I am just saying I am not believing anything one way or the other without a clear cut, direct non dodgy answer

Turned out they were right? You do realize that that is subjective, correct?
Disappointed? That doesn't even make sense at this point.
Skeptical? He downright stated it three times, and he didn't dodge anything. "Will there be MP in ME3" "Well, we tried, but failed."

That is not dodging.

And you didn't reply to the "small chance" part of my post. Okay.

[JamieCOTC]

Victia wrote...

Ace of Dawn wrote...

iakus wrote...
See this is the kind of useful and polite dialogue I like to see.

Personlly I don't want to see multiplayer in ME3.  I do not hold to the rule that every game that involvs gunfights must have multiplayer.  And if it is in, I won't use it.  I haven't gone mp shooters since Goldeneye (the first time it was around)

But if I can be assured that having multiplayer in the game will not alter the single player experience one bit, that everything in the single player game was locked in before multiplayer gets addresed, and nothing at all was sacrificed, then I say fine, whatever.

I can certainly agree with that. If there is MP, evidence points to very little being sacrificed. Beyond that, ME3 having MP will make little difference to me.

Agreed, I only have a problem with MP if it affects the single player game (which does seem to be a huge trend at the moment). If Bioware can do an awsome, long SP game and add in MP without it  affecting the former I dont really care one way or the other

This too is my only concern about MP and to be honest if it were just BW, I wouldn’t be concerned at all.  But after DA2 was rushed out the door, we know EA will compromise anything to make a buck.  Idealistically, any sort of MP or Co-Op should be a day one DLC either included w/ the collector’s edition or something that has to pay for itself.  Another route would be the crack dealer’s school of business, i. e. the first one is free.  Add a third disc w/ a “handful of missions” in the package to get people hooked (or use as a decorative coaster).  Then sell DLC maps to the masses.  However, if EA is “pushing” for MP as the rumor suggests then it will be on the main disc.  If BW can do it w/out compromising the SP, (and I believe they will strive to do so), then great.  If not, MP will be on the disc anyway and that’s just tough for SP fans. 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 07 août 2011 - 03:56 .

[MrAndree]

They already pushed back the release date of ME 3 with a few months to give BW more time to finish it properly (or add MP). I guess that means they learned their lesson with DA 2.

[Gatt9]

Phaedon wrote...

Therefore_I_Am wrote...


At the end of the day, the big-nosed suits at EA call the shots. By all rights, the company reps shouldn't even take part in the gaming industry, given their attitude. They might as well be bankers or lawyers.

Except that the gaming industry , happens to be a business just like any other industry.
Companies need to make money to support as expensive projects as this and the developers need to feed their families.

Yeah,  because EA did such a great job giving Origin,  Westwood,  and Bullfrog their creative freedom to create the games they were known for and thrive...wait...no...EA forced them into designing games EA wanted,  and then shuttered them when it failed.

EA has no need of anyone but the FIFA and NFL teams,  doesn't matter if any other game studio is shut down or not.

Turned out they were right? You do realize that that is subjective, correct?
Disappointed? That doesn't even make sense at this point.
Skeptical? He downright stated it three times, and he didn't dodge anything. "Will there be MP in ME3" "Well, we tried, but failed."

That is not dodging.

And you didn't reply to the "small chance" part of my post. Okay

Seriously,  did you even read what you're talking about?  He didn't say that they tried and failed,  he didn't say it isn't there.  He said they couldn't find a way to integrate it as a component of the storyline,  but that does not mean it isn't a secondary game mode.

[RPGamer13]

Multillayer? For real?

I just hope I don't suck as bad as Gears of War 2. I also wouldn't want it to be just a bunch of Shepards running around. A Horde-like humans and the other races vs ths different reaper husks would be interesting I think.

[crimzontearz]

Phaedon wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
and yet they never specified if they meant ME1 and 2 or also ME3. Mind you.....I'll be 100% happy if there is not MP in ME3, I am just very skeptical without a direct, unquestionable and un-interpretable answer

"Will there be multiplayer in ME3?"

"We looked at multiplayer for the Mass Effect series since the very beginning, but could not find a way to implement it without compromising the single player story...Mass Effect is very much about the story"

operative word is "presumably". Which means you are not sure and thus in the same speculative boat as us all. Stop trying to pass off as if you were speaking through dogmatic truths.

pre·sum·a·ble  (pr-zm-bl)adj.That can be presumed or taken for granted; reasonable as a supposition: presumable causes of the disaster.pre·suma·bly adv.

Fact I: The "rejections" for the Kinect or the PS3 version came several months, or even a year before their official announcement.

Fact II: This statement which has been repeated more times than it it is necessary was made two weeks ago.

fear implies I am "afraid" of something...which I am not. Disappointed? Skeptical? sure....but "afraid" no. I was skeptical about DA2, a lot of people were and it turned out they were right. A lot of people were skeptical about the level of customization for squaddies in ME2...turned out they were right. I am just saying I am not believing anything one way or the other without a clear cut, direct non dodgy answer

Turned out they were right? You do realize that that is subjective, correct?
Disappointed? That doesn't even make sense at this point.
Skeptical? He downright stated it three times, and he didn't dodge anything. "Will there be MP in ME3" "Well, we tried, but failed."

That is not dodging.

And you didn't reply to the "small chance" part of my post. Okay.

blame the quotes, they ate part of my posts

First off, from your own definition reasonable as a supposition. It is a supposition, reasonable as it is it still is not an undeniable truth. deal with it. You know nothing more than we do you simply choose to see the glass half full and I do not until I am actually there, next to the glass with a measuring tape making sure it is actually half empty and not "more than half empty".

Secondly, sure it is subjective but hey according to Silicon Knights (and some fans)Too Human is actually an awesome game! And some people actually say DNF was downright fantastic! Yet the fact remains that even critically DA2 was definitely not as acclaimed as other Bioware games. And a lot of people were skeptical about the quality of the final product as info was being released and they were right.

Furthermore, Disappointed does make sense IF the MP rumor turns out being true. I'm Disappointed perhaps because of my own ideas as per what ME should focus on but disappointed non the less. (I am also disappointed by DA2 in general but still...anyways)


Again, "we tried and it did not fit" is not a "No, no MP in ME3 period".

Oh and, back when ME2 was in pre-release someone told me "non customizable squadmates? HA! fat chance of that". Guess what happened?

answer this, if it is THAT certain and obviously (according to your logic) they made the press aware of the non existence of MP in ME3 before then why not simply SAY so here when Brennon for instance was on yesterday and could have simply locked this thread (like he did others) with ease putting the argument to rest?

[Fiery Phoenix]

Phaedon wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...
I'm not sure of anything anymore, Didy. I guess we should always assume/expect the worst anyway. What's really driving me nuts is the fact that they're refusing to flatly deny these MP rumors. Saying "We've considered it," or "We're focusing on the SP" is a non-answer and leaves you with more question than answers, yet it's all we've ever heard about this. 

Oh well, GamesCom is just a couple weeks ahead, right? Right. *goes back to playing Dead Space 2*

Um,no.

They have said "We have considered it" but "it doesn't fit.".


If it turns out Hudson was trolling, then you can get your torch and pitchfork  .

I know that's what they said, and frankly, I don't care because it still isn't the kind of answer we'd like to hear.