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[Lukeskymac]

TheBlackBaron wrote...
Guys. The book at the end. It had a SWIRL of STARS on its cover.

Does this remind you anything?

B I N G - BUCKING - O

Guys, if we come across any mention of Starswirl during the season (or the next season) and through words or images it turns out he has a snazzy pair of wings... you already know the rest. (okay, I'll let this rest, I promise)

[TheBlackBaron]

Tower of Hanoi wrote...

At the start of part 1 of the episode the guard pony with a message for Celesta tells her that "it has returned".Along with the lecture given by Celesta to Twilight about the Crystal Kingdom and the curse placed on it by King Sombra which caused it to vanish.

This implies that it did reappear recently, however the episode does not really give much of an explanation for where the Crystal Kingdom had been when it was cursed other then that it disappeared. 

I figured the "it" in "it has returned" was Sombre. Must have missed the part of the exposition where she mentioned Sombre had caused it to vanish. 

I think I mights still be able to make it work, though. The far north of Equestria is just begging to have backstory and links to pony history. I mean, that opening sequence when they arrive is like something straight out of John Carpenter's The Thing, to say nothing of Tusken Raider Shining Armor and his horn STD. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 11 novembre 2012 - 11:55 .

[Lukeskymac]

This:

Made me do this:

stysiaq wrote...

The main villain and plot exposition was kinda meh. Especially the villain, whose design was generic, and which had no other traits than being 'evil'.

>Implying Nightmare Moon's design wasn't generic, or that she had any traits other than being 'evil'. ("hammy" doesn't count, they all are)

You could point out that Discord was Chaotic Evil and that Chrysalis was Subversive Evil, but then you'd have to give Sombra an Authocratic Slaver From Hell Evil. "But that's just more evil" doesn't count. Aren't chaos and subversion considered "standard parts of evil"?

- A whole city filled with a pony sub-species appears out of thin air - introduced within a few sentences

...? Was Ponyville introduced with more than a few sentences before Twilight arrived there? Canterlot? Cloudsdale?

And what's this "appears out of thin air"? You seriously dissing a world-building plot point just because no one mentioned it before? At least they had a plot excuse for that. Did you cry too when Froggy Bottom Bog was a part of Everfree Forest without anyone mentioning it before? 

Also: A Canterlot Wedding. Need I say more?

- A very cheap reason for Luna/Celestia not to join the cause

Season 1, episode 1. Season 2, episode 1. Season 2, episode 25/26

- Anonymous cloud of black smoke without any personality attacks the city filled with amnesiac figures, and suddenly the only way to prevent it is to have a party.

Ponyville risked their entire year's crops and the balance of their wildlife because they didn't want to use magic to wrap up winter.

Cloudsdale risked a drought because they didn't send more Pegasi to Ponyville when they suffered a major blow to their ability to funnel water - because of a silly competition.

Celestia didn't seem to have searched for a way to purge Luna from being Nightmare Moon during the One THOUSAND freaking years she was imprisioned.

Really, NEED I GO ON?

-Twilight being nervous about failing the 'test' is a leap of faith, who'd ever have second thoughts about letting Spike save the day?

Wow, she thought about it for 5 seconds before making Spike go ahead.

You failed me, Megan. And I trusted you. At least my M.A. Larson worship isn't destroyed yet.

Go eat a boat.

Modifié par Lukeskymac, 11 novembre 2012 - 11:56 .

[Arcadian Legend]

Something that makes me wonder is why Celestia taught dark magic like that to her student. Celestia knowing such magic isn't necessarily far fetched though, what with being alive for thousands of years.

I guess she didn't so much as teach her as it was Twilight attempting to emulate the spell. (successfully at that)

Dammit Luke, you made me want to watch Two Best Sisters Play Resi 4 again. XD

Modifié par Arcadian Legend, 11 novembre 2012 - 12:06 .

[TheBlackBaron]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Something that makes me wonder is why Celestia taught dark magic like that to her student. Celestia knowing such magic isn't necessarily far fetched though, what with being alive for thousands of years.

