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[subby19]

timj2011 wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

You're right, this IS Bioware we're talking about. Take a good, long, hard look at DA2 and try to tell everyone that they don't ruin games to cater to the "casual" audience.

Also, I think Bioware/EA is just doing this right now:
*snip*

DA2 wasn't that bad, it just wasn't great (still better than DAO in my opinion).

The game won't be ruined, I think. You are more than likely over reacting. And as a memeber of the "casual crowd," you can go f*ck yourself.

You "casual" gamers are the one who ruin every game with an actual story, because everybody feels the need to cater to you and your lack of intelligence. Wouldn't want to lose you by making the game too complicated for you.

As a member of the intellectual crowd who has a brain to enjoy more than a "Press X to Awesome" Corridor-Shooter, right back at you buddy<3

I fully support everything that was just said.

Anyone who truly believes that videogame genre choice has anything to do with intelligence truly has none.
Videogame skills are almost entirely reflexed based and the only genre I can think of that require any higher thinking are the aptly named strategy games, real-time or turn-based.

[Dionkey]

hhh89 wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Tell you what. If MP gets confirmed, I'll take the two minutes out of my time to create a thread where fans can post their name, and which pre-ordered edition of Mass Effect 3 they have cancelled, and a "parting words" message.

As much I don't like MP and I don't want to see it in ME3, this is just stupid.

It's to show people's distaste with Bioware slapping their fans. ANYONE defending this is a straight fanboy or hasn't been with Bioware/Gaming long enough to know why this is such a problem.

[charmingcharlie]

The PLC wrote...

Someone go and buy the f**** magazine already!

Not much point in trying to buy the mag in the UK at the moment since it is nearly Midnight   If this is a UK only mag then most won't get it for another 8 - 9 hours.

[Cancer Puppet]

 "Casey said there is no multiplayer in ME3, it's all about the single player campaign. Here I'll post this quote of this thing he says that I'm interpreting as a clear denial, when in fact it's totally vague and dances around the issue. See, that proves it."

 - Everyone on these forums who took Casey Hudson's lingual gymnastics to mean there was no multiplayer because they didn't want it to be in the game. 

[AlphaJarmel]

Dionkey wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Tell you what. If MP gets confirmed, I'll take the two minutes out of my time to create a thread where fans can post their name, and which pre-ordered edition of Mass Effect 3 they have cancelled, and a "parting words" message.

As much I don't like MP and I don't want to see it in ME3, this is just stupid.

It's to show people's distaste with Bioware slapping their fans. ANYONE defending this is a straight fanboy or hasn't been with Bioware/Gaming long enough to know why this is such a problem.

There is absolutely no problem with this if an outside studio worked on it and it doesn't detract from the single player.

[Dionkey]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Tell you what. If MP gets confirmed, I'll take the two minutes out of my time to create a thread where fans can post their name, and which pre-ordered edition of Mass Effect 3 they have cancelled, and a "parting words" message.

As much I don't like MP and I don't want to see it in ME3, this is just stupid.

It's to show people's distaste with Bioware slapping their fans. ANYONE defending this is a straight fanboy or hasn't been with Bioware/Gaming long enough to know why this is such a problem.

There is absolutely no problem with this if an outside studio worked on it and it doesn't detract from the single player.

http://n4g.com/news/...-dutys-audience

Bioware has been tainted by EA. Origin, Day 1 DLC, and the declining quality are clear examples of this. Now, they want to add multiplayer and have CLEARLY stated that they want the COD audience. Nope, I won't pay for this game if they add it, I don't care who they paid to create it.

[emanziboy]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...
Aww, you're cute! You get backed into a wall over the interwebs and you throw out the "girlfriend & sunshine" insults out like you want to get personal or something  

Hear that people? If you love Mass Effect for the game it used to be (singleplayer-driven story) you aren't allowed to have an outside life or a relationship with the opposite sex! And...you call my case sad?

