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[Virginian]

Mesina2 wrote...

BS.

It was confirmed twice by Casey there's no multiplayer in ME3

Casey is human. Humans can lie.

[emanziboy]

Gatt9 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...


seriously? are you THAT thick?

let's say Bioware has a budget of 1 000 000$ ok?

If they decide to devote 50 000 to multiplayer those 50 000 are NOT being devoted to the single player  experience which now only has a budget of 950 000$

950 000 < 1 000 000

I am not sure how I could make it ANY simpler.


that said, IF the MP was made by an external studio with it own budget separate from Bioware then I'd have no issue with it and I am sure they could make it successfull and awesome and whatnot.....I'd be happy for it if uninterested in it

but as things stand now? NO

And how do you know that ME3 will be lessened by it? And you did not provide an example of an sp game ruined by mp.

How are you not getting this?  Look above at the math.

Then think about it.  In what way does multiplayer benefit a single player narrative driven RPG?  It doesn't,  like kinect it's another useless feature forced in by suits,  removing development time from creating a good game. 

Did you just skip past my post? I thought I adressed this pretty well.

[RocketManSR2]

emanziboy wrote...
I think it was Casey Hudson on twitter, way back when he first got on was asked about game length, and he said that they were aiming for ME2 length. The whole replay comment had more to do with all the different ways the game could end.

I hope so. That stupid magazine has me on edge. Now I'm focused on what could go wrong.

[crimzontearz]

emanziboy wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

emanziboy wrote...
Except that's not how budgets work. If EA thinks adding Multiplayer will increase sales, then they will increase the budget of the game to accomodate it.

which is exactly what they should do but giving the money to ANOTHER team  thus not drawing upon Bioware's man-power. That particular point was never argued upon.

But according to the rumors: www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-16-four-player-co-op-for-mass-effect-3

It IS being made by a seperate team: Bioware Montreal, the people who made the Arrival DLC.

Bioware montreal needs to focus on its story driven DLC as they did before. Drawing manpower from them diminishes the amount of potential single player DLC we are going to get

the team needs to be completelny external with maybe 1 project lead helping them

[CroGamer002]

Virginian wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

BS.

It was confirmed twice by Casey there's no multiplayer in ME3

Casey is human. Humans can lie.

While this obscure magazine in industry with almost no credible journalist is legit?

[LGTX]

crimzontearz wrote...

emanziboy wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

emanziboy wrote...
Except that's not how budgets work. If EA thinks adding Multiplayer will increase sales, then they will increase the budget of the game to accomodate it.

which is exactly what they should do but giving the money to ANOTHER team  thus not drawing upon Bioware's man-power. That particular point was never argued upon.

But according to the rumors: www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-16-four-player-co-op-for-mass-effect-3

It IS being made by a seperate team: Bioware Montreal, the people who made the Arrival DLC.

Bioware montreal needs to focus on its story driven DLC as they did before. Drawing manpower from them diminishes the amount of potential single player DLC we are going to get

the team needs to be completelny external with maybe 1 project lead helping them

DLCs are DLCs because they're made after the game. And a story-driven mission ME3, where the end is... definitive? Unless it's some weird flashback thing, not gonna work well.

[Ghost-621]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

You're right, this IS Bioware we're talking about. Take a good, long, hard look at DA2 and try to tell everyone that they don't ruin games to cater to the "casual" audience.

Also, I think Bioware/EA is just doing this right now:

DA2 wasn't that bad, it just wasn't great (still better than DAO in my opinion).

The game won't be ruined, I think. You are more than likely over reacting. And as a memeber of the "casual crowd," you can go f*ck yourself.

You "casual" gamers are the one who ruin every game with an actual story, because everybody feels the need to cater to you and your lack of intelligence. Wouldn't want to lose you by making the game too complicated for you.

As a member of the intellectual crowd who has a brain to enjoy more than a "Press X to Awesome" Corridor-Shooter, right back at you buddy<3

[emanziboy]

crimzontearz wrote...

emanziboy wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

emanziboy wrote...
Except that's not how budgets work. If EA thinks adding Multiplayer will increase sales, then they will increase the budget of the game to accomodate it.

which is exactly what they should do but giving the money to ANOTHER team  thus not drawing upon Bioware's man-power. That particular point was never argued upon.

But according to the rumors: www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-16-four-player-co-op-for-mass-effect-3

It IS being made by a seperate team: Bioware Montreal, the people who made the Arrival DLC.

Bioware montreal needs to focus on its story driven DLC as they did before. Drawing manpower from them diminishes the amount of potential single player DLC we are going to get

the team needs to be completelny external with maybe 1 project lead helping them

It's a little early to be working on DLC don't you think? Montreal only made the one DLC, Edmonton handled everything else, so we wouldn't exactly be losing all that much DLC. Besides, there's no reason they can't shift into DLC mode once ME3 is shipped.

