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[Beerfish]

Seboist wrote...

azerSheppard wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Gods I hope not. We don't need any magical powers in ME3. The same goes for Reave. I've used it often in my Insanity playthroughs, but the sheer ridiculousless of the concept makes me wince every single time. Fantasy magic begone from the Mass Effect universe!

Ofcourse lord high research, since biotics, eezo and ftl travel are soooooo scientific....


*Sarcastic cough followed by choking to death.*

Biotics, Eezo and FTL make sense within the game's universe, instantly mind controlling someone from across the room doesn't. Not even the Reapers' indoctrination can do it.

"Dominate" is hands down the most 'out there" ability.

Oh really?  Why?  Because you think other biotic abilities make sense? 

[Sashimi_taco]

I would really like to know why other biotic abilities make sense but not dominate.

[Sashimi_taco]

What if reave and dominate are not biotic powers, but rather asari specific powers that shepard somehow learned? I feel that if an asari can meld with another nervous system, they should be more than able to control that nervous system if they are given the amount of power necessary.

Modifié par Sashimi_taco, 05 août 2011 - 10:28 .

[Sashimi_taco]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

What if reave and dominate are not biotic powers, but rather asari specific powers that shepard somehow learned? I feel that if an asari can meld with another nervous system, they should be more than able to control that nervous system if they are given the amount of power necessary.

They can only meld with a mind if they are in direct contact. And even then only if the "victim" is not resisting (given the target is sufficiently strong willed as in Shepards case). So far for Domination. If it actually required Morinth to get into hands distance to do the deed I could take it. But instant cast over accross the location is not working on how mindmeddling is established in the lore.

And Reave is completely nonsense. Mass Effect is science fiction, not high fantasy, there is no such thing as lifeforce Samara could drain like a Vampire.



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I might add I am far from being a lore-purist or die-hard-need facts. But I can't stand if writers deliberately violate what themselves have created.

I disagree that mass effect is solely scifi. I think Mass Effect is very much a fantasy game, kind of like the star wars universe. Both are scifi with heavy elements of fantasy. Biotics are pretty much magic/ the force. 

But the good thing about mass effect is that you can ignore most the of the stuff you do not like. For your universe you can simply never use reave or dominate and it can just not exist to you since no enimies use the power.  I on the other hand greatly enjoy the magic like powers so i will make them a part of my universe. 

P.S. Morinth drains life force like a vampire by becoming stronger with each mating. She is actually supposed to be like a vampire, so her mother doing the same kind of thing makes sense to me. 

[Sashimi_taco]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

That getting stronger everytime she "rapes" someone might very well be made up by Samara to get you help her. For obvious reasons.

She is based of the mythos of a vampire, samara did not make that up. 

http://masseffect.wi.../Morinth#Trivia






"The game draws
numerous parallels between Ardat-Yakshi and vampires. Both are connected with
or described as "demons", both drain their victims of life, and both
are known for seducing their victims. In conversations with Samara, you learn
that Morinth once set herself up as a goddess and was worshipped by an entire
village; many vampire stories refer to entire villages being held in thrall.
Most telling of all, the name of the vessel that transported Morinth off of
Illium is the "Demeter," the name of the ship that carried Dracula to
England."

Modifié par Sashimi_taco, 05 août 2011 - 10:59 .

[marshalleck]

I don't feel like dominate (or AI hacking) were really all that useful. Now if they allowed to you take command of a 'pet' for the entire duration of a level, that would be pretty fun.

[Praetor Knight]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
Nor do I think it's possible to travel at a speed that's faster than light and not ram into anything hazardous in space. Or not being ripped apart by particles.
.

Well the theory is that you're going so fast whatever you hit will be vaporized...unless is like a planet or something.

And there is a place in Florida where one 80 pound dude made a stone castle with nothing more then hand tools,eezo may not exist as we know it but even in the building of the great pyramids there is stories of a what paste or paper-like substance that was put on the blocks and it made them moveable by hand,they were manipulated with a hand held box...


