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darth_lopez wrote...

Gravisanimi wrote...

I could say that people should just enjoy something, and leave stigmas at the doors of the Internet, but I shouldn't be too imposing of my beliefs on others.

I do say, however, that if you show genuine interest, watch it; if you don't, good on yah for not berating others for their harmless choices.


well said. I do think it's funny that everytime a new line of episodes starts we get strangers who wander in. And people say the Brony Communitty is on the decline lol.


Bronies are in decline. 

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Volus Warlord wrote...
Bronies are in decline. 


^ This. Hence two of your cult spreading rumors about me.

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Volus Warlord wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...

well said. I do think it's funny that everytime a new line of episodes starts we get strangers who wander in. And people say the Brony Communitty is on the decline lol.


Bronies are in decline. 


Even if we were true, it would be because we had the majority of the internet either in the fandom, on our side, or those who don't like it, but don't care that we do.

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Gravisanimi wrote...
Even if we were true, it would be because we had the majority of the internet either in the fandom, on our side, or those who don't like it, but don't care that we do.


We have R'hllor on our side, so your argument is invalid.

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I honestly don't care much for the amount of fans. To me, an unorthodox fanbase growing bigger increases the chances of enough crazy-people entering the fandom, doing freaky/stupid ****, and creating a negative stigma for the rest of the fans.

The only possible advantage to be gained would be greater influence towards the show. And other than a few shout-outs here and there (which isn't necessary at all), nothing has changed, and we got a *shorter* season. AJ's parents' deaths became canon in a hugely obscure way because Hasbro will be damned before anything even remotely close to death is mentioned. Never mind Disney fairy tale movies used to do that all the time. And do I need to mention Bambi?

I'm not a raging Lauren Faust fanboy. Heck, if the rumors about how she's disappointed with how MLP has turned out are true because they don't completely fit her original idea (alicorn Cadence, post-medieval technology, etc), I would tell her to stop being an ass. But she, and AFAIK Studio B as well, wanted FiM to have some story arcs, more *real* adventure (not the hardly-feels-like-adventure Dragon Quest type), slightly SLIGHTLY more mature themes... and even after a fanbase that would wholeheartedly embrace such ideas with TONS OF MONEY exploded into existence, not only the show is still shackled (even the comics have more freedom...), not even the BASICS are accounted for: where is the premium-priced show-accurate official merch?

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TL;DR Bronies whatever, I don't call myself one because spaghetti fans ruined the term (yes, more than cloppers), and me raging about stuff.

I wish I could buy the IP...

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Anyone here ever watch the Swearing Ponies videos on YouTube? How were they done? They were perfect. Hearing Celestia say "**** you Twilight. **** you all." is perfect. You even hear the "fff"sound before **** is bleeped.

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Lukeskymac wrote...
I honestly don't care much for the amount of fans. To me, an unorthodox fanbase growing bigger increases the chances of enough crazy-people entering the fandom, doing freaky/stupid ****, and creating a negative stigma for the rest of the fans.
The only possible advantage to be gained would be greater influence towards the show. And other than a few shout-outs here and there (which isn't necessary at all), nothing has changed, and we got a *shorter* season. AJ's parents' deaths became canon in a hugely obscure way because Hasbro will be damned before anything even remotely close to death is mentioned. Never mind Disney fairy tale movies used to do that all the time. And do I need to mention Bambi?

But that doesn't make any sense, if the fandoms grew large enough to directly influence the production of the show and become proportionately more depraved, why would you want us to have any more influence?  The way I see it, the creators of the show created the first season just fine without any of our help, and none of the bull**** that we have pulled since then *IE the "save Derpy" movement* have helped the show in any meaningful way.  Sure, a nod or from Studio B or whatever the hell they call themselves these days is nice every now and then, but when it comes down to it, they don't really contribute anything particularly meaningful to the show.  I'd prefer that they ignore us completely and stay true to the shows original design rather than start adding encoded references to popular shipping pairings as so many people in EQD's comments seem to insist.

/rant

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I am certain Discord and Luna are now part of a Covert Ops branch, that work on threats that endanger Equestria, and that the Elements are too precious to use for. Someone make a fic, I can't think farther with it.

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Eeyup, some borderline nightmare fuel there.

