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[CannotCompute]

The ad could be misleading. It might mean Casey got interviewed about possible multiplayer modes for ME3. In the article he could still state there's no room for multiplayer in ME3, but that the presence of multiplayer in future games might be a definite possibility.

Modifié par CannotCompute, 05 août 2011 - 10:07 .

[crimzontearz]

emanziboy wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...


Assassin's Creed did well with multiplayer. And besides, it's just optional content. It's not like it's mandatory.

your point being?

if MP takes resources away from the single player experience (which unless it is being made as a Download only  from an external studio  it obviously is) then I flat out DO NOT WANT IT

My point is that a single player game can do well with MP. And explain how it takes away from the SP experience. Please provide examples.

seriously? are you THAT thick?

let's say Bioware has a budget of 1 000 000$ ok?

If they decide to devote 50 000 to multiplayer those 50 000 are NOT being devoted to the single player  experience which now only has a budget of 950 000$

950 000 < 1 000 000

I am not sure how I could make it ANY simpler.

Except that's not how budgets work. If EA thinks adding Multiplayer will increase sales, then they will increase the budget of the game to accomodate it.

which is exactly what they should do but giving the money to ANOTHER team  thus not drawing upon Bioware's man-power. That particular point was never argued upon.

[SynheKatze]

Ghost-621 wrote...

This is pathetic...I just spent the summer watching Mass Effect die.

Yes, this is the attitude a guy should have towards unconfirmed rumours! Instead of keeping your cool, you start frowing and regretting ...

Just be patient, dawg.

[JPfanner]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
My point is that a single player game can do well with MP. And explain how it takes away from the SP experience. Please provide examples.

Probably because I never want to play Mass Effect: Homefront.

[Ghost-621]

SNascimento wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Every true ME fan's thoughts.

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And who are you to define what is a "true" Mass Effect fan?
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About the magazine, I'm really hoping for a multiplayer in ME3... there is more than room for it without sacrificing the single-player, like Assassin's Creed. 

Mass Effect used to/was supposed to be a trilogy based solely on YOUR actions, story and YOURS ALONE. Who am I to say what a "true" Mass Effect fan is? The ones who played the game and loved it for what it actually was. A singleplayer story.

Why do you people keep throwing out Assassin's Creed's multiplayer like it's a "good" example? Not only was the campaign shorter, it was even crappier. Have you even actually tried to sit down and play a game of it online? Half of the time you're stuck "searching" for a match.

[crimzontearz]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...


seriously? are you THAT thick?

let's say Bioware has a budget of 1 000 000$ ok?

If they decide to devote 50 000 to multiplayer those 50 000 are NOT being devoted to the single player  experience which now only has a budget of 950 000$

950 000 < 1 000 000

I am not sure how I could make it ANY simpler.


that said, IF the MP was made by an external studio with it own budget separate from Bioware then I'd have no issue with it and I am sure they could make it successfull and awesome and whatnot.....I'd be happy for it if uninterested in it

but as things stand now? NO

And how do you know that ME3 will be lessened by it? And you did not provide an example of an sp game ruined by mp.

ok......now I am convinced that either you are stupid or you are acting stupid on purpose

THE MP ALONE IS NOT THE CONCERN

as highlighted by my last sentence I'd be ok with it (given my conditions)

it's existence is not a problem it does not marr the game, the sypohning of resources (that could be added to the SP experience) is

[RocketManSR2]

It's still a week day and nobody from BW has come in here. Surely the mods have seen the topic on the board by now.

- Not a good sign.

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 05 août 2011 - 10:11 .

[emanziboy]

crimzontearz wrote...

emanziboy wrote...

Except that's not how budgets work. If EA thinks adding Multiplayer will increase sales, then they will increase the budget of the game to accomodate it.

which is exactly what they should do but giving the money to ANOTHER team  thus not drawing upon Bioware's man-power. That particular point was never argued upon.

But according to the rumors: www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-16-four-player-co-op-for-mass-effect-3
It IS being made by a seperate team: Bioware Montreal, the people who made the Arrival DLC.

Modifié par emanziboy, 05 août 2011 - 10:13 .

[PsychoWARD23]

Oh god, oh god, my body is ready

[LGTX]

Someone rename this thread into "ME3 MP CONFIRMED!111oneone" or something along those lines, so that Bioware gets scared of leaks and throws a word in

Ghost-621 wrote...

Every true ME fan's thoughts.

I'll take that as an insult.

[Ghost-621]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

JPfanner wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
My point is that a single player game can do well with MP. And explain how it takes away from the SP experience. Please provide examples.

Probably because I never want to play Mass Effect: Homefront.

Then don't do the multiplayer. Optional content is optional.

You really that daft? 