Yeah I know Ancient Aliens blah blah blah.

Actually we don't need ancient aliens for discoveries. Just utilizing what can be found naturally in a different way.

Nikola Tesla had a lot of interesting theories and projects in his time. And there have been a bunch of other pioneers ahead of their times, that were thought crazy by their peers.



Lately, I've been looking up Higgsless models, and some of those ideas are interesting. The key though is validating any findings. And with particle physics, those tests need to be done on the large colliders to get useful evidence.

[JukeFrog]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
Nor do I think it's possible to travel at a speed that's faster than light and not ram into anything hazardous in space. Or not being ripped apart by particles.
.

Well the theory is that you're going so fast whatever you hit will be vaporized...unless is like a planet or something.

And there is a place in Florida where one 80 pound dude made a stone castle with nothing more then hand tools,eezo may not exist as we know it but even in the building of the great pyramids there is stories of a what paste or paper-like substance that was put on the blocks and it made them moveable by hand,they were manipulated with a hand held box...


Yeah I know Ancient Aliens blah blah blah.

Offtopic: I remember my aunt took me to that place in Florida when I was younger. I still find it hard to believe that tiny guy built that place by himself.

[Someone With Mass]

marshalleck wrote...

I don't feel like dominate (or AI hacking) were really all that useful. Now if they allowed to you take command of a 'pet' for the entire duration of a level, that would be pretty fun.

I think it's best used on Pyros or other heavy soldiers that are in the back.

[Sashimi_taco]

Someone With Mass wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

I don't feel like dominate (or AI hacking) were really all that useful. Now if they allowed to you take command of a 'pet' for the entire duration of a level, that would be pretty fun.

I think it's best used on Pyros or other heavy soldiers that are in the back.

Oh yes pyro dominate is amazing. I just sit back and watch the distruction! 

[marshalleck]

Someone With Mass wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

I don't feel like dominate (or AI hacking) were really all that useful. Now if they allowed to you take command of a 'pet' for the entire duration of a level, that would be pretty fun.

I think it's best used on Pyros or other heavy soldiers that are in the back.

I've been toying with the idea of making an engineer playthrough. Maybe I'll take dominate as the extra power. Between dominate, AI hacking and Bubble Bobble, he should be a pretty competent controller.

[Ace of Dawn]

As previously stated, dominate and reave are two abilities that make sense in regards to Asari. In fact, they are extreme versions of the meld (linking with someone's nervous system, being able to understand their mind, etc). So when Samara or Morinth use their respective abilities, they are simply doing something all Asari are capable of, but in a more specialized way. (Really, whenever Morinth kills, she's using dominate to get control and reave to kill.)

That said, they don't really make sense when applied to Shepard, but at the end of the day, that's kind of moot. They're bonus powers, not really Shepard's powers. The fact that you can give a soldier class any sort of biotic ability and the sort is a gameplay gimmick over actual canon.

And before you go and say he could be a latent biotic, or got implants, or any of that, just no. Because if you received any sort of training to use biotic powers, you wouldn't continue down solider training.

Everything makes sense, if a little exaggerated (Reave's health effects over long distances. Makes sense up close, shaky at distances). But at the end of the day, you have to realize that it's a game. While Bioware does a great job at keeping to the lore, overall, they do have to make tweeks for the sake of gameplay.

ME1 did it. ME2 did it. ME3 will do it.

[Someone With Mass]

marshalleck wrote...

I've been toying with the idea of making an engineer playthrough. Maybe I'll take dominate as the extra power. Between dominate, AI hacking and Bubble Bobble, he should be a pretty competent controller.

I have done the same thing myself. It's a very effective combination as you can take control of almost everything on the field, save for husks, and just let them do the dirty work for you.

[Praetor Knight]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

What if reave and dominate are not biotic powers, but rather asari specific powers that shepard somehow learned? I feel that if an asari can meld with another nervous system, they should be more than able to control that nervous system if they are given the amount of power necessary.

