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[Dovahzeymahlkey]

i dunno, i think rj is letting a few rotten apples spoil the bunch.

 

and going back to her post.

"I mean in theory, I couldn't give a damn less what people want to ****** to in their off hours jahannam is waiting; my biggest beef is adults (in specific, adult men) muscling in on what is supposed to be a safe space for little girls and demanding they have their needs catered to and generally making the fandom an unsafe environment for children. Obviously there's only so much parents and older demographics can do, but I feel like the fact that the hysteria around this show has birthed these weird-ass phenomena means that more effort needs to be put forth when it comes to sparing its intended audience alienation and abuse."

 

to me it sounds like the concept of adults, mainly men, watching mlp upsets her. implying that our presence as men makes the fandom "an unsafe environment for children."

i think you have it reversed. having all tese adults part of the fandom means there are more grownups ot there protecting the younger viewers from questionable material. which exists for every fandom might i point out.

[Gravisanimi]

But you like it tho? You got the twitch twitch in your britch britches?

Though your vernacular maybe confusing me, no, I do not enjoy sexualization of ponies.

 

It is however, a fact that, the majority of the time in a fandom, sexualized art is on average more well done than normal or r34 art, simply because [insert long psychology rant that I both don't want to type and know only 1% of BWF would even read]

 

To be perfectly clear: I don't like ponies in a sexual manner, but eh, if you want to go screaming that I do(for some raisin) at the top of your lungs, I've learned from Recon that only worsens the problem.

[SlottsMachine]

yes.

Cloppers? 

[Cainhurst Crow]

Powerpuff girls have porn made about them. Spongebob has porn. Dora the explorer, Little Einsteins, Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers, Goof Troop, Looney Toons, Franklin, all have porn made about them.

 

Porn knows no mercy. Porn knows no boundaries. Porn is bacteria, and it will consume all media until everything has been made into porn.

 

This is a rule. Rule # 34. And to fight it is the same as fighting any other universal rule.

[ObserverStatus]

I mean in theory, I couldn't give a damn less what people want to ****** to in their off hours jahannam is waiting; my biggest beef is adults (in specific, adult men) muscling in on what is supposed to be a safe space for little girls and demanding they have their needs catered to and generally making the fandom an unsafe environment for children. Obviously there's only so much parents and older demographics can do, but I feel like the fact that the hysteria around this show has birthed these weird-ass phenomena means that more effort needs to be put forth when it comes to sparing its intended audience alienation and abuse.

Why adult men in particular? In just about any fandom you find, female fans draw a disproportionately high portion of the R34, or so I've heard.

[TheBlackBaron]

I know who did it, I just don't care.

 

I mean in theory, I couldn't give a damn less what people want to ****** to in their off hours jahannam is waiting; my biggest beef is adults (in specific, adult men) muscling in on what is supposed to be a safe space for little girls and demanding they have their needs catered to and generally making the fandom an unsafe environment for children. Obviously there's only so much parents and older demographics can do, but I feel like the fact that the hysteria around this show has birthed these weird-ass phenomena means that more effort needs to be put forth when it comes to sparing its intended audience alienation and abuse.

 

While there is a lot of interaction between the show crew and the fanbase, I wouldn't say that the fanbase has been "muscling in" on it. By and large, the show has not changed much from Season 1 and Season 2, which were largely written and produced long before they became aware of the periphery demographic. There are absolutely some who -are- "like that", but the writers and producers have been pretty steadfast in keeping the show pure, as it were. 

 

As for the fandom itself ... there is very little interaction between the main demographic and primary demographic. You won't find little girls on Equestria Daily, or /mlp/, or at cons. That extends to the merch too, which is mostly Hasbro's end. Sometimes their merch or the stuff they license contains nods to the fandom and its ways, but it too mostly remains the domain of the little girls. There are sites like WeLoveFine, which deals in t-shirts, that are mostly oriented to the adult fanbase and have very little interaction with the little girls, but they are also resolutely safe. 

 

Now, there are the types who post creeper comments on Claire Corlett's YT account and deride the little girls as "not being real fans", but they're a minority and ****** nobody likes them. They're the ones the term "brownie" was coined for. 

 

And as far as the internet goes ... there's not really much you can do about it. There is a campaign where on given days of the month some will take to Google and go through what Images returns for what would be common search terms on Safe Search and flags things that would be considered "naughty", and the tumblr fanbase has been campaigning for greater vigilance about tagging NSFW. So that's some of the things that the fanbase does, and it helps that the cloppers and the seedier bits mostly inhabit the dark corners of the internet. 