Those examples:

Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood (thought I'd put that at the top for you)
Gears of War 2
Crysis 2
Medal of Honor
Splinter Cell (Look at the original games, then at Conviction)
Rainbow Six (Look at the original games, then at Vegas 1&2)
Ghost Recon (Honestly, this one is up in the air for me, I'll have to see more of Future Soldier)
Dragon Age (Look at the first one, then at 2)
Dungeon Siege (Look at the first 2, then at 3)

Do you need any more?

The only one I agree with you on is Conviction. The rest are fine, in my opinion. It seems that you are just randomly throwing games out there.

And even that is subjective. Personally, I loved Conviction. The Splinter Cell games were starting to get very repetitive and stale by Double Agent, and Conviction gave the series the shot in the arm it desperately needed.

[AlphaJarmel]

Dionkey wrote...

http://n4g.com/news/...-dutys-audience

Bioware has been tainted by EA. Origin, Day 1 DLC, and the declining quality are clear examples of this. Now, they want to add multiplayer and have CLEARLY stated that they want the COD audience. Nope, I won't pay for this game if they add it, I don't care who they paid to create it.

Who cares what the company wants?  Companies are going to do whatever irregardless.  Your only concern should be the quality of the game itself. 

[The Elder King]

Dionkey wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Tell you what. If MP gets confirmed, I'll take the two minutes out of my time to create a thread where fans can post their name, and which pre-ordered edition of Mass Effect 3 they have cancelled, and a "parting words" message.

As much I don't like MP and I don't want to see it in ME3, this is just stupid.

It's to show people's distaste with Bioware slapping their fans. ANYONE defending this is a straight fanboy or hasn't been with Bioware/Gaming long enough to know why this is such a problem.

I'm not defending it. I absolutely don't like MP, and if it's in ME3, I'll not use it. . We could express our opinion about thaat, but creating a thread where people will say what type of ME3's edition preorder they've cancelled and that they'll leave Bioware forever is a stupid things to do, at least in my opinion.
And frankly, we have no rights to have or not have something in games, even in sequels. Bioware can do whatever they want with their games. If they'll make games I don't like, I'm not going to buy them (and after ME3 I don't know if I'm going to preorder another Bioware game, surely not DA3)

[Dionkey]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

http://n4g.com/news/...-dutys-audience

Bioware has been tainted by EA. Origin, Day 1 DLC, and the declining quality are clear examples of this. Now, they want to add multiplayer and have CLEARLY stated that they want the COD audience. Nope, I won't pay for this game if they add it, I don't care who they paid to create it.

Who cares what the company wants?  Companies are going to do whatever irregardless.  Your only concern should be the quality of the game itself. 

Which is going to drop because of the shift in audience. Unless your idea of quality is a game being stripped of its elements so it is the most basic shooter that ignores its fundamental lore and history to cater to games that just came into recently. Also, I highly doubt this is done by another studio, they didn't hire multiplayer programmers for nothing.

[Ghost-621]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...
Aww, you're cute! You get backed into a wall over the interwebs and you throw out the "girlfriend & sunshine" insults out like you want to get personal or something  

Hear that people? If you love Mass Effect for the game it used to be (singleplayer-driven story) you aren't allowed to have an outside life or a relationship with the opposite sex! And...you call my case sad?

Those examples:

Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood (thought I'd put that at the top for you)
Gears of War 2
Crysis 2
Medal of Honor
Splinter Cell (Look at the original games, then at Conviction)
Rainbow Six (Look at the original games, then at Vegas 1&2)
Ghost Recon (Honestly, this one is up in the air for me, I'll have to see more of Future Soldier)
Dragon Age (Look at the first one, then at 2)
Dungeon Siege (Look at the first 2, then at 3)

Do you need any more?

All those games were ruined by multiplayer and/or the casual crowd? Don't make me laugh.

The only one I agree with you on is Conviction. The rest are fine, in my opinion. It seems that you are just randomly throwing games out there.

And for that, you fail. :ooks like that intellectual crowd isn't so smart, now is it?

You really are that pathetic..it's like I'm talking to a brick wall.

Crysis 1 had amazing visauls and a long campaign, Crysis 2 was a console game with COD-style multiplayer tacked-on. The visuals were half as good as the first.

Gears of War 2 was imbalanced. Heavily. Campaign was shorter than the first.