I guess she didn't so much as teach her as it was Twilight attempting to emulate the spell. (successfully at that)

Dammit Luke, you made me want to watch Two Best Sisters Play Resi 4 again. XD

She may not have intentionally taught her. Part of Twi's cutie mark seems to be that just by watching another unicorn perform a spell, she can intuitively pick it up and use it.

See: Nightmare Moon uses that blink move in the pilot as a fakeout, Twilight then copies it and later starts habitually teleporting all over the place (note that no other unicorn seems to use this spell, and Twilight does it night effortlessly - see Applebuck Season when she's trying to get AJ's attention). Or in A Dog and Pony Show, where she emulated Rarity's gem finding spell and her's is actually more powerful (which, you know, kind of makes you feel bad for Rarity, actually). 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 11 novembre 2012 - 12:13 .

[Arcadian Legend]

You have a point there. Lol, poor Rarity.

[Lukeskymac]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Something that makes me wonder is why Celestia taught dark magic like that to her student. Celestia knowing such magic isn't necessarily far fetched though, what with being alive for thousands of years.

I guess she didn't so much as teach her as it was Twilight attempting to emulate the spell. (successfully at that)

I was about to comment on that - Celestia didn't actually teach Twilight anything on that, that seemed to be Twilight's Magic talent kicking in. Like in A Dog and Pony Show. Able to copy any spell after seeing it once. She's as badass as Kakashi would be if he was the main protagonist. (don't judge me, I watched it a long time ago, it sucks now)

Dammit Luke, you made me want to watch Two Best Sisters Play Resi 4 again. XD

Someone got the reference without me having to take a screenshot and post it! ::Relieved breathing::

[Lukeskymac]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

See: Nightmare Moon uses that blink move in the pilot as a fakeout, Twilight then copies it and later starts habitually teleporting all over the place (note that no other unicorn seems to use this spell, and Twilight does it night effortlessly - see Applebuck Season when she's trying to get AJ's attention).

Wow - I hadn't thought about Twi learning it from Nightmare Moon. 

[Lukeskymac]

BlackBaron... more Starswirl fuel

[Tower of Hanoi]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Something that makes me wonder is why Celestia taught dark magic like that to her student. Celestia knowing such magic isn't necessarily far fetched though, what with being alive for thousands of years.

I guess she didn't so much as teach her as it was Twilight attempting to emulate the spell. (successfully at that)

Dammit Luke, you made me want to watch Two Best Sisters Play Resi 4 again. XD

Perhaps this was implying that Celestia trusts Twilight to use such magic responsibly and only in great need. However on this topic another thing to note is that both Celestia and Twilight could use such magic in the first place. From the beginning of FIM  there seems to be a connection between a ponies emotions and her/his ability to use magic.

This is shown from Twilight using abilities such as teleportation in 'The Ticket Master' when distressed( "I didn't even know it was going to happen") and literally bursting into flames in ' Feeling Pinkie Keen '. The elements of harmony themselves seem dependent on the friendship felt between it's users. I wonder therefore if using magic such as in the episode is dependent on the user having to channel 'hatred and fear' to quote Celestia and if so what that could imply about Twilight. I am not suggesting however that such magic need be inherently corrupting however i.e. channeling the dark side of the force.  


Note:This could simply be a result of Twilight special talent being magic however as noted above. 

Modifié par Tower of Hanoi, 11 novembre 2012 - 12:52 .

[Lukeskymac]

There's some talk in /mlp/ about the Mane 6 becoming flat and Flanderized. Especially Rainbow Dash, which was pretty rude in the entire episode.

I don't think that's the case, seeing how:

-They were actually reversed-Flanderized since S1E1
-They became Flanderized again in S2E1
-Back to normal afterwards (Mare Do Well is a sad exception)

To take Dash as an example, she was downright terrible in S1 episodes 1-3 ("I got the ticket!"), but by Hurricane Fluttershy... well I think Hurricane Fluttershy doesn't need any explanations.

