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[Cainhurst Crow]

Seriously why is she doing all of that stuff instead of somebody better?

 

Because rhallor has chosen her, as have the seven, and the firsts.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Because rhallor has chosen her, as have the seven, and the firsts.

Such lies. She is a terrible pony who has her friends do most of the work but then gets all of the credit and rewards from that deranged Celestia. Why does Celestia need more "princess" lackies anyway?

[Lukeskymac]

Critique of the Finale

 

I don't quite get equaling a collection of on-the-spot impressions with a critique. You end up downplaying the build-up and forgetting that the payoff (part 2) feels important for a reason (the build-up). My only criticism with the first part is that the as-you-know exposition - which NEEDS to be there because Hasbro still sees the series as episodic instead of arc-based - didn't need to show actual flashbacks. Oh, and maybe Celestia just saying "Your time will come" after everyone sings about it (did I mention I love how all four princess sing about it?) and everyone leaving to bed afterwards felt a tad awkward... but that's nitpicking territory already.

I find it baffling how we're already seeing "Twilight is a power-hungry farce" mean-spirited jokes that miss the point completely (is the entire Internet turning into /mlp/?): One of the things I liked most about this episode is how the writers acknowlodge that Twilight has done ****-all so far a princess - a point that was raised multiple times by most YT critics of the fandom. She even mentioned in multiple episodes across S4 (AND MAGIC MYSTERY CURE ITSELF) that she doesn't feel comfortable with such a position; this was rather a problem of feeling second-rate: if you want me to be X, let me do things that make me a worthy X. This can apply to everything.

While the first part was breddygud/10, the second part - dat payoff  - was just amazing. I was hoping for DBZ style over-the-top battles because of that much power in only one alicorn and boy did I get what I wanted. The only thing that felt funny about this part was how (in theory) Twilight was dooming the rest of Equestria by giving away the remaining alicorn magic just to get her friends back - obviously not the kind of decision a leader should make - but it was all something of a cheat/ploy as they knew, or at least I hope Twi and AJ knew, that doing so would grant the final key to unlock Elements of Harmony v2.0 - no trinkets required! As you yourself said - the wrong decision at the right time.

I also liked how they properly addressed Discord's temporary betrayal and how it served to give him a more permanent lesson: as seen by insistence at a team effort, holding out on Twilight's existence, and his own feelings about being betrayed, it was obvious that he did it hoping to have Tirek as a friend as Fluttershy had been - with the extra bonus of also being able to do whatever the **** he wanted and not have his nature curbed by having to think about others (something many people resent at least once in their lives).

Gah, and then there are also the laughs, the attention to detail (boy was I happy to see Tartarus mentioned again for real), Tirek being actually more interesting than Sombra and Chrysalis, the pieces of world building, Twilight getting a glimpse of her god-tier alicorn mane and blowing **** up, GAH! There's much more to talk about, and really almost nothing wrong at all as far as I can remember. I'm not giving this a final number because my opinions usually take time to become solid, and sometimes little things blind me to the bigger picture - see my face heel turn on Maud Pie and on Rainbow Falls, for good and bad respectively. Suffice to say it is very clearly above FiM, CE and PTS. It's probably even better than Canterlot Wedding (villain quality, doesn't have as many plot holes as the legs of said villain). I'm just not sure I would be quite alright with comparing it to RoH, though. Time will tell.

[Nate Assassin]

Such lies. She is a terrible pony who has her friends do most of the work but then gets all of the credit and rewards from that deranged Celestia. Why does Celestia need more "princess" lackies anyway?

So that her rule looks more "free" than what it really is. In awhile Celestia will swoop in and kick all the other princesses back to the moon and will probably do the same to every other pony ever and start a new age.

[Nate Assassin]

being able to do whatever the **** he wanted and not have his nature curbed by having to think about others

I do whatever I want when I want how I want everyday, no princess will ever make me want to think otherwise.

[ObserverStatus]

Huh, there's a petition for Hasbro to bring back the library tree that Tirek murdered.

