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[Seagloom]

I saw several episodes of FiM last week. I forget the exact number, as my viewings were sporadic as the week dragged on. Somewhere between eight and ten is my best guess. FiM features a minimalist, but slick and color art style with cute characters, good animation, and decent writing despite every episode breaking down into what is basically a lesson on good social behavior.

At the end, I felt no strong desire to follow FiM on a regular basis. It is a take it or leave it program I could easily live without. To be fair, I am not much for watching TV. A show has to dazzle me early on to drag me from the computer or my latest read, and that is a rare occurrence. I do credit FiM with presenting its world and characters in a way that is clever and thoughtful, rather than mindless and insulting. It is one of the very few cartoons in recent years to portray a diverse cast of female characters in a way that allows each of them to shine, without lionizing any of their personalities or tastes as intrinsically superior to their peers. After seeing so many children's programs that promote an idealized form of feminine behavior, that is very refreshing. The message that any girl can still succeed without changing who they are at their core is a great one, and long overdue. That is commendable.

Still, despite FiM's merits, I have no intentions to clear my schedule to follow it. For all its many positives, I still felt I was watching a children's show. FiM's episodic nature does not appeal to me. While there is character growth and continuity between episodes, the lack of an overarching plot to drive it all forward hurts my interest. My primary issue with many cartoons is they begin with a premise that is rarely taken to any conclusion; thus resulting in an inevitable cancellation before said premise is satisfactorily resolved.

Alternatively, a cartoon's premise may be used as a vehicle to tell a series of disconnected stories. In the case of FiM, Princess Celestia sends Twilight Sparkle away to learn lessons she can only gain through life experience. While that is adequate for the needs of this program, it comes across as an endless string of day-in-the-life adventures that make it difficult for me to get excited about what might come next. There is character development, but no sense of plot progression and no anticipation of a big payoff at the end. Maybe Twilight Sparkle will get a sort of graduation episode eventually? I doubt it.

That is key in my opinion. While there is something to be said for the journey being the reward, I need to feel like a show is going somewhere. This desire for plot closure was what eventually got me interested in anime in the early 90s. I was tired of feeling teased and let down. This leaves FiM in the same category I put Law & Order or CSI in. Something I could watch and enjoy if I am free while it airs, but nothing I feel compelled to watch on a consistent basis.

[Volus Warlord]

Seagloom wrote...

I saw several episodes of FiM last week. I forget the exact number, as my viewings were sporadic as the week dragged on. Somewhere between eight and ten is my best guess. FiM features a minimalist, but slick and color art style with cute characters, good animation, and decent writing despite every episode breaking down into what is basically a lesson on good social behavior.

At the end, I felt no strong desire to follow FiM on a regular basis. It is a take it or leave it program I could easily live without. To be fair, I am not much for watching TV. A show has to dazzle me early on to drag me from the computer or my latest read, and that is a rare occurrence. I do credit FiM with presenting its world and characters in a way that is clever and thoughtful, rather than mindless and insulting. It is one of the very few cartoons in recent years to portray a diverse cast of female characters in a way that allows each of them to shine, without lionizing any of their personalities or tastes as intrinsically superior to their peers. After seeing so many children's programs that promote an idealized form of feminine behavior, that is very refreshing. The message that any girl can still succeed without changing who they are at their core is a great one, and long overdue. That is commendable.

Still, despite FiM's merits, I have no intentions to clear my schedule to follow it. For all its many positives, I still felt I was watching a children's show. FiM's episodic nature does not appeal to me. While there is character growth and continuity between episodes, the lack of an overarching plot to drive it all forward hurts my interest. My primary issue with many cartoons is they begin with a premise that is rarely taken to any conclusion; thus resulting in an inevitable cancellation before said premise is satisfactorily resolved.

Alternatively, a cartoon's premise may be used as a vehicle to tell a series of disconnected stories. In the case of FiM, Princess Celestia sends Twilight Sparkle away to learn lessons she can only gain through life experience. While that is adequate for the needs of this program, it comes across as an endless string of day-in-the-life adventures that make it difficult for me to get excited about what might come next. There is character development, but no sense of plot progression and no anticipation of a big payoff at the end. Maybe Twilight Sparkle will get a sort of graduation episode eventually? I doubt it.