[Lukeskymac]

Tower of Hanoi wrote...The elements of harmony themselves seem dependent on the friendship felt between it's users. I wonder therefore if using magic such as in the episode is dependent on the user having to channel 'hatred and fear' to quote Celestia and if so what that could imply about Twilight. I am not suggesting however that such magic need be inherently corrupting however i.e. channeling the dark side of the force. 

AFAIK even Luke Skywalker used Force Lightning in the Expanded Universe.

[Tower of Hanoi]

Lukeskymac wrote...

Tower of Hanoi wrote...The elements of harmony themselves seem dependent on the friendship felt between it's users. I wonder therefore if using magic such as in the episode is dependent on the user having to channel 'hatred and fear' to quote Celestia and if so what that could imply about Twilight. I am not suggesting however that such magic need be inherently corrupting however i.e. channeling the dark side of the force. 

AFAIK even Luke Skywalker used Force Lightning in the Expanded Universe.

As an aside I think Luike used "Emerald fire" which was similar in appearance to Force Lightning , at least in the New Jedi Order Series. However according to Wookieepedia " Force lightning ability was not restricted to dark-siders. Jedi and other light-siders who were strong of will and character could learn this power without falling to the dark side—but its use was viewed as inherently corrupting, and most Jedi Councils forbade its use."
 
Link:starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_lightning
 

Modifié par Tower of Hanoi, 11 novembre 2012 - 01:14 .

[Lukeskymac]

Some people ****ing about how "Twilight didn't learn anything in Lesson Zero". Lesson Zero's lesson wasn't even aimed at HER, it was at her friends who ignored her panic.

Twilight not being neurotic would simply become The Ultimate Mary Sue and eventually we'd go back to G1. None of the episodes focusing on one character's flaw is meant to purge them away for that exact reason.

EDIT: And just like that, everything is explained:

Anonymous wrote...

This is a hate RD thread. Anybody who doesn't like her has gravitated here.
A giant circlejerk. Giant.

Modifié par Lukeskymac, 11 novembre 2012 - 01:10 .

[Lukeskymac]

Another random episode comment: I mentioned how I disliked Cadence and Twi dancing, but afterwards Cadence's portrayal was spot-on. Especially at the end.

[Tower of Hanoi]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Something that makes me wonder is why Celestia taught dark magic like that to her student. Celestia knowing such magic isn't necessarily far fetched though, what with being alive for thousands of years.

I guess she didn't so much as teach her as it was Twilight attempting to emulate the spell. (successfully at that)

Dammit Luke, you made me want to watch Two Best Sisters Play Resi 4 again. XD

She may not have intentionally taught her. Part of Twi's cutie mark seems to be that just by watching another unicorn perform a spell, she can intuitively pick it up and use it.

See: Nightmare Moon uses that blink move in the pilot as a fakeout, Twilight then copies it and later starts habitually teleporting all over the place (note that no other unicorn seems to use this spell, and Twilight does it night effortlessly - see Applebuck Season when she's trying to get AJ's attention). Or in A Dog and Pony Show, where she emulated Rarity's gem finding spell and her's is actually more powerful (which, you know, kind of makes you feel bad for Rarity, actually). 

An interesting idea. 

As an other point in part 1 of  'The Crystal Empire' Princes Celestia may have demonstrated the use of such a spell knowing that it would be useful to Twlight later on. As Twilight is Celestia's student it makes sense that she would be aware that Twilight can copy spells by observing her mentor( or any other unicorn/Alicorn) use magic. 

Note: If the above is correct does that mean Twilight could have learned the 'love it, need it spell' from Cadance?

Modifié par Tower of Hanoi, 12 novembre 2012 - 01:53 .

[Tower of Hanoi]

Lukeskymac wrote...

Another random episode comment: I mentioned how I disliked Cadence and Twi dancing, but afterwards Cadence's portrayal was spot-on. Especially at the end.

Twilght is best pony at dancing. 

[stysiaq]

[quote]Lukeskymac wrote...

This:

Made me do this:

[quote]stysiaq wrote...