 

https://www.change.o...hasbro-savetree

[Dominus]

I don't quite get equaling a collection of on-the-spot impressions with a critique.

I start out with impressions, look it over and revise it into something that resembles more of a critique. It's how I've done it since the opener for Season 4, and it's only now been brought up. You seemed fine with some of my earlier ones. Besides, it's just one of countless written opinions on the internet, and sorry you've grown issue with that. Easy there, Boney.

...which NEEDS to be there because Hasbro still sees the series as episodic instead of arc-based

If we were referring to the first 2 seasons or so, I might agree with their direction. The 2-parter episodes were generally disjointed from each other and weren't often referred to outside of said episodes. Lauren Faust's concept for G4 was likely a mishmash of the earlier 2 generations: Action-Fantasy Story-Centric episodes, and Slice-Of-Life Character-Based Episodes. Season 4 headed into strange territory, mish-mashing both the "Key" episodes, nods to future episodes i.e. Maud's picture, combined with the traditional framework they were using. Is flashbacking necessary? Not always, and in this case, I think just a simple reference would've been fine without covering it all over again piece by piece.

One of the things I liked most about this episode is how the writers acknowlodge that Twilight has done ****-all so far a princess - a point that was raised multiple times by most YT critics of the fandom.

A very important point. She's gotten(mostly unwanted) attention, but her actions so far as princess have added up to very little.

I also liked how they properly addressed Discord's temporary betrayal and how it served to give him a more permanent lesson: as seen by insistence at a team effort, holding out on Twilight's existence, and his own feelings about being betrayed, it was obvious that he did it hoping to have Tirek as a friend as Fluttershy had been

My initial reaction to the whole Joining-The-Dark-Side thing wasn't a pleasant one, but you're right in that they handled the parallel very well - without something more hard-hitting than a lack of friendship with flutters, he'd probably never learn that lesson.

7. How is Rarity not complaining about their rainbow makeovers?

Bad News is the color scheme didn't exactly look the greatest. Good news is that it was barely seen in terms of run-time, though S5 may have more of this. I like how the transformation is more organically infused into them instead of a Sailor Moon bit, but I can't say I'm a fan of the colors.

You end up downplaying the build-up and forgetting that the payoff (part 2) feels important for a reason (the build-up).

Part of my downplaying was due to being spoiled by the previews. They gave away an awful lot of important plot points, I'd rather preferred not knowing Tirek was involved from the get go. Ergo, sitting through it often felt boring and redundant. If you looked at, say, the same previews for something like For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils, they enticed the viewer without revealing where they were really going with the storyline. I enjoyed it a great deal more in that consequence. Perhaps I shouldn't look so far into previews. XD

Didn't watch new episode, sounds lame.

Bad idea. It's still a great finale and the >implications of its endgame are going to make a big splash in S5.


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Heh.

[Gravisanimi]

I also liked how they properly addressed Discord's temporary betrayal and how it served to give him a more permanent lesson: as seen by insistence at a team effort, holding out on Twilight's existence, and his own feelings about being betrayed, it was obvious that he did it hoping to have Tirek as a friend as Fluttershy had been - with the extra bonus of also being able to do whatever the **** he wanted and not have his nature curbed by having to think about others (something many people resent at least once in their lives).

 

Personally speaking, I would have given Discord is own "free zone". Like here, have this chunk of desert.

 

Do stuff with it for fun.

 

Also I feel like they have a hard time making a villain anymore.

 

MLP also now can be officially related to the Magical Girl Genre

 

I wonder if Scorpan is ever going to come back into play.

[Inquisitor Recon]

The whole "lets have Twilight do everything and rule over the lesser dirt-ponies" thing is getting old.

[Nate Assassin]

I got bored and finally found fanart that I like.
 

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[Dominus]

For those who missed it, the full episode:



Twilight's Kingdom FiMPressions.(NSFW)

[Gravisanimi]

I think the best way they can downplay the new Rainbow Power is make it so the next time they really need to use it: they have no freaking clue how to.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Twi gets so much favoritism, she really needs to be turned into a dirt-farming earth pony forever.