That is key in my opinion. While there is something to be said for the journey being the reward, I need to feel like a show is going somewhere. This desire for plot closure was what eventually got me interested in anime in the early 90s. I was tired of feeling teased and let down. This leaves FiM in the same category I put Law & Order or CSI in. Something I could watch and enjoy if I am free while it airs, but nothing I feel compelled to watch on a consistent basis.

You know, if you just say you don't like the show, I'm not going to bite you.

[Homebound]

Seagloom wrote...

I saw several episodes of FiM last week. I forget the exact number, as my viewings were sporadic as the week dragged on. Somewhere between eight and ten is my best guess. FiM features a minimalist, but slick and color art style with cute characters, good animation, and decent writing despite every episode breaking down into what is basically a lesson on good social behavior.

At the end, I felt no strong desire to follow FiM on a regular basis. It is a take it or leave it program I could easily live without. To be fair, I am not much for watching TV. A show has to dazzle me early on to drag me from the computer or my latest read, and that is a rare occurrence. I do credit FiM with presenting its world and characters in a way that is clever and thoughtful, rather than mindless and insulting. It is one of the very few cartoons in recent years to portray a diverse cast of female characters in a way that allows each of them to shine, without lionizing any of their personalities or tastes as intrinsically superior to their peers. After seeing so many children's programs that promote an idealized form of feminine behavior, that is very refreshing. The message that any girl can still succeed without changing who they are at their core is a great one, and long overdue. That is commendable.

Still, despite FiM's merits, I have no intentions to clear my schedule to follow it. For all its many positives, I still felt I was watching a children's show. FiM's episodic nature does not appeal to me. While there is character growth and continuity between episodes, the lack of an overarching plot to drive it all forward hurts my interest. My primary issue with many cartoons is they begin with a premise that is rarely taken to any conclusion; thus resulting in an inevitable cancellation before said premise is satisfactorily resolved.

Alternatively, a cartoon's premise may be used as a vehicle to tell a series of disconnected stories. In the case of FiM, Princess Celestia sends Twilight Sparkle away to learn lessons she can only gain through life experience. While that is adequate for the needs of this program, it comes across as an endless string of day-in-the-life adventures that make it difficult for me to get excited about what might come next. There is character development, but no sense of plot progression and no anticipation of a big payoff at the end. Maybe Twilight Sparkle will get a sort of graduation episode eventually? I doubt it.

That is key in my opinion. While there is something to be said for the journey being the reward, I need to feel like a show is going somewhere. This desire for plot closure was what eventually got me interested in anime in the early 90s. I was tired of feeling teased and let down. This leaves FiM in the same category I put Law & Order or CSI in. Something I could watch and enjoy if I am free while it airs, but nothing I feel compelled to watch on a consistent basis.

Understandable. But I think we can both agree, it IS refreshing.

[Seagloom]

Volus Warlord wrote...

You know, if you just say you don't like the show, I'm not going to bite you.

I would, if that was the case. I am perfectly capable of pointing out when I think a popular show is tripe. You would be surprised by the vast number of popular shows I think are wastes of airtime.

Hellbound555 wrote...

Understandable. But I think we can both agree, it IS refreshing. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

Indeed. What made that doubly noticeable was I often caught the new incarnation of Strawberry Shortcake before it. It served as a useful contrast. Jem did too, despite my nostalgic bias toward it.

Modifié par Seagloom, 19 août 2011 - 11:10 .

[Volus Warlord]

Seagloom wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

You know, if you just say you don't like the show, I'm not going to bite you.

I would, if that was the case. I am perfectly capable of pointing out when I think a popular show is tripe. You would be surprised by the vast number of popular shows I think are wastes of airtime.

If it makes the $$$ than it is not a waste of airtime.

[Seagloom]

Volus Warlord wrote...
If it makes the $$$ than it is not a waste of airtime.

Bah! Semantics. I refuse to believe most popular TV shows have any right to be on the air.

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Seagloom wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

You know, if you just say you don't like the show, I'm not going to bite you.

I would, if that was the case. I am perfectly capable of pointing out when I think a popular show is tripe. You would be surprised by the vast number of popular shows I think are wastes of airtime.

If it makes the $$$ than it is not a waste of airtime.

See, this is the sort of mentality that the TV producers have and you get all sorts of rubbish on TV like the endless stream of American crime shows and reality TV:sick:

[Homebound]

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Seagloom wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

You know, if you just say you don't like the show, I'm not going to bite you.

I would, if that was the case. I am perfectly capable of pointing out when I think a popular show is tripe. You would be surprised by the vast number of popular shows I think are wastes of airtime.