Homefront was advertised and paraded around based off of its story for the most part, go back and watch the commercials and advertisements. It had a 3 1/2 hour campaign that was HEAVILY scripted.

[SNascimento]

Ghost-621 wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Every true ME fan's thoughts.

.
And who are you to define what is a "true" Mass Effect fan?
.
About the magazine, I'm really hoping for a multiplayer in ME3... there is more than room for it without sacrificing the single-player, like Assassin's Creed. 

Mass Effect used to/was supposed to be a trilogy based solely on YOUR actions, story and YOURS ALONE. Who am I to say what a "true" Mass Effect fan is? The ones who played the game and loved it for what it actually was. A singleplayer story.

Why do you people keep throwing out Assassin's Creed's multiplayer like it's a "good" example? Not only was the campaign shorter, it was even crappier. Have you even actually tried to sit down and play a game of it online? Half of the time you're stuck "searching" for a match.

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Because the single player is as good as AC2. 
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And having multiplayer doesn't mean it will influence the single-player story. It can be something totally distinct. Like deathmatch or a horde mode. 
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Well, I really don't care if you guys want to freak out. 

[Kreid]

I read a post yesterday I think when someone claimed an EA representative that went to his/her work and briefed them on new games said that the MP would be DLC, if so I think most everyone will rest easily.

Anyways, EA is pushing for MP since last year, if not look at the tackled Dead Space 2 Multi, they're obviously pressing for it on ME as well so don't hold it againt Casey MP was possibly not planned when he made the comment.

[eternalnightmare13]

Has anyone actually gone to a store and looked through the mag, or are you all flipping out like usual with no factual basis for it?

[RocketManSR2]

On top of this news, remembering Casey's comment during SDCC about how ME3 will be more "replay" focused leads me to believe the game will be way shorter than 2. Even with side quests.

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 05 août 2011 - 10:19 .

[PsychoWARD23]

Ahh, I picked a terrible time to go on vacation. I'll have to wait all week waiting to see if this is actual multiplayer or not.

[Ghost-621]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

JPfanner wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
My point is that a single player game can do well with MP. And explain how it takes away from the SP experience. Please provide examples.

Probably because I never want to play Mass Effect: Homefront.

Then don't do the multiplayer. Optional content is optional.

You really that daft? 

Homefront was advertised and paraded around based off of its story for the most part, go back and watch the commercials and advertisements. It had a 3 1/2 hour campaign that was HEAVILY scripted.

Are you daft? This is Bioware we're talking about. Comparing this to the epic fail that was Homefront is a HUGE exaggeration.

You're right, this IS Bioware we're talking about. Take a good, long, hard look at DA2 and try to tell everyone that they don't ruin games to cater to the "casual" audience.

Also, I think Bioware/EA is just doing this right now:

[Gatt9]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...


seriously? are you THAT thick?

let's say Bioware has a budget of 1 000 000$ ok?

If they decide to devote 50 000 to multiplayer those 50 000 are NOT being devoted to the single player  experience which now only has a budget of 950 000$

950 000 < 1 000 000

I am not sure how I could make it ANY simpler.


that said, IF the MP was made by an external studio with it own budget separate from Bioware then I'd have no issue with it and I am sure they could make it successfull and awesome and whatnot.....I'd be happy for it if uninterested in it

but as things stand now? NO

And how do you know that ME3 will be lessened by it? And you did not provide an example of an sp game ruined by mp.

How are you not getting this?  Look above at the math.

Then think about it.  In what way does multiplayer benefit a single player narrative driven RPG?  It doesn't,  like kinect it's another useless feature forced in by suits,  removing development time from creating a good game. 

EA wants multiplayer in everything so they can force people who buy used to pay them,  it's Used-game-DRM. 

I'll go on record as commiting to it now,  ME3 is going to bomb so hard that it'll make DA2 look like a good release.  With resources being shifted to features that don't improve the game at all,  just to satisfy suits,  there's no way this will end well.

Suit-dictated design never ends well.

[LGTX]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

On top of this news, remembering Casey's comment during SDCC about how ME3 will be more "replay" focused leads me to believe the game will be way shorter than 2. Even with side quests.

Another thing he said was that the length of ME3 would be roughly the same as ME2. And that the replay value would go up because of the refinements to gameplay, and the deeper economy.

[emanziboy]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

On top of this news, remembering Casey's comment during SDCC about how ME3 will be more "replay" focused leads me to believe the game will be way shorter than 2. Even with side quests.

I think Casey Hudson on twitter, way back when he first got on, was asked about game length, and he said that they were aiming for ME2 length. The whole replay comment had more to do with all the different ways the game could end.

Modifié par emanziboy, 05 août 2011 - 10:25 .