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[Cainhurst Crow]

Ugh, all this fighting and rage. I need some water.

Sorry for snapping.

[Volus Warlord]

Lukeskymac wrote...
Fighting is Magic is completely non-profit

Irrelevant

and could even be categorized as a parody

Debatable, but probably irrelevant. Legal can be very creative in how they construe things and events.

This wouldn't be half as wrong as what Hasbro is dong right now

Very, very irrelevant

but Mane6 just doesn't have any kind of legal firepower.

Probably the most RELEVANT statement

Also, with no way whatsoever to confirm whether Mane6 posted it on TPB instead of it being another leak, the C&D wouldn't be violated.

Debatable. They could still charge or sue what's left of Mane6 if something like this happenned, and they are a shrimp against a whale here.

If they went forward with your idea, what happens is:

-They waste more time and money
-Possibility of legal action against them
-Personal reputation scarred forever

Or they could cut their losses and just let the matter go.  

It's a lose-lose, I know. But one "lose" is far less destructive than the other.

Modifié par Volus Warlord, 09 février 2013 - 03:23 .

[Lukeskymac]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So pretty much this is a catch 22. They can;t not show bronies or they get called for ignoring them. They can't show bronies at cons having a good time, you know, like what you would want in an advertisement, or they get accused of doing worse.

I'm not a defender of corporations here, but that seems goddamn ridiculous. What would you have them do? Show a bunch of office workers crouched in front of the computer to hide the MLP youtube vids on their monitors?

That's a false dichotomy right there.

Also, I didn't say they shouldn't ever show a cosplaying brony ever. I meant that it's probably an indicator that Hasbro doesn't get the fandom as a whole.

[LPPrince]

I'm picturing the Aura of Equestria team looking at an eroded billboard advertising Fighting is Magic.

Spring-"That could've been us."

Shadow-"Shame, but lets worry about us when our story's actually, you know, written."

Spring-"Typed."

*team giggles*

Shadow-"I hate your face."

[Lukeskymac]

You know what's worse about the Fighting is Magic issue? Out of all fan content, this one doesn't stray from what's acceptable in universe at all. I mean, look at Canterlot Wedding or the freaking comics. They could have just given them license to keep going. Hell, they could have even forced Mane6 to sell it for $5 if they didn't want to get disbanded and get the most insanely high royalties in the history of mankind. Sheesh, I don't know what would work or not, but anything would be better than THIS.

[Gravisanimi]

Dang it, if I don't calm down I'll have an anger hangover tomorrow.

If Hasbro ignores us they are ignoring revenue, and a lot of people are saying that they won't buy Hasbro products anymore, a little harsh, but the recent fan-work attacks keep happening, this won't go well for them.

If they start to attack FoE and side fics...

They will suffer the consecuences

Modifié par Gravisanimi, 09 février 2013 - 03:36 .

[Volus Warlord]

Lukeskymac wrote...

You know what's worse about the Fighting is Magic issue? Out of all fan content, this one doesn't stray from what's acceptable in universe at all. I mean, look at Canterlot Wedding or the freaking comics. They could have just given them license to keep going. Hell, they could have even forced Mane6 to sell it for $5 if they didn't want to get disbanded and get the most insanely high royalties in the history of mankind. Sheesh, I don't know what would work or not, but anything would be better than THIS.

It'd be A LOT easier to close them down, and more in line with their target audience.

[Lukeskymac]

Lukeskymac wrote...

-Derpygate and subsequent death of Derpy
-Half-sized Season 3
-Taking down FiW
-Taking down MAS (if i've heard correctly)
-Taking down episodes
-C&D against FiM after TWO FREAKING YEARS of development*
-Refusing to acknowledge our existence whenever possible. Even their on their slideshow.
-Taking down MLP online
-Taking down Rainbow Dash Presents (I hear it's "fine" now somehow, dunno if they upped it again or went the FiW way)

Updated.

Like I said, whether you like the content pulled or not is irrelevant. They pulled fan content.

[Volus Warlord]

Gravisanimi wrote...

Dang it, if I don't calm down I'll have an anger hangover tomorrow.

If Hasbro ignores us they are ignoring revenue, and a lot of people are saying that they won't buy Hasbro products anymore, a little harsh, but the recent fan-work attacks keep happening, this won't go well for them.

If they start to attack FoE and side fics...
*snip*

Lol

I'd assume as long as FoE doesn't get too much publicity, they are fine. But don't hold me to that.

[LPPrince]

Well, sometimes that happens. George R. R. Martin holds a tight grip over his A Song of Ice and Fire material for several reasons which if I recall were quite good.

[Lukeskymac]

Volus Warlord wrote...

It'd be A LOT easier to close them down, and more in line with their target audience.

You're telling me this as if I didn't know.

I know WHAT Hasbro is thinking. It doesn't make it any less retarded. There's no excuse for not having shutting it down early. Don't even try "they didn't know about it until EVO", that is BS. Even the staff was excited about it.

[LPPrince]

Volus Warlord wrote...