 

But you have to be a completely irresponsible parent to let a 4 or 7 or 11 year old go on the Internet without supervision. You can't hold the fanbase responsible for your own failings in that regard, and any moral panic about MLP and things being "unsafe" can be easily applied to just about every children's cartoon on the planet. Rule34 and FF.net are full of smut for Fairly Odd Parents, Jimmy Neutron, Avatar: TLA, the Powerpuff Girls, and all the others. The Internet is not a safe space, and never has been. 

 

EDIT: Also worth nothing that 90% of the porn drawn and written on the Internet is done by women, which holds true in the small horse fandom as well. 

[Dovahzeymahlkey]

Cloppers? 

every fandom has a dark side. doesnt make the show bad.

 

 

lets get back to mlp stuff.

look what nicole oliver tweeted!

[Cainhurst Crow]

Sunbut-OH GOD THERE'S NO AIR HERE AGHGHGHSFBDGJKHSDGJKGH

[Dovahzeymahlkey]

Why adult men in particular? In just about any fandom you find, female fans draw a disproportionately high portion of the R34, or so I've heard.

ive been meaning to ask you bob, is that mr. poutine cuddling doge?

[SlottsMachine]

Powerpuff girls have porn made about them. Spongebob has porn. Dora the explorer, Little Einsteins, Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers, Goof Troop, Looney Toons, Franklin, all have porn made about them.

 

Porn knows no mercy. Porn knows no boundaries. Porn is bacteria, and it will consume all media until everything has been made into porn.

 

This is a rule. Rule # 34. And to fight it is the same as fighting any other universal rule.

 

Spirosz point was it seems to be more widespead with MLP than say ATLA. But I don't know, you seem to be a expert. 

[ObserverStatus]

ive been meaning to ask you bob, is that mr. poutine cuddling doge?

No, it's Mrs. Clinton cuddling Doge, why?

[TheBlackBaron]

Spirosz point was it seems to be more widespead with MLP than say ATLA. But I don't know, you seem to be a expert. 

 

Well, there's probably more MLP porn than Dora the Explorer porn, for sure. 

 

But ATLA? I've seen that fanbase man, they take their shipping wars more seriously than any fandom since Harry Potter and they produce volumes of pr0nz to match. 

 

Actually Harry Potter is another good example. Franchise with obvious enormous appeal to a very wide swath of demographics, and a commensurate volume of porn produced. The AFF.net archive for HP writing is just scary, both in size and in its depth of organization. 

[Dovahzeymahlkey]

slotts. its simple numbers. 1% of a fanbase like mlp will be bigger than the 1% of a fanbase like Dexter or House of cards.

 

and since you guys dont visit eqd, heres sme nightly art stuff. cant wait for maude pie. think theyll play pinkie straight? im till bummed pinkies being treated like a butt monkey character.

 

[Gravisanimi]

Bo is right, majority of r34 everywhere is made by women.

 

Even one's with me in it.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Bu-wah?

[Gravisanimi]

 

Hey, it's Ponified Companion Cube

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

This thread:

 

[Gravisanimi]

I'm told I'm a master at deadpan.

 

But I like DeadBon more

[What a Succulent Ass]

 

 

to me it sounds like the concept of adults, mainly men, watching mlp upsets her. implying that our presence as men makes the fandom "an unsafe environment for children."

i think you have it reversed. having all tese adults part of the fandom means there are more grownups ot there protecting the younger viewers from questionable material. which exists for every fandom might i point out.

If there weren't adults involved in the fandom, there wouldn't be "questionable material" in the first place. So no. That's not exactly logical. And it does indeed exist for every fandom, but not nearly to the extent that the bulk makes even a cursory search a potential crapshoot. Or to the extent that the actresses (even the younger ones) risk bullying and harassment both online and at panels. Or to the extent that the target demographic tends to be edged out of metafandom at alarming speeds. Or to the extent even the showrunners included a commentary on it in the programme itself. Or that there was an entire documentary made to chronicle the phenomenon (spoiler: it was sh*t). 

 

Never did I say that the presence of adults of itself makes the space unsafe. I pretty directly stated it's the behaviour of that adult fanbase, and I don't really care to read any long-ass essays about minority parties, because it's apparently a large enough minority to be an issue. When I say "adult behaviour," I do mean all adults, but it is significant that an unusually large number of men engage with the series, cuz.

 

MLP is very specifically targeted at young (primary school age) girls. It's hyperfeminine, it just avoids being asinine, most of the characters are female, and it actively redresses conventions commonly found in other shows created for this age bracket. This is relevant because there is a significant dearth of any kind of media created for female children -- to the point where network media in particular can be considered an economic failure if they accrue an unanticipated and large female fanbase (and look, I don't think I need to mention what happens when girls and women participate in predominately male fandoms). So I do think that it's worth discussing that one of the precious few bits of programming actually intended for girls is gonna be rife with sexualisation of the female characters (who are not even humanoids) and have non-trivial pockets of sexual harassers (when it should ostensibly be free of that) to the point where the show itself has been rebranded in the cultural subconscious, even in third party passersby. I really feel like if the adult fandom can come together to make some sh*tty-ass fandom-wide memetic jokes that I gotta see no matter what corner of the Internet I'm on, there is the possibility of banding together to make sure that the target demographic is prioritised in every arena.