The main villain and plot exposition was kinda meh. Especially the villain, whose design was generic, and which had no other traits than being 'evil'.[/quote]

>Implying Nightmare Moon's design wasn't generic, or that she had any traits other than being 'evil'. ("hammy" doesn't count, they all are)

You could point out that Discord was Chaotic Evil and that Chrysalis was Subversive Evil, but then you'd have to give Sombra an Authocratic Slaver From Hell Evil. "But that's just more evil" doesn't count. Aren't chaos and subversion considered "standard parts of evil"?

[/quote]

I'm glad you enjoy xkcd, but there are obvious issues with the season 3 opening vs season 1 or 2 openings.
Both Nightmare Moon and Discord are introduced beter, have speaking lines other than MUAHAHAHA, and they are more memorable, mostly due to the Discord VA and the humour of the character or the fact that NMM turns into Luna.

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[quote]- A whole city filled with a pony sub-species appears out of thin air - introduced within a few sentences[/quote]
...? Was Ponyville introduced with more than a few sentences before Twilight arrived there? Canterlot? Cloudsdale?

And what's this "appears out of thin air"? You seriously dissing a world-building plot point just because no one mentioned it before? At least they had a plot excuse for that. Did you cry too when Froggy Bottom Bog was a part of Everfree Forest without anyone mentioning it before? 

[/quote]

Yes, I can see a distinction between places like Ponyville/Cloudsdale/Canterlot and Crystal Kingdom. The first three, being just a regular set of action don't need more introduction than:

- Ponyville: a village where the main action takes place
- Canterlot: Nobles live there, Princess too.
- Cloudsdale: Pegasi live there.

And compare this to Crystal Kingdom, a place banished a 1000 years ago, with the ruler of Equestria not knowing **** about it, ruled by some MUAHAHAHAing slaver. This kind of place should be properly introduced, the same reappearance of such place could be a pivotal event in an episode or a two parter.

[quote]

Also: A Canterlot Wedding. Need I say more?
[quote]- A very cheap reason for Luna/Celestia not to join the cause[/quote]
Season 1, episode 1. Season 2, episode 1. Season 2, episode 25/26

[/quote]

Where and when exactly did I say I was satisfied with these? Nowhere. Just because a bad practice and logical flaws happened before doesn't make them good all of a sudden (even if I think the earlier occurences of this bullcrap could be more-or-less justified)

[quote]
[quote]- Anonymous cloud of black smoke without any personality attacks the city filled with amnesiac figures, and suddenly the only way to prevent it is to have a party.[/quote]
Ponyville risked their entire year's crops and the balance of their wildlife because they didn't want to use magic to wrap up winter.

Cloudsdale risked a drought because they didn't send more Pegasi to Ponyville when they suffered a major blow to their ability to funnel water - because of a silly competition.

Celestia didn't seem to have searched for a way to purge Luna from being Nightmare Moon during the One THOUSAND freaking years she was imprisioned.

Really, NEED I GO ON?

[/quote]

Please, do. I just think that they crossed the line with this one. The arguing about single episodes is moot, some of them I liked more, some less. Spitfire not helping in Hurricane Fluttershy - that was above any level of stupid. I could justify WWU point you made, but you're here to accuse me of hating and beaching, not to discuss any episodes.

[quote]
[quote]-Twilight being nervous about failing the 'test' is a leap of faith, who'd ever have second thoughts about letting Spike save the day?[/quote]
Wow, she thought about it for 5 seconds before making Spike go ahead.

[/quote]

I think this scene is making TS sound and look stupid. 5 seconds was enough for me. I get it that this was to put the message in the episode, but there are a lot of better ways to show that it is the collaborative effort that matters.

Not TS thinking about fullfilling the exact Princess's directives when everyone's in danger. I think that the comic sums it up pretty nicely.

[quote]
[quote]You failed me, Megan. And I trusted you. At least my M.A. Larson worship isn't destroyed yet.[/quote]
Go eat a boat.

[/quote]

You have obvious problems with detecting sarcasm. I have a lot of faith in the writing team. I just was disappointed with the opening, and McCarthy was the one to write it. I always liked her episodes and this is the first one I didn't like, which is sad because season 3 will be only 13 episodes long.