As others have said, these particular powers are great for gameplay, but Dominate and Reave (I'd probably also add Warp ammo, Drone and the SB shield) feel like too much of a stretch to me.

[Someone With Mass]

[Praetor Knight]

^ Hey, there's another one!

I can't remember what those are called, Geth Barrier maybe?

[eternalnightmare13]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Gods I hope not. We don't need any magical powers in ME3. The same goes for Reave. I've used it often in my Insanity playthroughs, but the sheer ridiculousless of the concept makes me wince every single time. Fantasy magic begone from the Mass Effect universe!

LMFAO.  Yeah, and the whole ''embrace eternity'' that's some real scientific ****.

[robarcool]

Domination is a good power. It adds some humor as well, watching the enemies shooting each other lol!

[F00lishG]

Dominate needs a nerf. It's stated that mind control affects cognitive functions in Mass Effect. Dominate should just turn enemies into slow moving meat shields who can't fire a weapon. That I'm down with in ME3

[Sashimi_taco]

F00lishG wrote...

Dominate needs a nerf. It's stated that mind control affects cognitive functions in Mass Effect. Dominate should just turn enemies into slow moving meat shields who can't fire a weapon. That I'm down with in ME3

If you don't like it, don't use it. I don't understand why people want to nerf powers. it isn't like this is an MMO where we can use these powers on eachother.  I want to kill people with awesome powers!

[Sisterofshane]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

I hope not. I want Mass Effect to have as few space magic or technical awesome-buttons as possible.

Then it wouldn't be Mass Effect. Then it'd be Generic Shooter Effect.

Pretty much this. If Mass Effect didn't have any of these powers, then it wouldn't be a good scifi fantasy game. And yes, it is a fantasy game. 

A simple no.

Mass Effect has its established lore on how powers works (taking ME1 as reference). Biotics are gouverned by simple rules of established physics. They have great impact, but are very finite:

They can increase mass
They can decrease mass
They can perform both actions at a time.

They can NOT leech enemy lifeforce.
They can NOT control other people's minds
They can NOT make the user phase through solid material. The only point why the latter is acceptable is because it that mechanic just substitutes for the engine to properly depict lauching oneself in a giant, fast jump or around corners. It is a far stretch, but it is only substituting for somthing it could do if the engine and game-mechanics allowed it.

Same with tech powers:
You can NOT lauch a flying bolt of super-heated plasma (in atmosphere no less) that homes in on enemies.
You can NOT do the aforementioned with super-cooled Bose-Einstein particles.

You can however impede enemy suitware.
You can dispense poison into the air (grenade) that paralyzes victims.
You can hack enemy weapons to assume they are overheating.

All that what works are creative ways that do work within the established lore. Those that shouldn't are directly violating the established lore in which they are supposed to work. The latter is what I do not want.

But the basis of those powers do not exactly fall outside of the lore of the game.
Why wouldn't it be possible for a species that *can* manipulate and infiltrate another's brain to be able to then, overload said brain and use it's electrical impulses to mitigate damage to shields(made up of energy, if I am understanding them correct).
It just doesn't make any sense that Shepard can use it.  Shepard shouldn't be able to invade anyone's nervous system at all.
But it doesn't mean that Asari team members should be denied access to it!

EDIT: Grammar Fail

Modifié par Sisterofshane, 06 août 2011 - 02:25 .

[F00lishG]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

F00lishG wrote...

Dominate needs a nerf. It's stated that mind control affects cognitive functions in Mass Effect. Dominate should just turn enemies into slow moving meat shields who can't fire a weapon. That I'm down with in ME3

If you don't like it, don't use it. I don't understand why people want to nerf powers. it isn't like this is an MMO where we can use these powers on eachother.  I want to kill people with awesome powers!

Don't annoy me Tacoman. I'll say whatever I want that has logic.

Modifié par F00lishG, 06 août 2011 - 02:26 .