 

That being said no one is "upset" that adults watch MLP. Like really. I literally ain't give a sh*t outside of mild curiosity. There will never be a day you will see me getting mad on the Internet over the Missus Ed Variety Show. Please know that I would eat not just my left arm, but my right arm too, before I took such an L.

 

 

 

This is a rule. Rule # 34. And to fight it is the same as fighting any other universal rule.

 

Don't bring that corny Internet sh*t around me, sis. /b/ is lame as hell and it's not 2007. C'mon son.

 

But for the record, I'm in the ninety-ninth percentile sure it isn't female fans outchea drawing horses with dripping vaginas and blimp breasts and bussin' it wide and whatnot. Like, I'm ninety-nine percent sure that's not the case. In another series where there were more gay male slash opportunities, maybe, but not this one. But other series are irrelevant anyway, because that isn't what I'm talking about.

[Cainhurst Crow]

99.9% huh. XD There's two types of folks who do most of the R34, and they both populate most of tumblr.

 

But beyond that there is a also the fact that most of the artists in the pony have, at one point, drawn rule 34 of the show. Their artwork is usually pretty well done, and easily recognizable, and they do a lot of different types of pieces. But for some reasons they either did or do R34 pieces as well.

[ObserverStatus]

I found a video by Mr. Poniator that made me hate a certain anime slightly less. Equine Lied

[LPPrince]

lets get back to mlp stuff.

look what nicole oliver tweeted!

 

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED

[Dominus]

With Dark Souls II releasing soon, thought it was worth celebrating both of our Dark Suns.

 

 

 

~Clouds & Baskets~

~Overly Cute Stuff~

~The Steel Pony Project~

~Got Your Fill~

 

 

Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo

Rainbow Rocks

 

[Dovahzeymahlkey]

 

 

If there weren't adults involved in the fandom, there wouldn't be "questionable material" in the first place. So no. That's not exactly logical. And it does indeed exist for every fandom, but not nearly to the extent that the bulk makes even a cursory search a potential crapshoot. Or to the extent that the actresses (even the younger ones) risk bullying and harassment both online and at panels. Or to the extent that the target demographic tends to be edged out of metafandom at alarming speeds. Or to the extent even the showrunners included a commentary on it in the programme itself. Or that there was an entire documentary made to chronicle the phenomenon (spoiler: it was sh*t). 

 

Never did I say that the presence of adults of itself makes the space unsafe. I pretty directly stated it's the behaviour of that adult fanbase, and I don't really care to read any long-ass essays about minority parties, because it's apparently a large enough minority to be an issue. When I say "adult behaviour," I do mean all adults, but it is significant that an unusually large number of men engage with the series, cuz.

 

MLP is very specifically targeted at young (primary school age) girls. It's hyperfeminine, it just avoids being asinine, most of the characters are female, and it actively redresses conventions commonly found in other shows created for this age bracket. This is relevant because there is a significant dearth of any kind of media created for female children -- to the point where network media in particular can be considered an economic failure if they accrue an unanticipated and large female fanbase (and look, I don't think I need to mention what happens when girls and women participate in predominately male fandoms). So I do think that it's worth discussing that one of the precious few bits of programming actually intended for girls is gonna be rife with sexualisation of the female characters (who are not even humanoids) and have non-trivial pockets of sexual harassers (when it should ostensibly be free of that) to the point where the show itself has been rebranded in the cultural subconscious, even in third party passersby. I really feel like if the adult fandom can come together to make some sh*tty-ass fandom-wide memetic jokes that I gotta see no matter what corner of the Internet I'm on, there is the possibility of banding together to make sure that the target demographic is prioritised in every arena.

 

That being said no one is "upset" that adults watch MLP. Like really. I literally ain't give a sh*t outside of mild curiosity. There will never be a day you will see me getting mad on the Internet over the Missus Ed Variety Show. Please know that I would eat not just my left arm, but my right arm too, before I took such an L.

 

 

 

Don't bring that corny Internet sh*t around me, sis. /b/ is lame as hell and it's not 2007. C'mon son.

 

But for the record, I'm in the ninety-ninth percentile sure it isn't female fans outchea drawing horses with dripping vaginas and blimp breasts and bussin' it wide and whatnot. Like, I'm ninety-nine percent sure that's not the case. In another series where there were more gay male slash opportunities, maybe, but not this one. But other series are irrelevant anyway, because that isn't what I'm talking about.

 

 

 

Bad things happen.

[Dovahzeymahlkey]

Look what I can do!