If it makes the $$$ than it is not a waste of airtime.

See, this is the sort of mentality that the TV producers have and you get all sorts of rubbish on TV like the endless stream of American crime shows and reality TV:sick:

i think thats what made mlp so iconic. hasbro wasnt trying to make money from the show, they were trying to sell toys!

Modifié par Hellbound555, 20 août 2011 - 01:06 .

[saMoorai]

http://img.ponibooru...b3c41f6f15dd034

Modifié par saMOOrai182, 20 août 2011 - 01:14 .

[Ghost Lightning]

Seagloom wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...
If it makes the $$$ than it is not a waste of airtime.

Bah! Semantics. I refuse to believe most popular TV shows have any right to be on the air.

This is ridiculous (no offense). If a show is popular it has all the right in the world to be on the air. The artists and technical producers of a tv show create them for audiences to enjoy and love. If you have 15 million viewers a week, that means that the show has a fanbase. That means, PEOPLE LIKE THE SHOW. You don't have to like it, but to say that it doesn't deserve airtime disregards all the work that the artists and producers put into it to make something that other people like. That's just IMHO though.

[MrDizazta]

Seagloom wrote...

I saw several episodes of FiM last week. I forget the exact number, as my viewings were sporadic as the week dragged on. Somewhere between eight and ten is my best guess. FiM features a minimalist, but slick and color art style with cute characters, good animation, and decent writing despite every episode breaking down into what is basically a lesson on good social behavior.

At the end, I felt no strong desire to follow FiM on a regular basis. It is a take it or leave it program I could easily live without. To be fair, I am not much for watching TV. A show has to dazzle me early on to drag me from the computer or my latest read, and that is a rare occurrence. I do credit FiM with presenting its world and characters in a way that is clever and thoughtful, rather than mindless and insulting. It is one of the very few cartoons in recent years to portray a diverse cast of female characters in a way that allows each of them to shine, without lionizing any of their personalities or tastes as intrinsically superior to their peers. After seeing so many children's programs that promote an idealized form of feminine behavior, that is very refreshing. The message that any girl can still succeed without changing who they are at their core is a great one, and long overdue. That is commendable.

Still, despite FiM's merits, I have no intentions to clear my schedule to follow it. For all its many positives, I still felt I was watching a children's show. FiM's episodic nature does not appeal to me. While there is character growth and continuity between episodes, the lack of an overarching plot to drive it all forward hurts my interest. My primary issue with many cartoons is they begin with a premise that is rarely taken to any conclusion; thus resulting in an inevitable cancellation before said premise is satisfactorily resolved.

Alternatively, a cartoon's premise may be used as a vehicle to tell a series of disconnected stories. In the case of FiM, Princess Celestia sends Twilight Sparkle away to learn lessons she can only gain through life experience. While that is adequate for the needs of this program, it comes across as an endless string of day-in-the-life adventures that make it difficult for me to get excited about what might come next. There is character development, but no sense of plot progression and no anticipation of a big payoff at the end. Maybe Twilight Sparkle will get a sort of graduation episode eventually? I doubt it.

That is key in my opinion. While there is something to be said for the journey being the reward, I need to feel like a show is going somewhere. This desire for plot closure was what eventually got me interested in anime in the early 90s. I was tired of feeling teased and let down. This leaves FiM in the same category I put Law & Order or CSI in. Something I could watch and enjoy if I am free while it airs, but nothing I feel compelled to watch on a consistent basis.

Not to bash anything you just said or anything, but there is a definite continuity in the show. Episode 3, 14, and 26 are all a part of the same arc. Not to mention, there are mentions to previous episodes. So I wouldn't go as far as to say that the stories are disjointed

[Homebound]

Ghost Lightning wrote...

Seagloom wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...
If it makes the $$$ than it is not a waste of airtime.

Bah! Semantics. I refuse to believe most popular TV shows have any right to be on the air.

This is ridiculous (no offense). If a show is popular it has all the right in the world to be on the air. The artists and technical producers of a tv show create them for audiences to enjoy and love. If you have 15 million viewers a week, that means that the show has a fanbase. That means, PEOPLE LIKE THE SHOW. You don't have to like it, but to say that it doesn't deserve airtime disregards all the work that the artists and producers put into it to make something that other people like. That's just IMHO though.

with that being said...jersey shore.

[Seagloom]

Ghost Lightning wrote...