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I have to agree with bobobo, aside from the occasional nod here and there we don't really need that many shout outs so to speak and i would prefer many of things we come up with not to be confirmed or denied by the show especially some of our ideas which seem like they'd just throw things off kilter at times. Let the fanbase generate the fan content and the studio generate the official content.

Aside from that i don't really see what's wrong with our numbers growing. Sure we get more cooks here and there but it's still no more than any other fandom. And there are a lot of crazy fandoms, and even with all the crazies that we know we have we still have a good portion of us being amazing content creators with interesting ideas and high quality works as opposed to most other fandoms i'm(or have been) a part of where many if not most things feel half assed and not like they're precious gems the internet should covet. The only thing that really sets us apart from the negative attention and highlights our negative fans is not that we have more of them but because their easier prey that will in general illicit stronger responses because 1) we're already watching a show some might not think is socially acceptable to watch (culture depending) and 2) They did/said/made what in relations to a little girls cartoon? it sets up that "intended audience is precious attempt to protect" response and often illicits strong responses from people who would be socially likely to disapprove. Same thing has happened with DnD, Video Games (still somehow), cameras i'm sure, etc... etc.. etc.. Loads of things basically until those things became either so prevelent no one cared anymore or society just adopted them. Some still have to deal with older generations preconceived notions born often of ignorance and social expectations. My hope is one day, if we haven't already, we become prevalent enough to take down the Lolcatempire in greatness before going into the night slowly spouting queries about cheezburgers. And in so doing become one of the most memorable groups of the time. Ya know... till the next one roles around cause it's the internet and it's inevitable.

And just as a personal belief i don't think we're loosing members of the fanbase i haven't heard of any substantial loses anywhere of course i don't follow fan #'s news frequently either but if communities started going dark i think we'd start hearing or we'd be seeing less and less new content or something and we still just keep getting more and more. There would be some obvious tells that there is something wrong.

I think our biggest problem will probably be with the long time hardcore fans with the "it was better back when..." Which might now be developing.

TLDR:
I agree with Bobobo on the community involvement in the shows for the most part fans often should not touch the important stuff.
I don't really think there have been any major signs of fanbase decay yet (but truthfully i wouldn't know to well it just doesn't seem like communitties are losing members but rather older ones are coming back or newer ones are coming on.) I think our problem will be more with the older members later on than the newer ones.
We don't have anymore creeps than the other fanbases we just hear about them more because of how peoples social expectations play out.
And i hope that history remembers us as the thing that happened tot he internet after the all pervasive lolcat.

edit: also future refrences i use Brony as a catch-all term for any person who follows the shows consitently/when possible and participates in community based discussions around it and watches/creates/uses fan made material unless it's a one of joke.  I consider anyone who does all these things or some combination of them to be part of the brony community and worth noting as a brony. I'm actually not sure how some fans of the show can justify avoiding the label at times it's rather baffling :/ and the first time i've seen that happen actually. I'd like to talk more about it with folks

edit edit: Can someone explain what a speghetti fan is.a new term never heard it before.

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I honestly don't care much for the amount of fans.

I''ll agree that the show is a tad significantly overpopularized.

I'd prefer that they ignore us completely and stay true to the shows original design rather than start adding encoded references to popular shipping pairings as so many people in EQD's comments seem to insist.

That. The amount of touchy-feely-ness going on is heading into weird territory. We've got Pinkie pie obsessing over RBD and literally jumping into her arms, AJ is making rarity flirtations, good lord almighty.

I think our biggest problem will probably be with the long time hardcore fans with the "it was better back when..." Which might now be developing.

I'm somewhat in that department. I'm partial to Season 2 in terms of episode quality. Season 3 has felt like the majority of Season 3, though S1 felt more memorable to me.

And I hope that history remembers us as the thing that happened tot he internet after the all pervasive lolcat.

I'm sure the illustrious history of My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic will be placed somewhere in between The Industrial Revolution and the Invention/discovery of tofu.

Can someone explain what a speghetti fan is.a new term never heard it before.

I tried Google & Urbandictionary, nada.

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bobobo878 wrote...

