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[Dovahzeymahlkey]

Im not sure how to feel about Maud Pie. I mean shes perfect for what she was meant for. A gigantic foil for the mane5 and the polar opposite of Pinkie Pie, but shes not the kind of character I came to watch. She reminds me of a less cynical, less fatalistic Daria.

 

Daria has amazing inner monologues. OMG..Shes exactly like Daria. All that was missing in the show was the inner monologue poking fun at the perky cheerleader types with brazen dry humor.

 

If this show was told in the perspective of Maud, it would probably add up to a Daria episode.

 

Maud Pie is best non-conformist pony.

[Derpy]

Based on logic we are all one of the guys that follow trixie everwhere. Just add more pimples and video game addictions.

[Derpy]

God, I can't remember their names. Was the fat one called Butterball?

[LPPrince]

Could be. There's a classic nature for either description(Disney or Otherwise). As far as MLP is concerned, having multiple queens likely sounded too overbearing for Faust and the rest of the team, opting for Princesses instead.

 

Actually, it was because Queens are typically depicted as evil, while Princesses are not.

[AnAverageGamer]

Actually, it was because Queens are typically depicted as evil, while Princesses are not.

Which is dumb. The "evil queen" is a terrible stereotype. One who makes all the decisions and has a ton of responsibility isn't inherently evil. There's nothing wrong with aspiring to be a ruler at the top either. It seems kinda be.... I don't know... a disservice to females to imply that being a top leader is bad and that it's better to aspire to be below other figureheads and let them lead while you have less responsibilities.

 

I suppose that's neither here nor there, however. I just wanted to know whether or not MLP also had only implied/non present queens/kings and just a princess ruling. The philosophical discussion of whether this should be changed is better suited for another thread.

[Dominus]

A gigantic foil for the mane5 and the polar opposite of Pinkie Pie, but shes not the kind of character I came to watch.

Probably could've used a bit more depth and fewer "rock" jokes, but I still like the character XD

Actually, it was because Queens are typically depicted as evil, while Princesses are not.

True. I was going off of personal speculation, to be honest.

OMG..Shes exactly like Daria.

Seems Legit.

[Derpy]

Honestly, they are feminists as there are NO male rulers.

[Dominus]

Dat Rock Candy

 
 

~Her Cutie Mark, Such Surprise, Much Rocking~

~The Family Dynamics~

~Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh~

~Disney Much?~

~Epic~

~Also Cool~

@Anzer: Nah, AJ wouldn't forgive herself if that happened. :| It'd be like batman killing robin, c'mon.

D'aww:

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[Anzer]

 

 

~Disney Much?~

 

Is that an Old Yeller reference? Oh my god, is AJ going to put down Winona? ;_;

[Derpy]

Speaking of AJ, did anyone find that AJ memory orb in FoE kinky as ****?

[Gravisanimi]

 

Dat Rock Candy
 

 

 

I don't see the problem.

 

It was probably quartz, not that hard.

 

But the actual episode, official: Maud is favourite Pie, by a landslide.

[darth_lopez]

^ Maud is best pony.

[TheBlackBaron]

Which is dumb. The "evil queen" is a terrible stereotype. One who makes all the decisions and has a ton of responsibility isn't inherently evil. There's nothing wrong with aspiring to be a ruler at the top either. It seems kinda be.... I don't know... a disservice to females to imply that being a top leader is bad and that it's better to aspire to be below other figureheads and let them lead while you have less responsibilities.

It wasn't Faust's decision, in the end. It was a marketing decision by Hasbro. Frankly, the logic is sound - Disney is the gold standard for selling merch to young girls, and their top franchise for that is "Disney Princesses", after all. Which makes Elsa all the more remarkable, actually, she's probably the first non-villainous queen to appear in a Disney Animation Studios film, let alone one as an actual protagonist that will be elevated into the aforementioned franchise soon enough.
 
In any event, just having mostly benevolent female rulers that sometimes actually do things (when not farming it off to Twilight Sparkle and Co.), and -are- depicted as the highest leaders, does more good on that front than trying to ban bossy.  
 

I suppose that's neither here nor there, however. I just wanted to know whether or not MLP also had only implied/non present queens/kings and just a princess ruling. The philosophical discussion of whether this should be changed is better suited for another thread.

I once read a comic - I don't have a link, but I think it was Twilight explaining Equestrian history to her daughter - that used the idea that in the Unicorn Kingdom that preceded Equestria (as seen in Hearth's Warming Eve) the title of King or Queen was a mostly ceremonial one that one was elevated to in their old age, while the Princesses and Princes did the real work of running the country, which later led to Equestria's tradition (since Celestia and Luna seem to have come in later).

This actually isn't totally unprecedented, albeit in reverse - at least in the early Shogunate, the current Shogun often retired to allow his heir to take the title, while continuing to rule behind the scenes. I specifically remember this happening with Toku (the Tokugawa, Ieyasu) and his son Hidetada, but the tradition apparently preceded him. 

[Gravisanimi]

Disappointed no one caught that pun.

[Dominus]

Disappointed no one caught that pun.

I got the joke, but hoped for someone boulder to bring it up.

Maud is best pony.

It's official - My brand-new waifu has arrived.

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Really hoping to see a re-appearance from Maud next season, I'm sure she'll be popular around the MLP Community so some cool Arts & Stuff is guaranteed.

[AnAverageGamer]

It wasn't Faust's decision, in the end. It was a marketing decision by Hasbro. Frankly, the logic is sound - Disney is the gold standard for selling merch to young girls, and their top franchise for that is "Disney Princesses", after all. Which makes Elsa all the more remarkable, actually, she's probably the first non-villainous queen to appear in a Disney Animation Studios film, let alone one as an actual protagonist that will be elevated into the aforementioned franchise soon enough.
 
