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[marshalleck]

Put it another way...if MP does come to ME3, will anyone be able to point to a specific comment from Bioware which clearly, unambiguously ruled out the possibility?

No.

Why do you suppose that is? Hmm.

[Fiery Phoenix]

marshalleck wrote...

Put it another way...if MP does come to ME3, will anyone be able to point to a specific comment from Bioware which clearly, unambiguously ruled out the possibility?

No.

Why do you suppose that is? Hmm.

Exactly.

[Chris Priestly]

marshalleck wrote...

Why do you suppose that is? Hmm.

Because we do not comment on rumors? Because we do not ever want to close ourselves off for a possibility for sometime (days, weeks, years, etc) in the future? Because no one believes us no matter what we say? Because you think impure thoughts about Martha Stewart? Because we don't want to?

I give up? Why?

[Seeker Sparrow]

marshalleck wrote...

Put it another way...if MP does come to ME3, will anyone be able to point to a specific comment from Bioware which clearly, unambiguously ruled out the possibility?

No.

Why do you suppose that is? Hmm.

I think maybe part of the reason BW don't want to shut down the MP rumours is because it's still causing something of a buzz in the gaming world, so perhaps they want to listen to some of the MP rumblings so it gives them a better idea for what they want to make AFTER Mass Effect 3 has been released.

Just a thought.

[Phaedon]

crimzontearz wrote...
blame the quotes, they ate part of my posts

First off, from your own definition reasonable as a supposition. It is a supposition, reasonable as it is it still is not an undeniable truth. deal with it. You know nothing more than we do you simply choose to see the glass half full and I do not until I am actually there, next to the glass with a measuring tape making sure it is actually half empty and not "more than half empty".

Deal with it? I don't have to.

Both of those statements are essentially a year old before the actual announcements. Unless porting or implementing Kinect controls takes so long (Tip: They happen to be WIP), it's you who has to prove that they lied to us back then and spent so many months on developing these features.

Oh and here is another note. They stopped rejecting them after a while. The last rejection is 2 weeks old. Paranoid much? 

Secondly, sure it is subjective but hey according to Silicon Knights (and some fans)Too Human is actually an awesome game! And some people actually say DNF was downright fantastic!

OMG! People have differing opinions!

Sense of entitlement and of authority over your own opinion, much?

Yet the fact remains that even critically DA2 was definitely not as acclaimed as other Bioware games. And a lot of people were skeptical about the quality of the final product as info was being released and they were right.

"DA2 was not as critically acclaimed as DA:O, so it is indeed a true fact that the quality was overall worse."

Please pull a useful argument rather than posting random examples of skepticists who considered themselves to be right by the end of the day.

Furthermore, Disappointed does make sense IF the MP rumor turns out being true. I'm Disappointed perhaps because of my own ideas as per what ME should focus on but disappointed non the less. (I am also disappointed by DA2 in general but still...anyways)

IF and only IF, which is why I said that it doesn't make sense at this point.

Again, "we tried and it did not fit" is not a "No, no MP in ME3 period".

Uh, yes it is. We would have had it, if it fitted.

Oh and, back when ME2 was in pre-release someone told me "non customizable squadmates? HA! fat chance of that". Guess what happened?

That's your own problem and everyone else's who thought that you could customize characters from 7 different races which don't even have the same bodytype, using ME1's already broken system.

answer this, if it is THAT certain and obviously (according to your logic) they made the press aware of the non existence of MP in ME3 before then why not simply SAY so here when Brennon for instance was on yesterday and could have simply locked this thread (like he did others) with ease putting the argument to rest?

Because more threads would pop up? As they did?

Have you been following the forums over this past year? They have been locking MP threads until they got tired of it.

Modifié par Phaedon, 07 août 2011 - 04:35 .

[crimzontearz]

Chris Priestly wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Why do you suppose that is? Hmm.

Because we do not comment on rumors? Because we do not ever want to close ourselves off for a possibility for sometime (days, weeks, years, etc) in the future? Because no one believes us no matter what we say? Because you think impure thoughts about Martha Stewart? Because we don't want to?