I'd assume as long as FoE doesn't get too much publicity, they are fine. But don't hold me to that.

FoE is only really known in the brony community and to some in the Fallout community so it doesn't have the publicity that FiM got thanks to EVO.

[darth_lopez]

[quote]Volus Warlord wrote...

[quote]Lukeskymac wrote...
Fighting is Magic is completely non-profit[/quote]

Irrelevant

[quote]and could even be categorized as a parody
[/quote]

Debatable, but probably irrelevant. Legal can be very creative in how they construe things and events.

[/quote]

That's not entirely irrelevant, at least if the mane6 are US based, the fighting game is technically a parody of the official show. Since they aren';t tryign to monetize it either it should fall under fair use. But i'm no expert in Copyright. 

[quote]

[quote]This wouldn't be half as wrong as what Hasbro is dong right now
[/quote]

Very, very irrelevant

[quote]but Mane6 just doesn't have any kind of legal firepower.
[/quote]

Probably the most RELEVANT statement
[/quote]
that is a problem and there should be some fund started to support them because i Do Believe that Hasbro Is Reaching into grounds that Are Clearly Defined and Established as Protected Forms of the 1st Ammendment here in the states at least, Again only applies if the Mane6 are state based (which i assume they are but i don't know for sure) SO they Should and Probably do have a legal loophole around the CDO i'm gathering they recieved today.

[quote]
[quote]Also, with no way whatsoever to confirm whether Mane6 posted it on TPB instead of it being another leak, the C&D wouldn't be violated.
[/quote]

Debatable. They could still charge or sue what's left of Mane6 if something like this happenned, and they are a shrimp against a whale here.

If they went forward with your idea, what happens is:

-They waste more time and money
-Possibility of legal action against them
-Personal reputation scarred forever

Or they could cut their losses and just let the matter go.  

It's a lose-lose, I know. But one "lose" is far less destructive than the other.
[/quote]
[/quote]
There would have to be solid proof they're responsible. If another Leak happened it could just be someone got their files hacked by someone and the game was posted unofficially. Sure Hasbro could try to retaliate against them but with no hard evidence that the Mane6 released the game, which if they did i'm sure it wouldn't be surprisingly difficult to get after all anominity on the net doesn't really exist, But Hasbro would have to find reason to believe it was them and legitimate proof acquired via warrant that it was them to take legal action. But Yes there is more to lose than gain.


There are legalities that should and could protect the mane6 and Fighting is magic alongside other fan made content through the fair use laws and parody laws. There are plenty of things Legally Amiss with what hasbor has been doing as of late.

[LPPrince]

I want to know what was up with Prominence and the other guy leaving the team recently.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Lukeskymac wrote...

Lukeskymac wrote...

-Derpygate and subsequent death of Derpy
-Half-sized Season 3
-Taking down FiW
-Taking down MAS (if i've heard correctly)
-Taking down episodes
-C&D against FiM after TWO FREAKING YEARS of development*
-Refusing to acknowledge our existence whenever possible. Even their on their slideshow.
-Taking down MLP online
-Taking down Rainbow Dash Presents (I hear it's "fine" now somehow, dunno if they upped it again or went the FiW way)

Updated.

Like I said, whether you like the content pulled or not is irrelevant. They pulled fan content.

Relevent.

If they go after FIMifciton or EQD

[darth_lopez]

Gravisanimi wrote...

Dang it, if I don't calm down I'll have an anger hangover tomorrow.

If Hasbro ignores us they are ignoring revenue, and a lot of people are saying that they won't buy Hasbro products anymore, a little harsh, but the recent fan-work attacks keep happening, this won't go well for them.

If they start to attack FoE and side fics...

<snip>
They will suffer the consecuences

I say let the fans bring it. Let's Take the revenue we would be generating and dump into some lawyers to Defend Parody and Fair Use against hasbro.

[Volus Warlord]

LPPrince wrote...

I want to know what was up with Prominence and the other guy leaving the team recently.

If I had to bet on it I'd say letting it go and cutting their losses. Based on everything seen and heard about Mane6, there was no reason to suspect significant internal tension.

[LPPrince]

Yeah, same assumption here.

[Volus Warlord]

Darth Brotarian wrote...


Relevent.

If they go after FIMifciton or EQD

*snip*

Most fanfiction is too small profile to be worth the effort.

But if more fan-made stuff is going to fall, I'd say EQD is next. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

[LPPrince]

I highly doubt EQD's gonna go down, as if it was, I'd think it would've gone down before even Fighting is Magic.

[LPPrince]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

[Inquisitor Recon]

Normally I'd laugh at you guys, but having seen many mods for various games shut down due to legal reasons over the years, that sucks.

[Lukeskymac]

LPPrince wrote...

I highly doubt EQD's gonna go down, as if it was, I'd think it would've gone down before even Fighting is Magic.

Why would they go after EQD first? They may be larger, but they are a news and content relayer, they don't make content the way Mane6 did.

[LPPrince]

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