[Gravisanimi]

She'll be given so much power the universe collapses in after she fights Cuthllu in Season 8

[Dominus]

I think the best way they can downplay the new Rainbow Power is make it so the next time they really need to use it: they have no freaking clue how to.

Yeah. As far as I could tell, they just got swept into a ball and fired away. It'd also be neat to see them operating on their own with individual RP abilities, instead of becoming a weaponized rainbow cannon i.e. the original 2-Parter.

Tommy did very well on his Critique Impression.

• Action-Packed, Very Fun, A bit predictable in conclusion.
• Tirek awarded most Evil Villain
• Discord's motives not thoroughly explained(or otherwise confusing)
• How did Discord not see that betrayal coming? I got that from Tirek's first encounter o.O

"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."

• Twilight's sudden interest for the role of princess a bit inconsistent compared to previous episodes
• Recurring Location at the Ancient Castle doesn't come up with anything on the box.
• DBZ Scenes were freaking awesome.

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[ObserverStatus]

She'll be given so much power the universe collapses in after she fights Cuthllu in Season 8

Dominus, how could you "like" that? He didn't even spell it right >_<

[Gravisanimi]

I was tired, and I just wanted to say it, knowing that I probably would misspell it.

Sorry.

[Lukeskymac]

I start out with impressions, look it over and revise it into something that resembles more of a critique. It's how I've done it since the opener for Season 4, and it's only now been brought up. You seemed fine with some of my earlier ones. Besides, it's just one of countless written opinions on the internet, and sorry you've grown issue with that. Easy there, Boney.

Oh, I was just mentioning this because, at least in my head, usually "critiques" are thought from the ground up around analyzing everything based on the whole - my thoughts weren't a critique either. I am aware that this was similar to the way you've done impressions so far, I just mentioned that I thought it took credit away from part I. Sorry if it came out aggressively, it wasn't my intention. Also...

Part of my downplaying was due to being spoiled by the previews. They gave away an awful lot of important plot points, I'd rather preferred not knowing Tirek was involved from the get go. Ergo, sitting through it often felt boring and redundant. If you looked at, say, the same previews for something like For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils, they enticed the viewer without revealing where they were really going with the storyline. I enjoyed it a great deal more in that consequence. Perhaps I shouldn't look so far into previews. XD

... I've avoided spoilers for this finale ever since I saw the exploding Golden Oaks gif, so maybe that had an effect. I usually don't care about getting spoilered in stardard episodes, but finales are serious business. For example, there was a point during the YT video of the episode where a commercial break started hyping part II events (Will Princess Twilight blah blah blah), and as soon as that started I slapped my hand on the monitor and started yelling at the Hub while trying to skip the whole thing. It went something like this:

"Well that was interesting, I can't wa- NO NO NO **** NO HUB YOU SONS OF BITCHES WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT GODDAMMIT WHY SPOIL SOMETHING I'M ABOUT TO SEE **** YOU **** YOU FUUUUUUUUU- oh it's gone, whew."

I think just a simple reference would've been fine without covering it all over again piece by piece.

While I would have preferred it wasn't as drawn-out as it was, and I get that S4 kinda sorta had an arc, the important point is that DHX can't do much more other than they have so far when it comes to episodic vs arc. Hasbro still wants the series to overall be free of any *need* for continuity. We also have to remember that maybe the kids didn't make the "those episodes are key episodes" connection we did oh-so-fast, and that some of those episodes have aired quite some time ago. With that in mind, the #1 thing I would have changed would be the order in which the keys were referenced: Rarity's should have been the first and have the flashback, and AJ's should have been the last with only a sentence-long mention.

Bad News is the color scheme didn't exactly look the greatest. Good news is that it was barely seen in terms of run-time, though S5 may have more of this. I like how the transformation is more organically infused into them instead of a Sailor Moon bit, but I can't say I'm a fan of the colors.

Unfortunately those color schemes were surely dictated by the awful toys. Thankfully they kept that appearance short by keeping them in that form only for the super-duper magical-overload sequence, so it didn't bother me.