I give up? Why?

yes but according to yours truly Phaedon you guys already publicly denied the presence of MP in ME3 so.....................

[javierabegazo]

Phaedon wrote...

Have you been following the forums over this past year? They have been locking MP threads until they got tired of it.

Yup, that pretty much sums it up.

[CroGamer002]

Chris Priestly wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Why do you suppose that is? Hmm.

Because we do not comment on rumors? Because we do not ever want to close ourselves off for a possibility for sometime (days, weeks, years, etc) in the future? Because no one believes us no matter what we say? Because you think impure thoughts about Martha Stewart? Because we don't want to?

I give up? Why?

You, whole Bioware and EA love to troll us?
Well, we did deserved it.

[Imperator Augustus]

While the persistent rumors of multiplayer are somewhat disconcerting, we have to remember that they are just rumors. The magazine has been shown to have no solid info or sources. And we have to remember that this is video game journalism. For all we know, their supposed "inside source" could be the writer's father's bother's sister's mother's cousin's former room mate who worked at EA as a janitor and overheard someone say "well wouldn't it be cool if ME3 had multiplayer?"

Anyway, it just doesn't make sense to include it at this point. It's the final game of the story arc and the sheer amount of balancing required would be enormous. Powers like adrenalin rush would have to be removed entirely. Secondly, I think we are also overestimating EA's supposed control over Bioware. Though Bioware is a division of EA, they still operate their own studios and are essentially autonomous. All EA really does is act as publisher. I can understand why people are apprehensive about having EA looming over Bioware, but they're not the evil jerks that they were in the past decade. They don't really interfere as much today as companies like Ubisoft or Activision. We can't really blame them too much if Bioware screws up in some way. DA2 flopped because of the laziness of the dev team (which was separate from the ME one), not because EA arbitrarily interfered. I for one remain optimistic, and until we get dev confirmation on something, we shouldn't trust anything.

[Mr Powers94]

http://videogamewrit...mag-cover-19126
follow link at bottom

[dheer]

Chris Priestly wrote...
Because you think impure thoughts about Martha Stewart?

Have you seen pictures of when she was younger?

*dirty mind engaged*

[GreenSoda]

Mr Powers94 wrote...

http://videogamewrit...mag-cover-19126
follow link at bottom

...so ? It points to Neogaf which points back to the uk mag (so it's a circle, naming itself as source)...ohh you mean that the bulk of the neogaf posters are also turned off by the idea of a ME3-mp ?

[Legion64]

The Biotic God thought of this! He thinks things, and they happen!

I wouldn't mind a little multiplayer. Just as long as it isn't player against player type of multiplayer. That just leads to hate.

[shepskisaac]

Chris Priestly wrote...
Because you think impure thoughts about Martha Stewart?

[TheRealJayDee]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

The PLC wrote...

I just don't get it. Everything speaks against including MP:
1. (most) People don't want it.
2. The lack of multiplayer didn't bother anyone in ME1 & 2.
3. If the multiplayer isn't very good, or just average, the game will receive a lower score by critics (which is where a lot of potential customers decide if the game is worth their money or not).
4. It will take up space on the disc, that could have been used for more missions, sidequests, dialogue etc.
5. It's the third game, the epic finale, of the trilogy. Why introduce multiplayer now? Why not just end the trilogy with a bang, and save MP for the next game in the ME universe!?

And people keeps saying that EA are the ones who's doing this. EA published ME2, DA:O and DA2. They could have forced Bioware to include MP a long time ago, but they didn't. Bioware is a very respected RPG developer who's been in the business for years, and I honestly don't think EA would 'force' them to include a major feature like MP. EA are are not stupid. Mass Effect 2 received tons of praise from the gaming press and the people. Why would they risk ****ing that up, with a bad/mediocre MP? It just doesn't make any sense!

This.