This is ridiculous (no offense). If a show is popular it has all the right in the world to be on the air. The artists and technical producers of a tv show create them for audiences to enjoy and love. If you have 15 million viewers a week, that means that the show has a fanbase. That means, PEOPLE LIKE THE SHOW. You don't have to like it, but to say that it doesn't deserve airtime disregards all the work that the artists and producers put into it to make something that other people like. That's just IMHO though.

Protip: qualifying a statement with the words "no offense" does not actually make the statement come across as less offensive. Much as making an insulting comment and tacking on "just kidding" at the end does not make it any less insulting.

That bit out of the way, popularity is meaningless. The presence or absence of quality has nothing to do with worth. That applies to virtually every entertainment medium. While I do not wish for anyone to lose their livelihood, I do believe some shows promote irressponsible, and in some cases even dangerous messages. My quoted statement was hyperbolic, but in all seriousness, there are some monumentally idiotic and offensive programs out there. I will not be swayed from my original statement solely because people worked hard on shows I consider awful.

I can ignore most of the other chaff, though. Not that I would shed any tears if they disappeared.

Modifié par Seagloom, 20 août 2011 - 01:36 .

[Seagloom]

MrDizaztar wrote...

Not to bash anything you just said or anything, but there is a definite continuity in the show. Episode 3, 14, and 26 are all a part of the same arc. Not to mention, there are mentions to previous episodes. So I wouldn't go as far as to say that the stories are disjointed

I recognize that. There is a difference between character arcs and overaching arcs.

Seagloom wrote...

FiM's episodic nature does not appeal to me. While there is character growth and continuity between episodes, the lack of an overarching plot to drive it all forward hurts my interest.

Modifié par Seagloom, 20 août 2011 - 01:34 .

[Homebound]

Seagloom wrote...

Ghost Lightning wrote...

This is ridiculous (no offense). If a show is popular it has all the right in the world to be on the air. The artists and technical producers of a tv show create them for audiences to enjoy and love. If you have 15 million viewers a week, that means that the show has a fanbase. That means, PEOPLE LIKE THE SHOW. You don't have to like it, but to say that it doesn't deserve airtime disregards all the work that the artists and producers put into it to make something that other people like. That's just IMHO though.

Protip: qualifying a statement with the words "no offense" does not actually make the statement come across as less offensive. Much as making an insulting comment and tacking on "just kidding" at the end does not make it any less insulting.

That bit out of the way, popularity is meaningless. The presence or absence of quality has nothing to do with worth. That applies to virtually every entertainment medium. While I do not wish for anyone to lose their livelihood, I do believe some shows promote irressponsible, and in some cases even dangerous messages. My quoted statement was hyperbolic, but in all seriousness, there are some monumentally idiotic and offensive shows programs out there. I will not sway my mind on that solely because people worked hard on them.

I can ignore most of the other chaff, though. Not that  I would shed any tears if they disappeared.

and people wonder why i watch a show about ponies...

[Ghost Lightning]

Seagloom wrote...

Protip: qualifying a statement with the words "no offense" does not actually make the statement come across as less offensive. Much as making an insulting comment and tacking on "just kidding" at the end does not make it any less insulting.

That bit out of the way, popularity is meaningless. The presence or absence of quality has nothing to do with worth. That applies to virtually every entertainment medium. While I do not wish for anyone to lose their livelihood, I do believe some shows promote irressponsible, and in some cases even dangerous messages. My quoted statement was hyperbolic, but in all seriousness, there are some monumentally idiotic and offensive shows programs out there. I will not sway my mind on that solely because people worked hard on them.

I can ignore most of the other chaff, though. Not that  I would shed any tears if they disappeared.

I can't really fully agree with this. The Ford F150 is the most selling pickup truck in America, and it is because it's the highest quality. Now, you can say that "There's nothing good, so the 'popular' thing is just the lesser of two evils", but then again that to me seems, as I said before, ridiculous. I imagine the popular argument is that just because something appeals to a large amount of people that it isn't intrinsicly of a high quality, but a pile of turd isn't going to attract much popularity. Now there are shows out there like Jersey Shore that are popular to it's sect, but in this case, with MLP, not only is it popular to a wide variety of people, but it has been met with positive reception from nearly everyone, unlike the scum that you correctly pointed out can be found on tv. Just cause something is popular doesn't make it bad, and being popular doesn't make it good. I just don't think we can decide what deserves to be made when there is a group that it appeals to.

