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[jmadsen]

 
So i was just wondering how much money in the dragon age universe is worth, let me clarify if this sound a bit confusing.

If you own 1 Sovereign are you then considered poor in DA and if that is the case the is owing 10 sovereigns average.

I will also try to figure it out on my own, but feel free to correct if you see a flaw in my reasoning.

Lets see the data we get in game about how much money nobles have.

Most nobles in dragon age (both drawen and humans) offer around 100 sovereigns if you do something relativly importhing for them like looking away when your cousin was being raped (elven origin) or when you agree to speak in favor of lord dace (drawen origin), if we asume that around 100 sovereigns isn't that much for average nobles to throw around with without going bankrupt but still enough to seem like alot to common people owing around 100 sovereigns will make you a little rich. Slavers seem to be really rich as a slave on the blackmarket goes for 100 per head.

So the way i see it.

50 silvers - 1 sovereign = poor. (my guess)

5-10 sovereigns = average. (my guees)
50-100 sovereigns = relativly rich. (my guess, based on the little rant above)

250-500 sovereigns = ser. (my guess)

750-1000 sovereigns = bann. (my guess)

1200-1500 sovereigns = arl. (my guess)

2500-5000 sovereigns = teyrn. (my guess)

10000-15000 sovereigns = king/emporer. (based on the letter hawke get where its says that the king has 11 thousands sovereigns in a bank acount and yes i know the letter is a scam but the amount of money may be correct.)


obviously it may vary form country to country and individual to individual.


(giving a kid a silver seems to be a big Allowance, by the way.)

[alex90c]

Well it takes about 80 sovereigns to repair the walls to Vigil's Keep so I'd say 50-100 sovereigns would be quite rich (plus Vaughan, a noble in Denerim has a chest of 50 sovereigns) if it's enough to produce state of the art fortifications (w/granite, dwarven construction techniques and to hire all of the workers). I think it might have been the insane price of weapons and armour in the game which might have thrown off your estimates (e.g. Evon the Great's mail is something like 110 sovereigns) but then again these are top of the line, occasionally one-of-a-kind equipment so they'd obviously cost a lot.

[contextual_entity]

Oh god, Fantasy economics. Right, here we go.

First. A sovereign in Kirkwall will likely have a different print and weight, likely dependent on the abundance of gold
in the region available to be pressed into coinage. The same is also true of other denominations. So the value of a currency will differ per region on weight. For example if silver were comparatively more abundant in the Free Marches than in Fereldan then 80 Kirkwall Silvers might equal 1 Fereldan Sovereign. That said, Fereldan Sovereigns might be worth 1.25 Kirkwall ones.

Second. You seem to be dealing primarily in liquid assets, traditionally the nobility, lesser nobility in particular, have all their assets tied up in their estates and armed forces. It's very likely that a merchant would have a great deal more gold than a noble in their coin pouch, but far less in their estate. Also; a Kings estate would likely easily exceed 15000 Sovereigns. Hell, the Viscounts keep in Kirkwall likely has more than 15000 sovereigns worth of gold on it's walls. That not including the marble, the architecture, the other precious metals, etc. That said, the King is likely the exception with more liquid assets than even the bankers and most successful merchants in the royal treasury.

Third. While that framework may give a very rough estimate of Fereldan hierarchy (you missed the merchants and
academics, not to mention the Chantry and it's subsidiaries) noble status isn't dependant on rank. Sers in Fereldan are Knights, a wandering Knight Errant could have not a sovereign to their name and still be a Ser. In Kirkwall, "ser" seems to be a general honorific, more like "my good man" than any particular rank. Likewise a Bann with only 100 Sovereigns to his name is still likely more wealthy than a Merchant with nearly 10000, simply due to the value of his estate, land and military.

Economics is deep, bro.

Edits: Several Grammar and spelling fails fixed.

Editado por Amitar, 06 agosto 2011 - 11:17 .

[jmadsen]

Amitar wrote...

Economics is deep, bro.

apparently Truer words have never been spoken.

[Kelnuin]

Actually Gold is valued based on scarcity in the area it is. The cost of ordinary weapons and armor are generally inflated to keep them out of the hands of rabble in Darktown. Which is one reason only the Coterie and Carta can afford them is they are criminals. Basing an economic model on weapons and armor is not the way to go. Historically a Gold Equivalent is a yearly wage for subsistence. Now that gold doesn't ever appear for it is seen in copper and in barter, maybe even a silver (gasp).

[Alex Kershaw]

It's not consistent and seems to be more scaled towards the player's level than anything. I noticed that money is thrown around a lot more in Awakening.

[Time4Tiddy]

Just consider that in the City Elf origin in DA:O, a gift of 10 silvers will allow an elven family to rent a home and have enough left over to start a business. Many of the beggars are happy to get 1-10 bits (coppers) so obviously that is enough to just buy food. For most of the origins, you won't even have 1 sovereign to your name when you arrive at Ostagar.

Personally, I'm just more interested in the frequent looting of coin off of beasts and insects. It's a very thorough Warden/Hawke who takes the time to look inside the stomach/intestine of every creature he kills in case there are a few coins in there.

[jmadsen]

Time4Tiddy wrote...

Just consider that in the City Elf origin in DA:O, a gift of 10 silvers will allow an elven family to rent a home and have enough left over to start a business. Many of the beggars are happy to get 1-10 bits (coppers) so obviously that is enough to just buy food. For most of the origins, you won't even have 1 sovereign to your name when you arrive at Ostagar.

Personally, I'm just more interested in the frequent looting of coin off of beasts and insects. It's a very thorough Warden/Hawke who takes the time to look inside the stomach/intestine of every creature he kills in case there are a few coins in there.

well in da elfs are really poor so even the smallest donation would be considered to be of great. 

[WhiteKnyght]

Well I think the value of a sovereign varies in different areas of the world. In Ferelden its hard to accumulate a lot of sovereigns but in Kirkwall just about every odd job pays 50 silver to 1 Sov.

I remember Maric saying in The Stolen Throne that the entire pay for all the Chevaliers in Ferelden for one year was 5000 sovereigns.

Originally I thought it this way. One bit = One Cent, One Silver = One Dollar, One Sovereign = 100 dollars.

[Destromaugh]

I just donated 5 sovereigns to the Chantry in Lothering. It subtracted 5 gold from my inventory. Therefore, 1 sovereign= 1 gold.

[sjsharp2011]

Basically I think you've got your maths slightly wrong OP as I think it's 100 coppers/bronze make up 1 silver and  100 silvers make up a sovereign. As for the exact value of things I'm afraid that I can't help you there much as I tend to look at how much things cost and whether I can afford it.

[RoseLawliet]

I don't think the OP ever gave conversion rates of copper to silver to gold. I read it as "an amount from 50 silvers up to one sovereign".

[caradoc2000]

I just donated 5 sovereigns to the Chantry in Lothering. It subtracted 5 gold from my inventory. Therefore, 1 sovereign= 1 gold.

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