I don't want to come across as doubting BioWare's ability to develop a decent MP componant, but this just doesn't seem like the correct time for them to attempt to implement it? Rockstar are the best example of a developer adding a MP componant to a typically SP game, and they seemingly set out to do so from the off. Not to mention that it was hardly considered the crowning jewel of that game, and took some time to perfect. Implementing something, even a small something, in the third game in a trilogy, in a genre of game that arguably doesn't suit multiplayer as naturally as the GTA/RDR style does, just seems folly.

Lastly, it just seems to me that on top of everything the quoted post says, it makes much more financial sense for both EA and BioWare to release ME3 as a single player game - a game that is almost guaranteed to shift a huge amount of copies and get a whole lot of media attention in the process (and which is very unlikely to review badly); then follow it up with the news that the 'next installment in the MASS EFFECT franchise will bring a whole new element to the table: Multiplayer'. That would be huge news and drum up new media (and gamer) attention in the franchise post-trilogy.

If Mass Effect has already tried it's hand at Multiplayer previously on the other hand, even if somewhat successfully, it will have less of an impact and feel a little 'been done'. It'll still be well covered of course, but it strikes me as there being no reason to rush this franchise anymore than they are already.

Plus, depending on timings, said multiplayer game's release may end up coinciding with the release of a certain movie. Boom.

You guys summed up my thoughts and feelings perfectly. I wish we could just get a clear "No multiplayer in ME3" from BioWare, because anything else just doesn't seem to make much sense...

[crimzontearz]

Phaedon wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
blame the quotes, they ate part of my posts

First off, from your own definition reasonable as a supposition. It is a supposition, reasonable as it is it still is not an undeniable truth. deal with it. You know nothing more than we do you simply choose to see the glass half full and I do not until I am actually there, next to the glass with a measuring tape making sure it is actually half empty and not "more than half empty".

Deal with it? I don't have to.

Both of those statements are essentially a year old before the actual announcements. Unless porting or implementing Kinect controls takes so long (Tip: They happen to be WIP), it's you who has to prove that they lied to us back then and spent so many months on developing these features.

Oh and here is another note. They stopped rejecting them after a while. The last rejection is 2 weeks old. Paranoid much? 

Secondly, sure it is subjective but hey according to Silicon Knights (and some fans)Too Human is actually an awesome game! And some people actually say DNF was downright fantastic!

OMG! People have differing opinions!

Sense of entitlement and of authority over your own opinion, much?

Yet the fact remains that even critically DA2 was definitely not as acclaimed as other Bioware games. And a lot of people were skeptical about the quality of the final product as info was being released and they were right.

"DA2 was not as critically acclaimed as DA:O, so it is indeed a true fact that the quality was overall worse."

Please pull a useful argument rather than posting random examples of skepticists who considered themselves to be right by the end of the day.

Furthermore, Disappointed does make sense IF the MP rumor turns out being true. I'm Disappointed perhaps because of my own ideas as per what ME should focus on but disappointed non the less. (I am also disappointed by DA2 in general but still...anyways)

IF and only IF, which is why I said that it doesn't make sense at this point.

Again, "we tried and it did not fit" is not a "No, no MP in ME3 period".

Uh, yes it is. We would have had it, if it fitted.

Oh and, back when ME2 was in pre-release someone told me "non customizable squadmates? HA! fat chance of that". Guess what happened?

That's your own problem and everyone else's who thought that you could customize characters from 7 different races which don't even have the same bodytype, using ME1's already broken system.

answer this, if it is THAT certain and obviously (according to your logic) they made the press aware of the non existence of MP in ME3 before then why not simply SAY so here when Brennon for instance was on yesterday and could have simply locked this thread (like he did others) with ease putting the argument to rest?

Because more threads would pop up? As they did?

Have you been following the forums over this past year? They have been locking MP threads until they got tired of it.

ok the whole quoting thing is getting to my head so I'll just coalesce it all 

wether or not you put  any value in in critical acclaims and so on and so forth the general curront of thought about DA2 both here and in my personal experience (talking to some of my friends at Gamestop, bestbuy and other outlets where I preorder my games) is that DA2 was slightly subpar for Bioware. Yes people have differing opinions but guess what? There are products that, in the general consensus, are considered inferior......too human, DNF, Two Worlds and so on and so forth (in spite of the fact these games MIGHT have gotten some things right). 