[Lukeskymac]

 

• Discord's motives not thoroughly explained(or otherwise confusing)
• How did Discord not see that betrayal coming? I got that from Tirek's first encounter o.O

• Twilight's sudden interest for the role of princess a bit inconsistent compared to previous episodes
• Recurring Location at the Ancient Castle doesn't come up with anything on the box.

Ugh, I hate to do this, because it's gonna look more and more like I'm just a defense force for this finale, but I disagree with most of Tommy's perceived flaws:

1) To me it was quite obvious what Discord was thinking: he enjoyed being friends with someone, but felt his chaotic nature more constrained than he'd like (meaning: any constraint at all). He hoped, like he later told Fluttershy, to be completely free to do his shenanigans and have Tirek as a friend to keep him company. Thus this episode reinforced one of the biggest lessons he needs to learn: you can't have it always 100% your way - people need to compromise in other to live in harmony. This hope for friendship was what blinded him from Tirek's betrayal: after the medallion, he felt like Tirek regarded him as an equal.

2) Like I said in my first post in the subject, I don't think any of this holds any water: it's very clear in the first part that she doesn't enjoy the ATTENTION she gets JUST for being a princess WHILE doing nothing she feels makes her deserve such position. Which is what she got throughout the season (Twilight Time, Trade Ya). Hence the whole "smile and wave" complaint from her. Imagine being chosen to an important leading position: even if you accept it reluctantly, you're going to want to honor this position by DOING STUFF. Twilight wasn't doing stuff, and still being pampered like a princess (something we know she wasn't comfortable with before even becoming one). Ergo, Twilight unhappy. Watching Tommy boil it down to "Well, guess it's just a Disney 'I want more moment', and that sure isn't good" was infuriating, and I was slapping my face multiple times when he did that.

3) The castle always felt like either a red herring or just another opportunity to introduce a place-with-potential-plot-points for multiple episodes. Though even he admits it was a minor thing, after his baffling impressions on Equestria Games* I wish Tommy would stop kicking episodes for not conforming to his misguided expectations.

I will agree that the third act is somewhat rushed, which leads me to the point: This totally should have been a movie. Send Equestria Girls 2 to Tartarus where it belongs, and expand Twilight's Kingdom by another half-hour. Plenty of time to better point out Discord's and Twilight's motives to inattentive reviewers like Tommy, boost up the DBZ fight, and overall wrap things up with a tad more "air".

I also concur that Rainbow Power is basically the Elements 2.0 (and I've said as much), but don't fully agree with "it negates their sacrifice early on the season". The Mane 6 DIDN'T know about Rainbow Power months in advance like we did. They had no reason to assume they'd get their reset button at the end of the season. Of course, the mere existance of the reset button isn't ideal, but as long as the season finales stay contained in 44 minute-long episodes, any resolution more complex than that would require much more time to avoid making the episode as rushed as MMC was. I wish people realised that.

*While the episode wasn't exactly amazing, he and Digi spent most of the time whining about how they THOUGHT the episode should have been a two-parter about the games rather than using them as a backdrop (like the gala kinda was) for a Spike plot. They barely gave a reason as to why the episode was bad on its own merits, it was just "BUT I DIDN'T WANT A SPIKE EPISODE" everytime, all the time. That video disgusted me.

[LPPrince]

So what I learned from the last episode of this season is that they might pull a "We like Impostor Twi" story that makes real Twi real depressed and they have to overcome it

 

Interesting twist, didn't think they'd go there

[Gravisanimi]

Or, maybe it could have been an Imposter, but she fused with Twi when the Rainbow Power activated.

Or never an Imposter at all...

[TheBlackBaron]

Having just finished the first part, um, wow.

This ...

This is getting pretty dark pretty fast. Like it's beating EQG's finale on that.

[TheBlackBaron]

ONCE MORE WITH FEELING BABY

HATE DETECTED

FIRING THE ORBITAL FRIENDSHIP CANNON

[ObserverStatus]

Lol, poor Twilight

 

[Inquisitor Recon]

If only she was destroyed along with most of the tree.