Larson didn't disappoint me yet, maybe a little with this time travel episodes with MGS Twilight. 'Just about time', was the title? Anyway, it suffered from the same illness the season 3 premiere : it was too brief on a place that could be the main plot device.

Call me a hater, but 90% of my disappointment comes from the MUAHAHAHA villain itself. It's the worst character in the series, if you can even call him a character. He beat Shining Armor, a brother-out-of-bucking-nowhere, and that's an achievement.

[Lukeskymac]

Sometime ago I mentioned how I've better learned what kinds of imperfections should be tolerated based on what could and couldn't be made different without bringinf about massive changes.

You obviously don't.

but you're here to accuse me of hating and beaching, not to discuss any episodes.

After the amount of mindless double standards - despite claims to the contrary (if you dislike Return of Harmony AND A Canterlot Wedding, why are you even bothering watching the show?), I really can't disagree with you here.

After moaning about how someplace like the Crystal Empire needing more exposure, even thought it had almost an entire episode dedicated to this, I can't take your comments seriously.

[stysiaq]

Lukeskymac wrote...

Sometime ago I mentioned how I've better learned what kinds of imperfections should be tolerated based on what could and couldn't be made different without bringinf about massive changes.

You obviously don't.

but you're here to accuse me of hating and beaching, not to discuss any episodes.

After the amount of mindless double standards - despite claims to the contrary (if you dislike Return of Harmony AND A Canterlot Wedding, why are you even bothering watching the show?), I really can't disagree with you here.

After moaning about how someplace like the Crystal Empire needing more exposure, even thought it had almost an entire episode dedicated to this, I can't take your comments seriously.

I like the show, I like the previous seasons' openings, I didn't like some plot devices, like not justifying the lack of both princesses' presence in some episodes.

Overall the Discord episodes, Canterlot Wedding and NMM episodes are good. Overall, the Crystal Kingdom episodes are disappointing. Simple enough?

You don't seem to understand the simple concept of someone liking the show and being critical about the weak parts. That's not 'double standards', that's being reasonable.

I am able to list here the episodes I wasn't satisfied with and justify it. I am able to list my favorite episodes and tell you what I didn't like in them as well. The weak ones are in a great minority, and that's why I watch the cartoon. I just won't be praising the episode just of the sole reason it's a MLP episode, especially with a villain like this.

As for the Crystal Kingdom itself I think it raises more questions than the show answers. Why is everyone amnesiac? Why the spirit uplifting brings memories back? Why the Princess doesn't know anything about it, despite being so old and wise? Why Princess knows some hatred magic? Why TS is immediately able to reproduce the hatred magic?

etc.

Now if you would be kind enough, please, tell me how do you feel about mr Sombra in comparison to his equivalents, NMM, Discord and Chrysalis respectively.

[Dominus]

You don't seem to understand the simple concept of someone liking the show and being critical about the weak parts. That's not 'double standards', that's being reasonable.

Perhaps 1/3 of the MLP episodes, from my perspective, were not worth watching all the way through. They either came off as clever premises executed to a fair extent, or otherwise were too predictable. As long as they're well-supported by foundations of relatively objective justifications, I welcome differing opinions on here.

Call me a hater, but 90% of my disappointment comes from the MUAHAHAHA villain itself. It's the worst character in the series, if you can even call him a character.

While you may have a valid point, it comes off as a bit of an exaggeration to have him put as the "worst". He's one of the most lacking in overall information for a villain. All the information and build-up for his motivations is thrown in all of 2 minutes of exposition. That's pretty much it.

Overall, the Crystal Kingdom episodes are disappointing.

In comparison to the 2-parters we've seen before, I would agree with that. In comparison to the average episode, harder to say.

Modifié par DominusVita, 11 novembre 2012 - 03:56 .

[Lukeskymac]

stysiaq wrote...

I like the show, I like the previous seasons' openings, I didn't like some plot devices, like not justifying the lack of both princesses' presence in some episodes.

Overall the Discord episodes, Canterlot Wedding and NMM episodes are good. Overall, the Crystal Kingdom episodes are disappointing. Simple enough?

You just confirmed my double-standards post right there, and goes on to deny in a few sentences later.