But that doesn't make any sense, if the fandoms grew large enough to directly influence the production of the show and become proportionately more depraved, why would you want us to have any more influence?  The way I see it, the creators of the show created the first season just fine without any of our help, and none of the bull**** that we have pulled since then *IE the "save Derpy" movement* have helped the show in any meaningful way.  Sure, a nod or from Studio B or whatever the hell they call themselves these days is nice every now and then, but when it comes down to it, they don't really contribute anything particularly meaningful to the show.  I'd prefer that they ignore us completely and stay true to the shows original design rather than start adding encoded references to popular shipping pairings as so many people in EQD's comments seem to insist.

/rant


I actually agree with what you are saying. My "influence the show" comment was in the lines of "influencing Hasbro to make the show become what was originally intended by the creative team", not the "HURRRR FAN PANDA-RING" stuff (which I'm also not a fan of).

I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear enough.

Modifié par Lukeskymac, 22 janvier 2013 - 01:58 .


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DominusVita wrote...

Can someone explain what a speghetti fan is.a new term never heard it before.

I tried Google & Urbandictionary, nada.


UrbanDictionary wrote...


Although usually referring to an Italian meal made of noodles with sauce, spaghetti can be used as a form of slang to mean an embarrassing act, general awkwardness or faux pas. If one commits such an act, it is called "dropping" spaghetti.
Guy 1: "Yo dude, check out Tad creepin' on that girl."
Guy 2: "That's all kinds of spaghetti."



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I originally posted an in-depth response to darth_lopez, but my internet derped on me just as I pressed submit, and thus I lost everything.

I'll just go with the TL;DR version:

Although Star Trek, DnD and the like aren't exactly "popular", they are still "somewhat normal" things to be a fan of. Due to the nature of our fandom, our image is much more easily hurt by the weirdos. This is what concerns me.

Then there's also the slightly-elitist feeling going on as well. While I don't think you have to be a show trivia machine in order to be a fan, I've rolled my eyes and asked silently "Do you even watch the show?" so many times I might need optical nerve surgery soon.

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I understand completely that has happened to me so many times in the past @.@ (internet derping out)

Yes i can understand that, that is what tends to blow our negative fans out of proportion and highlight them. Giving us the impression we may occasionally have more wierdos when in fact we don't. I can agree with that But i don't think growing will really be proportionally harmful to us. It could be but we won't know. And there are plenty of trolls who would just mascarade as a sort of brony to make our image look worse anyway (this has already happened numerous times). Right now we aren't in the medias direct focus again so we shouldn't have to worry much about horrible publicity, which can't be any worse than what Fox has done in the past if you've seen those clips.

And yeah i think us older fans are starting to fall prey to some of the things older fans of other series typically do and it doesn't help when some of our newer fans do/say things that just make no sense some times. It's just a natural tendency i think for the older fans to start disliking some of the newer ones because they just don't get it. And of course we have to deal with people who just join or try to participate in our fanbase because to them they see an "edgy-non-conformist group" of some sort that doesn't want to stay with in the accepted social norm and have no idea what is actually going on here. I have seen a few of those people. I would like to think that it's mostly newer teens in that group though. Mostly at a convention i went to recently. I don't think we're necessarily on the decline getting older yes declining... not really.

We don't necessarily have to grow though. I certainly wouldn't mind if it stayed this way for the rest of it's duration we've still basically conquered the internet. And i don't think we'll be one of those groups that is forgotten about easily because as long as the series goes on, and remains good or decent, we'll be making new stuff.

Speaking of the series has anyone thought this season has had better songs this time? Not necessarily better stories but i'm liking almost all the songs this time through. Normally i find 2 or 3 that i latch on to but i can't find fault with any of the songs for season 3

edit:refrence to speghetti fans or whatevs: Ah so that would be like our awkward/distrubing area of the internet that we don't often venture into but when we do we find things that are not particularly pleasing. Yeah... i can see how quite a few things that some sections of our communittee do would be ... like that... there are strange grounds that i don't think even i would tread on. 

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darth_lopez wrote...

Gravisanimi wrote...

I could say that people should just enjoy something, and leave stigmas at the doors of the Internet, but I shouldn't be too imposing of my beliefs on others.

I do say, however, that if you show genuine interest, watch it; if you don't, good on yah for not berating others for their harmless choices.


well said. I do think it's funny that everytime a new line of episodes starts we get strangers who wander in. And people say the Brony Communitty is on the decline lol.