Medal of Honor turned into a COD clone.

Ghost Recon could be better or worse. Gotta see more Future Soldier.

Rainbow Six, oh, what has Ubisoft done to you. The original (see Raven Shield) was a heavily tactical and realistic game. You couldn't run out and take a full clip of ammunition to the chest, if you were lucky, the first hit would wound you instead of killing you. You had to plan your entries, exits, when and how to rescue hostages and defuse bombs, and which teams would do what. Vegas is not Rainbow Six.

Dungeon Siege had a good story and gamplay. You made your own character and leveled him up the way you wanted to. DS3 became an ultra-linear console-port with mass-effect conversation mechanics. 

Again, Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood had a short, awful campaign. 

Dragon Age 2 compared to Dragon Age 1: DA2 is a third-person hack-and-slash.

Randomly throwing out games? Hm. Aight. 

On another note, the "I cancelled my preorder" thread would be a slap right back at bioware.
 

[Dionkey]

hhh89 wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Tell you what. If MP gets confirmed, I'll take the two minutes out of my time to create a thread where fans can post their name, and which pre-ordered edition of Mass Effect 3 they have cancelled, and a "parting words" message.

As much I don't like MP and I don't want to see it in ME3, this is just stupid.

It's to show people's distaste with Bioware slapping their fans. ANYONE defending this is a straight fanboy or hasn't been with Bioware/Gaming long enough to know why this is such a problem.

I'm not defending it. I absolutely don't like MP, and if it's in ME3, I'll not use it. . We could express our opinion about thaat, but creating a thread where people will say what type of ME3's edition preorder they've cancelled and that they'll leave Bioware forever is a stupid things to do, at least in my opinion.
And frankly, we have no rights to have or not have something in games, even in sequels. Bioware can do whatever they want with their games. If they'll make games I don't like, I'm not going to buy them (and after ME3 I don't know if I'm going to preorder another Bioware game, surely not DA3)

I realize they can put whatever they want in those games, they made it so it's their right. But we also have the right to not buy their games and express why we do not want to buy them. Perhaps they will turn around before it's too late.

[SomeKindaEnigma]

 You guys are entirely too emotional over a single word that appeared on a magazine cover lol.

So what if ME3 has multiplayer?  Isn't there an entire Bioware division (newer one, I believe) dedicated to multiplayer gaming development?  IF ME3 has multiplayer, 20 bucks says it will be an extra disk completely separate from the single player experience, was developed by a different team than the one dedicated to the single player story/campaign, and won't detract one bit from the main single player game.  So in short, as Mr. Priestly once responded to people griping about the Kinect, don't like it then DON'T USE IT.  Simple.

On another note, someone claimed Crysis 2 suffered from the inclusion of multiplayer.  I have to disagree, that's entirely your opinion but I thought the game was still very satisfying despite the emphasis on MP.

Modifié par SomeKindaEnigma, 05 août 2011 - 11:05 .

[AlphaJarmel]

Dionkey wrote...

Which is going to drop because of the shift in audience. Unless your idea of quality is a game being stripped of its elements so it is the most basic shooter that ignores its fundamental lore and history to cater to games that just came into recently. Also, I highly doubt this is done by another studio, they didn't hire multiplayer programmers for nothing.

Supposedly Bioware Montreal is supposed to be working on it(possibly with help from Dice).  An optional mode won't have any impact on the single player if that's the case.  Multiplayer doesn't affect crappy writing.

Modifié par AlphaJarmel, 05 août 2011 - 11:05 .

[don-mika]

 please, no multiplayer 
 just let me finish this trilogy, after that do whatever you want 

[spirosz]

Why wouldn't they just include multiplayer in a spin off game? Where it could work in the context of the game itself because as if right now, Mass Effect is focused on one person's story, Shepard's. I personally don't think MP works with this trilogy.

I would rather them focus on concluding this trilogy and then make a spin off, which could include all the races and being able to play as them and working with their strengths. Different time period, setting, etc.

[Niddy']

>spending time and money on multiplayer

/sigh ME3 is going to be ME2 but worse.