[Homebound]

Ghost Lightning wrote...

Seagloom wrote...

Protip: qualifying a statement with the words "no offense" does not actually make the statement come across as less offensive. Much as making an insulting comment and tacking on "just kidding" at the end does not make it any less insulting.

That bit out of the way, popularity is meaningless. The presence or absence of quality has nothing to do with worth. That applies to virtually every entertainment medium. While I do not wish for anyone to lose their livelihood, I do believe some shows promote irressponsible, and in some cases even dangerous messages. My quoted statement was hyperbolic, but in all seriousness, there are some monumentally idiotic and offensive shows programs out there. I will not sway my mind on that solely because people worked hard on them.

I can ignore most of the other chaff, though. Not that  I would shed any tears if they disappeared.

I can't really fully agree with this. The Ford F150 is the most selling pickup truck in America, and it is because it's the highest quality. Now, you can say that "There's nothing good, so the 'popular' thing is just the lesser of two evils", but then again that to me seems, as I said before, ridiculous. I imagine the popular argument is that just because something appeals to a large amount of people that it isn't intrinsicly of a high quality, but a pile of turd isn't going to attract much popularity. Now there are shows out there like Jersey Shore that are popular to it's sect, but in this case, with MLP, not only is it popular to a wide variety of people, but it has been met with positive reception from nearly everyone, unlike the scum that you correctly pointed out can be found on tv. Just cause something is popular doesn't make it bad, and being popular doesn't make it good. I just don't think we can decide what deserves to be made when there is a group that it appeals to.

I hope season2 comes out real soon.

[Ghost Lightning]

Hellbound555 wrote...
I hope season2 comes out real soon.

I am counting the seconds

[Seagloom]

Ghost Lightning wrote...

I can't really fully agree with this. The Ford F150 is the most selling pickup truck in America, and it is because it's the highest quality. Now, you can say that "There's nothing good, so the 'popular' thing is just the lesser of two evils", but then again that to me seems, as I said before, ridiculous. I imagine the popular argument is that just because something appeals to a large amount of people that it isn't intrinsicly of a high quality, but a pile of turd isn't going to attract much popularity. Now there are shows out there like Jersey Shore that are popular to it's sect, but in this case, with MLP, not only is it popular to a wide variety of people, but it has been met with positive reception from nearly everyone, unlike the scum that you correctly pointed out can be found on tv. Just cause something is popular doesn't make it bad, and being popular doesn't make it good. I just don't think we can decide what deserves to be made when there is a group that it appeals to.

As I wrote before, I see popularity as meaningless. We agree to an extent in that I do not see popularity as innately determining the quality of a program. Yes, some popular television shows are great and deserving of praise. I simply feel the vast majority are not. I wrote as much in the sentence you originally quoted by using the worst most. Most, not all.

On the latter, you have a point. If this were an ideal society, I would agree. Unfortunately this is not an ideal society. I see many excellent shows cancelled before they have a chance to shine, because they do not generate enough advertising revenue or there are issues between a network and the staff. Meanwhile, a program such as the cited Jersey Shore example flourishes. I am not a perfect person. Having seen good program after program canned while many clearly bad ones continue to thrive has bred a measure of resentment in me. The majority influences what shows remain and executives and bean counters make the final call on whether they stay. That is as often unfair as fair. Does a show that appeals to a smaller audience deserve to be shut down any more than another should be made? Maybe. Lacking perfection and omniscience, I cannot say.

I can pretend to be a saint, but the truth is I would gleefully impose my will on every network if I could.

There are executives that already do this, at times for seemingly arbritrary reasons, solely by dint of their position. I doubt many of them care about social responsibility, or quality more than a healthy bottom line. So... screw 'em.

Modifié par Seagloom, 20 août 2011 - 02:04 .

[Legion 2.5]

You got to be kidding me?

[Ghost Lightning]

Seagloom wrote...
I doubt many of them care about social responsibility, or quality more than a healthy bottom line. So... screw 'em.

lol

[Volus Warlord]

Hellbound555 wrote...


and people wonder why i watch a show about ponies...

Lol..

[Ghost Lightning]

 

[Volus Warlord]

I have to admit some of the pics from the show are pretty darn funny.
http://static.zeroch...8/15/393268.jpg

Interesting character analysis.

Modifié par Volus Warlord, 20 août 2011 - 02:44 .

[Ghost Lightning]

This, Awesome.