[timj2011]

Ghost-621 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

You're right, this IS Bioware we're talking about. Take a good, long, hard look at DA2 and try to tell everyone that they don't ruin games to cater to the "casual" audience.

Also, I think Bioware/EA is just doing this right now:
*snip*

DA2 wasn't that bad, it just wasn't great (still better than DAO in my opinion).

The game won't be ruined, I think. You are more than likely over reacting. And as a memeber of the "casual crowd," you can go f*ck yourself.

You "casual" gamers are the one who ruin every game with an actual story, because everybody feels the need to cater to you and your lack of intelligence. Wouldn't want to lose you by making the game too complicated for you.

As a member of the intellectual crowd who has a brain to enjoy more than a "Press X to Awesome" Corridor-Shooter, right back at you buddy<3

I fully support everything that was just said.

[Pulletlamer]

Ghost-621 wrote...


You "casual" gamers are the one who ruin every game with an actual story, because everybody feels the need to cater to you and your lack of intelligence. Wouldn't want to lose you by making the game too complicated for you.

I do agree to some point casual gaming ruined the game industry. Just look at Nintendo.

No offense to anyone, though.

[LGTX]

Intelligent people wouldn't throw insults from high horses and put forward games developed by entirely separate studios as examples, just saying. Or maybe I'm behind time.

Someone at some point mentioned that the magazine had the word there to signify details on the possibility of given feature being present, or a definitive resolution of the question. Not necessarily confirmation.

[AlphaJarmel]

So finally confirmed? Heh.

[JPfanner]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Are you daft? This is Bioware we're talking about. Comparing this to the epic fail that was Homefront is a HUGE exaggeration.

It isn't at all considering why Homefront failed.  With the concerns people have it is actually a very recent and relevant example.

Especially if Bioware does "farm out" any possible multiplayer component.  They can take credit if it works out and have a level of fan deniability if it ends up sucking.  Hell, that'd be the way I'd do it.

[Ghost-621]

Tell you what. If MP gets confirmed, I'll take the two minutes out of my time to create a thread where fans can post their name, and which pre-ordered edition of Mass Effect 3 they have cancelled, and a "parting words" message.

[Hillbillyshep]

I think i´ve had enough of your disingues assertions...
No one has actually managed to retrieve a copy of the magazine yet?!
Seriously...

[Dionkey]

If this turns out to be true I am done with Bioware. They are like dirty politicians that lie to your face to look good and then surprise you with something they have been reassuring you about the whole time. Can't even contain my rage right now.

[didymos1120]

marshalleck wrote...
 Zots which if you had passed on Feature X, would have been used on Feature Y instead. 

This is an assumption.  Just as likely is that the total budget was based on a plan that already included Feature X.  I.e., they only got those extra zots because of Feature X.  Had it not been in the plan, the budget wouldn't have been as large as it was, and Feature Y would still be zot-deficient.

[AlphaJarmel]

We knew this was coming for awhile now. Might as well take our lumps and get it over with.

[inkjay]

I hope I can pick James Vega as my char, and that it has killstreaks, and loadouts, and lots of perks and that I can own noobs online and pay EA $15 every 6 months for more multiplayer maps!

Modifié par inkjay, 05 août 2011 - 10:43 .

[The Elder King]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Tell you what. If MP gets confirmed, I'll take the two minutes out of my time to create a thread where fans can post their name, and which pre-ordered edition of Mass Effect 3 they have cancelled, and a "parting words" message.

As much I don't like MP and I don't want to see it in ME3, this is just stupid.

[Ghost-621]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

You "casual" gamers are the one who ruin every game with an actual story, because everybody feels the need to cater to you and your lack of intelligence. Wouldn't want to lose you by making the game too complicated for you.

As a member of the intellectual crowd who has a brain to enjoy more than a "Press X to Awesome" Corridor-Shooter, right back at you buddy<3

The fact that call yourself part of an "intellectual crowd" is is just sad. You need to go outside and play sports or something, man. Or get a girlfriend.

Ruin every game? I'd like you to name a few, if you can. Don't get mad just because games are being made differently.

Aww, you're cute! You get backed into a wall over the interwebs and you throw out the "girlfriend & sunshine" insults out like you want to get personal or something  

Hear that people? If you love Mass Effect for the game it used to be (singleplayer-driven story) you aren't allowed to have an outside life or a relationship with the opposite sex! And...you call my case sad?

Those examples:

Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood (thought I'd put that at the top for you)
Gears of War 2
Crysis 2
Medal of Honor
Splinter Cell (Look at the original games, then at Conviction)
Rainbow Six (Look at the original games, then at Vegas 1&2)
Ghost Recon (Honestly, this one is up in the air for me, I'll have to see more of Future Soldier)
Dragon Age (Look at the first one, then at 2)
Dungeon Siege (Look at the first 2, then at 3)

Do you need any more?