You don't seem to understand the simple concept of someone liking the show and being critical about the weak parts. That's not 'double standards', that's being reasonable.

I don't? I just listed at least fifteen things I would have done differently. You don't seem to understand the simple concept of not being a complete douchebag about everything.

I am able to list here the episodes I wasn't satisfied with and justify it. I am able to list my favorite episodes and tell you what I didn't like in them as well. The weak ones are in a great minority, and that's why I watch the cartoon. I just won't be praising the episode just of the sole reason it's a MLP episode,

So you'd put this two-parter down there with Made Do Well? You'd say A Dog and Pony Show is a better episode?

especially with a villain like this.

You're just being so harsh about flaws that are present in at least half of the episodes because the villain is off-putting (I'll give you that). Admit it.

As for the Crystal Kingdom itself I think it raises more questions than the show answers. Why is everyone amnesiac? Why the spirit uplifting brings memories back? Why the Princess doesn't know anything about it, despite being so old and wise? Why Princess knows some hatred magic? Why TS is immediately able to reproduce the hatred magic?

You could handwave most of those questions really easy. The rest could either be, I don't know, a set up for things to come? Especially considering how much foreshadowing was involved (and realized).

1) Make it up as you will. Part of Sombra's safeguard? Consequence of being gone a thousand years? You can easily explain it in a variety of ways without breaking canon, and in the end it doesn't matter so much to the plot. Not spilling out details that don't matter is a positive trait in storytelling, deny it as you might.
2) See 1
3) You're really trying too hard to find flaws, aren't you? Celestia and Luna being old != being around since the dawn of time. Finding (remember how the Empire isn't exactly in an easy spot to find/reach) and liberating the Empire s is implied to have been a quick thing, and as soon as this happened it vanished. Hence the lack of knowledge.

Subtlety. Ever heard of it?
4) This is a perfectly valid question and a source of discussion. This is also not something that needs explaining in this episode, and possibly foreshadows what's yet to come

Subtlety. Ever heard of it?[2]
6) As discussed before righ here in these forums, in the same way Twilight could copy NMM's blink and Rarity's gemfinding spells. Because she's Twilight.

Now if you would be kind enough, please, tell me how do you feel about mr Sombra in comparison to his equivalents, NMM, Discord and Chrysalis respectively.

Discord >>>> Chrysalis > Sombra > Nightmare Moon. Sombra could have gone above Chrysalis if his few lines weren't so hammy and badly acted. Then again, Chrysalis also suffers for her hamminess.

[Volus Warlord]

Holy ****.. guys, you are over-analyzing the **** out of this show. It is not Game of Thrones, it is a cartoon series with 22-minute episodes.

[Lukeskymac]

DominusVita wrote...

Overall, the Crystal Kingdom episodes are disappointing.

In comparison to the 2-parters we've seen before, I would agree with that. In comparison to the average episode, harder to say.

It certainly isn't as good as Canterlot Wedding or Return of Harmony, but I would only say I'm disappointed had I expected it to best those two episodes. Hint: I didn't. Thus, I think it's a good episode.

But if you're mentioning two-parters, you are also including the first episode. And for me that's a big 

Clarifying:  as in "I can't believe someone would compare Mare in the Moon to this and have MITM come ahead."

Modifié par Lukeskymac, 11 novembre 2012 - 04:15 .

[Dominus]

You could handwave most of those questions really easy. The rest could either be, I don't know, a set up for things to come? Especially considering how much foreshadowing was involved (and realized).

What Luke Said. There's too much we're unaware of in terms of where Season 3 is leading. What role the Crystal Empire will take place in upcoming episodes is difficult to tell, especially the amount of speculation we could be doing in terms of the Whats/Hows/Wheres/Whens. As I said before, the pacing of the episode made it very difficult to find much of any information besides what was already on the main path to saving the empire via the Crystal Heart.

In other words, it's too early to complain on the lack of information. The best thing to do is to wait for more DLC episodes to clarify on the mass effect 3 ending 2-Parter.

Modifié par DominusVita, 11 novembre 2012 - 04:04 .