But this thread is about MP right? 


Now then........look at what Priestly just did, he came in...... and said absolutely nothing definitive but hey according to you Bioware denied the rumors multiple times DIRECTLY to the press so why not say anything? why not  give a confirmation even without locking the thread one way or another? Also look at how he worded his post "we do not want to close ourselves off from any possibilities". Does that sound like a "no, no MP in ME3" to you? To me it does not, It does on the other hand, sound like a dodge, sybilline answer on the matter.......now why would that be?

because if you think about it the community here kinda polices itself. Priestly can say that we suck as much as likes and that we never listen but a simple, clear cut "no, not happening" from Priestly would be used by pretty much EVERY resident member  of this forum EVERY time a MP thread popped up. followed by a "stenface-NO" pic. Followed by the locking of the thread of course. It happened before with other features (even tho Bioware made us look like morons sometimes like with the PS3 version of the game). Besides if these topics are going to still pop up then might as well give the tools to the community to deal with the swiftly.

[didymos1120]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Because no one believes us no matter what we say?

That's not true.  Some of us will at least admit there's a possibility that you're telling the truth.

Because you think impure thoughts about Martha Stewart?

And that's a good...wait, what?

[didymos1120]

Mr Powers94 wrote...

http://videogamewrit...mag-cover-19126
follow link at bottom

I'm beginning to think the entire internet is allergic to fact-checking.

[Vicex]

Chris Priestly wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Why do you suppose that is? Hmm.

Because we do not comment on rumors? Because we do not ever want to close ourselves off for a possibility for sometime (days, weeks, years, etc) in the future? Because no one believes us no matter what we say? Because you think impure thoughts about Martha Stewart? Because we don't want to?

I give up? Why?

I still don't understand this community. If they were going to have a reveal of a new big feature, would they not do that at some important event like say Gamescom? Even then the game is still months from being released, why would they announce/dismiss a feature until they are absolutely sure that said feature will or will not be in the final product? Any past comments regarding multiplayer were made months ago, and guess what... things change, nothing is set in stone until the release, and even afterwards things are still subject to change.


Not to come off too harsh sounding, but all this constant jumping the gun and judging before we even see it is getting kind of ridiculous.

Modifié par Vicex, 07 août 2011 - 05:26 .

[100k]

Chris Priestly wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Why do you suppose that is? Hmm.

Because we do not comment on rumors? Because we do not ever want to close ourselves off for a possibility for sometime (days, weeks, years, etc) in the future...?

Well, I for one think that you're just--

  Because you think impure thoughts about Martha Stewart?

Modifié par 100k, 07 août 2011 - 05:28 .

[didymos1120]

Vicex wrote...

Any past comments regarding multiplayer were made months ago...

Well, actually, it's more like last week.

[King Minos]

So chris, how can we believe you when you dont give us a straight answer? The way you guys reply causes all these threads to pop up because no one has the answer, and giving ambiguous answer such as how you just replied does not help at all and was frankly pointless infact it causes more arguments on the forum.

[TheRealJayDee]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Because we do not ever want to close ourselves off for a possibility for sometime (days, weeks, years, etc) in the future?

So I'll quote you for hinting at ME3 coming 2013+?

Chris Priestly wrote...
Because no one believes us no matter what we say?

Call me naive, but I probably would believe you.

Chris Priestly wrote...
Because you think impure thoughts about Martha Stewart?

...what?

Chris Priestly wrote...
Because we don't want to?

Oh... okay...

[Vicex]

didymos1120 wrote...

Vicex wrote...

Any past comments regarding multiplayer were made months ago...

Well, actually, it's more like last week.

Case and point of my last post. This is not about when they said it, it is about things change. He never even answered it directly he only said they have not figured out a way to make it work (at that time, it does not mean they are not actively trying to figure it out). So it may/or may not be a reality. This is what I mean about the community and jumping the gun and hearing only what they want to hear.

Modifié par Vicex, 07 août 2011 - 05:40 .