[Dionkey]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

Which is going to drop because of the shift in audience. Unless your idea of quality is a game being stripped of its elements so it is the most basic shooter that ignores its fundamental lore and history to cater to games that just came into recently. Also, I highly doubt this is done by another studio, they didn't hire multiplayer programmers for nothing.

Supposedly Bioware Montreal is supposed to be working on it(possibly with help from Dice).  An optional mode won't have any impact on the single player if that's the case.  Multiplayer doesn't affect crappy writing.

It is evident from the E3 demo that the game is now way more action-oriented. If the multiplayer is true, this means they are not simply beefing the action up to make it exciting but rather beefing it up so it is appealing to casual players. Unless the multiplayer is a terrible tack-on (Ala RE5 versus), people are going to also want to play the singleplayer and thus it will hamper the game just like it did in ME2 when they tried to get a new audience.

[The Elder King]

Dionkey wrote...


I realize they can put whatever they want in those games, they made it so it's their right. But we also have the right to not buy their games and express why we do not want to buy them. Perhaps they will turn around before it's too late.

I agree  with you. My first post was about the suggestion of opening a thread where people said that they've cancelled their preorder and that they'll leave Bioware, which is immature. There are right methods to express our opinion whithout whining and being childlish.
About your post before that, we don't know if MP will mean that there will be some feauture that will be stripped down for MP though. I agree that focusing on MP could cut time for SP, but it's not a necessary thing.  Since for me MP isn't something that will make me not buying the game, I'll se how they work on SP and MP when the game will be release (if MP is in ME3. We don't have any confirmation about that).

Modifié par hhh89, 05 août 2011 - 11:10 .

[Someone With Mass]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Rainbow Six, oh, what has Ubisoft done to you. The original (see Raven Shield) was a heavily tactical and realistic game. You couldn't run out and take a full clip of ammunition to the chest, if you were lucky, the first hit would wound you instead of killing you. You had to plan your entries, exits, when and how to rescue hostages and defuse bombs, and which teams would do what. Vegas is not Rainbow Six.
 

That statement proves that you haven't played Rainbow Six Vegas at all, and just makes the whole thing laughable.

[Babli]

[AlphaJarmel]

Dionkey wrote...
 It is evident from the E3 demo that the game is now way more action-oriented. If the multiplayer is true, this means they are not simply beefing the action up to make it exciting but rather beefing it up so it is appealing to casual players. Unless the multiplayer is a terrible tack-on (Ala RE5 versus), people are going to also want to play the singleplayer and thus it will hamper the game just like it did in ME2 when they tried to get a new audience.

This was always going to be the most action packed of all three games.  It's the big conclusion of the story.  Now as to whether Bioware switched stuff around to make it more appealing to a multiplayer audience, who knows?  Only the writers and producers could tell you that.  The gameplay itself is very reminiscient of ME2.

[Dionkey]

hhh89 wrote...

Dionkey wrote...


I realize they can put whatever they want in those games, they made it so it's their right. But we also have the right to not buy their games and express why we do not want to buy them. Perhaps they will turn around before it's too late.

I agree  with you. My first post was about the suggestion of opening a thread where people said that they've cancelled their preorder and that they'll leave Bioware, which is immature. There are right methods to express our opinion whithout whining and being childlish.
About your post before that, we don't know if MP will mean that there will be some feauture that will be stripped down for MP though. I agree that focusing on MP could cut time for SP, but it's not a necessary thing.  Since for me MP isn't something that will make me not buying the game, I'll se how they work on SP and MP when the game will be release (if MP is in ME3. We don't have any confirmation about that).

You have to understand that the people who get feedback off these forums report it to marketing and then it goes to EA, if you don't speak with your wallet, they won't listen. MP won't destroy ME3, I realize that, but it is putting BW on the path of Activision. We don't need over-priced DLC maps and packages instead of single-player content. Bioware should make compelling stories and well made games, there is no need for MP in a trilogy that is all about building a web of choices, leave that for a spin-off.

[Merchant2006]

IF YOU PLAY MASS EFFECT 3 SOMETHING AWESOME HAPPENS, MULTIPLAYER AWESOME.