I think it's because we've mostly gotten to the point where liking the show is no longer anything remarkable, at least to the internet. And because of the size its reached.

Basically, it's stopped becoming particularly notable to like the show, so there isn't much focus put on the growth of the fanbase anymore. I know at least one or two people who have "left the fandom" because of that (they're real artsy types who like to be seen as unique and be at the center of attention). 

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When about 35,000 members strong,(WARNING: MATH JARGIN that's a safe estimate right? I'm roughly basing it of the Brony Census' last results with the addition of the percentage of the recent poll on EQD stating when they started since it was last taken ) saying that the effect of one neighborhood has on the image of the city would be quite staggering. Although more like Illinois being judged solely on the actions of Chicago.(And I gotta say that gives me a headache)

Even though I just started in August(maybe? Has it really almost been 6 months?), some fans that I have met that came from the same timeframe have a little more "I'm here because you guys are progressive" attitudes, and not really enjoying the show. Akin to if the Old Testament was just a good book and people were starting to go "These guys are creating a new, different religion, let's go see if we go get in on this"(Sorry if I offended, I didn't know any other examples).

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Gravisanimi wrote...

Even though I just started in August(maybe? Has it really almost been 6 months?), some fans that I have met that came from the same timeframe have a little more "I'm here because you guys are progressive" attitudes, and not really enjoying the show. Akin to if the Old Testament was just a good book and people were starting to go "These guys are creating a new, different religion, let's go see if we go get in on this"(Sorry if I offended, I didn't know any other examples).


Damned dirty hipsters. 

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Speaking of the series has anyone thought this season has had better songs this time?

I disliked the Yeah-e-Yeah song, though the "loud angry guy" remix of that was amusing. The only music numbers in the show that come to mind as favorites are Flim-Flam & Cadence Aria from S2, CMC Special Somepony song, At the Gala from S1, and(if it counts), evil enchantress. I'm not really into musical numbers unless it seems like they're really going full-blast Disney about it(or it the lyrics are very clever), the latter applying to the CMC Special Somepony song. This one's obsessed with tubs of jelly? o_O Oh really.

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Nah i expected some folks to do that. I think that's going to be the real problem we run into later on are people who want to use us and the show as a political tool rather than enjoy it for what it is. Sure the fact that we're mostly guys who are secure enough to watch a show made for girls is a good thing and might upset the stander gender ideas a bit, But i don't think any of us really started watching the show Because it would upset it. We saw something awesome, something we could identify with in some way in some cases, something better than the rest and we latched on like fans do.

Our numbers from the 2012 estimates are 7 million to 12.5 million and that's just those who were polled and responded with a 4 or 5 when asked if they considered themselves a brony. Have they released the 2013 one?

DominusVita wrote...

Speaking of the series has anyone thought this season has had better songs this time?

I disliked the Yeah-e-Yeah song, though the "loud angry guy" remix of that was amusing. The only music numbers in the show that come to mind as favorites are Flim-Flam & Cadence Aria from S2, CMC Special Somepony song, At the Gala from S1, and(if it counts), evil enchantress. I'm not really into musical numbers unless it seems like they're really going full-blast Disney about it(or it the lyrics are very clever), the latter applying to the CMC Special Somepony song. This one's obsessed with tubs of jelly? o_O Oh really.


I'm not entirely sure which one the yeah-e-yeah is. I like nearly all the songs in S1 and S2 was hit and miss. and so far i've liked at least the beat and tune of most of the songs in Season 3. I'm not really into it for the music though. I prefer the animation which is awesome. I think it's among the best currently on TV at least when the cartoons competing for my interest are Adventure Time, in some cases Transformers Prime and the Adventures of Gumball (which i find absolutely hilarious) I think those are probably the best cartoons to have come out in a while. The new littlest pet shop though. I've seen snips and pieces since it comes on right after MLP but i've never watched an episode all the way through but it doesn't seem to be that bad from the clips i've seen.

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Darn, I knew that sounded small, really small. I don't think they have yet released this year's stats though.

And PROJECT: BANANAS would need to be of massive size... someone get me the plans for the UNSC Infinity and the Death Star II.

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