In any event, just having mostly benevolent female rulers that sometimes actually do things (when not farming it off to Twilight Sparkle and Co.), and -are- depicted as the highest leaders, does more good on that front than trying to ban bossy.  
 

I once read a comic - I don't have a link, but I think it was Twilight explaining Equestrian history to her daughter - that used the idea that in the Unicorn Kingdom that preceded Equestria (as seen in Hearth's Warming Eve) the title of King or Queen was a mostly ceremonial one that one was elevated to in their old age, while the Princesses and Princes did the real work of running the country, which later led to Equestria's tradition (since Celestia and Luna seem to have come in later).

This actually isn't totally unprecedented, albeit in reverse - at least in the early Shogunate, the current Shogun often retired to allow his heir to take the title, while continuing to rule behind the scenes. I specifically remember this happening with Toku (the Tokugawa, Ieyasu) and his son Hidetada, but the tradition apparently preceded him.

While I know princesses are a better title from a marketing stand point, I was simply wondering why a show in which they seem to try to reinforce values beyond stereotypes that they still use one which implies that the top rulers aren't really the top. I mean... a comic can spin it any way they want. They can say princesses are the top rulers in all the lands anywhere, but to a little girl who watches the show, the title "princess" would still mean just that as opposed to a queen.
 
For the record, I'm not damning the show for not including queens in a favorable light, I'm just saying I feel like it could have been done if they are looking to break stereotype boundaries.

Also, here's the rant I was referring to, if you're interested. It's ~4 minutes (the whole vid is 10) and I linked it specifically where he talks about how media tends to avoid the title "queen" in favor of "princess" and the potential negatives therein. If you want you can watch the full video which also talks about how being a princess isn't inherently a bad thing, which I agree with, I just DO think the systematic exclusion of queens IS a bad thing. Being a queen isn't a bad thing. It doesn't make you old, evil, or cold. It's a position which takes a lot of intelligence and responsibility to hold and I feel like it would do well for young girls to be told it's ok/good to hold a spot like that every now and again. Again, it doesn't condemn the franchise in my eyes, it's just something I wish they had not done the way they had.

On a side note, is that new character they added anything like Toph from Avatar? I don't watch MLP really (can't get into TV shows... I prefer to play games in my spare time), but from the limited amount I am seeing in this thread she seems a lot like her and, if so, that's pretty badass.

[darth_lopez]

So apparently Silly Filly studios is going to be at a media convention here in detroit this april. 

[Derpy]

Queens are only depicted as evil because of the film, "Beauty and the Beast"

 

You all can thank Disney for ruining your rep, queens.

[darth_lopez]

On a side note, is that new character they added anything like Toph from Avatar? I don't watch MLP really (can't get into TV shows... I prefer to play games in my spare time), but from the limited amount I am seeing in this thread she seems a lot like her and, if so, that's pretty badass.

Anywho No she is not like toph, Toph was a more energetic emotional ball of fury Maud is Maud she is the ideal jedi if she is more like anyone from avatar it's the Girl Zuko Has a relationship with but her name escapes me. 

 

 

 

 

Queens are only depicted as evil because of the film, "Beauty and the Beast"

 

You all can thank Disney for ruining your rep, queens.

Regarding the princess thing Suffice to say i believe if we made our own fairy tales instead of adapting old ones that trend of princess over Queen would disappear. The word is used to enforce a sort of subservience that was implied in the old European culture in my honest opinion where as in the modern US it remains predominant on account of socioeconomic status, Princesses have Power and Class with little responsibility, all the luxury none of the worry,  as opposed to your average American Girl/Lady who might have Power or Class or no worries  but doesn't have that combination of all 3 unless their incredibly wealthy which is rare... All hail our mighty Capitalist Nobility, with their titles and Corporations!<sarcasm of the highest caliber>. However since that's a bag of semantics I don't really want to get into, I'll leave my opinion of it at that. I agree with the Critic though.

 

I would not blame disney alone or beauty and the beast specifically, which involves no queen or princess but instead was engineered to demonstrate the idea of a virtuous and dedicated spouse of either gender, though with the emphasis on the Female. And that happened well before Disney happened, Disney just adapted it to fit modern TV screens and somewhat align with the values at the time of the films creation. 

[Derpy]

I just have no idea why they are feminists. Even Lil'pip is a feminist.

[ObserverStatus]

I just have no idea why they are feminists. Even Lil'pip is a feminist.

Lol, why wouldn't they be? I don't know if you've been reading the same fic as me, but the Wasteland is as oppressive as fak. Might even end up turning into an SJW if I lived there.

[Derpy]

Lol, why wouldn't they be? I don't know if you've been reading the same fic as me, but the Wasteland is as oppressive as fak. Might even end up turning into an SJW if I lived there.

The only reason I say that is if you remember when she first goes into another vault, it had an Overstallion and not an Overmare and she was appalled with this while Calamity didn't care.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Why would a stallion being in charge be appalling?

[Derpy]

Ask Lil'pip. I have no idea.

[ObserverStatus]

The only reason I say that is if you remember when she first goes into another vault, it had an Overstallion and not an Overmare and she was appalled with this while Calamity didn't care.

It had been less than 2 weeks after she had left her own vault, which at that point had been the only culture she'd ever been exposed to. If Stable 2 is anything like Vault 101, she may have been taught to hold a degree of reverence for the office of overmare, and anything defying Stable 2's conventions may seem offensive to her.

 

Question 10

Who is indisputably the most important pony in Stable 2: She who shelters us from the harshness of the atomic wasteland, and to whom we owe everything we have, including our lives?

 

A. The Overmare

B. The Overmare

C. The Overmare

D. The Overmare