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[Dominus]

It's an acceptable form of Shoo-Be-Doo. Sorta.

The full movie got canned on YouTube, but looks like a Compilation popped up and will likely stick. This may be a better way of watching, anyway - unless you're one of those niche individuals who values the deep narrative of Hyper-Dimensional Rock Battles against a trio of Seaponies.

Yeah, good luck with that. 

[darth_lopez]

Twilight Sparkle's the best thing to happen in Friendship Is Magic. Outside of Lesson Zero, she really isn't that creepy. Recon, it's time for you to man up and love yourself a Purple Horse. She's so adorkable.
 

All hail the twilicorn, Savior of us all, Lord Derps Blessings be upon her.

 

Dovahbrony, on 21 Oct 2014 - 05:22 AM, said:
watched rainbow rocks. i think hasbro ships bonbon n lyra. it hit me that the main villains of the movie r sea ponies...

 

did not realize that. i saw it last friday when it came on tv. But yeah. It was maybe slightly better than the original EQG movie. idk. It might've been better i think if Twi Just simply wasn't there for this one. Frankyl her presence felt forced. Like they were obligated to have her there. Should've simply replaced her with Vinyl. Or let Sunset Shimmer come into her own on her own instead of needing twilight validation. Also Also. EQG rarity has a terrible terrible terrible sense of style. Just like absolutley abysmal. Unless EQG happens sometime in the late 70's early 80's? I mean who the hell wears metal plated suade?!

 

 

But also also: Does anyone know when the new episodes start... The pony fever is kicking in and i'm starting to get the jitters. I'm already almost done with season 2 again... i only started watching again yesterday T-T

[Inquisitor Recon]

Jumping to Conclusions. Or perhaps headcanon? While some bits(particularly in CM Chronicles and Princess Twi) get more clarification, there's an awful lot of historical empty space. It's a weakpoint of the series.

I'm just going off the evidence suggesting that Celestia is both incompetent and crazy. At least the former is easy to see considering she never gets off her fat plot to put an end to any of the disasters that seem to occur on a weekly basis.

Not really. She's intended to take a larger role than the other 5. Naturally she's going to get more attention. I'd argue it's less extensive than Harry Potter/Dumbledore.

It's Celestia's bizzare obsession with her that makes it seem that way, but it's not really true.

Council Seats, Rainbow Power, making changes on a global scale as opposed to just hanging around in the same town.

No lesser alicorn status however. Or giant stained glass window that Celestia threatened somebody into making.

So maybe I should only hate Celestia, but Twilight relishes in the powers she is given and whines she doesn't have enough. A petty dictator in the making if there ever was one. Maybe I'm being hypocritical when I consider my secret desire to rule a tyrannical empire and crush all who resist, but I'll dismiss that thought.

It's a theoretical. Assuming Twilight Sparkle was sister to Celestia, and Luna is starting out on the same journey Twilight was. For the sake of said theory, they'd pretty much have to swap abilities.

What I'm saying is, are you claiming Twilight is undeserving of it due to your distaste for her personality, or that the accomplishments up to that point weren't enough?

Some of both I suppose.

[Colaman172]

Forgot to post that I finished watching Rainbow Rocks the other day. All I can say is that i was surprised that it was better than the original. The songs can be pretty catchy at times to. So, I say, you should be willing to give it a shot if you have any doubt left. At least then you can have basis for love/hate.

[Dominus]

A Rebuttal For Recon:

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I'm just going off the evidence suggesting that Celestia is both incompetent and crazy.

Feel free to point out the evidence you're talking about. Until then, it's stuck at Conjecture. Time to pop out the Rhetorical Fallacies list... the claim probably lies around Unfalsifiability:

We really don't have enough info on the past of Celes/Luna/Discord to say who screwed up what, if it even happened at all. If you've got Legit Lore information to back it up, I'm all ears. You might be able to argue that with Luna, but Celestia's history in Vanilla MLP is pretty clean.

Twilight relishes in the powers she is given and whines she doesn't have enough.

You're right on the latter, not so much on the former. The first half of Twilight's Kingdom bugged me for a myriad of reasons, and that was one of them. Actually I wouldn't minded this route as much if it weren't for "You'll Play Your Part". If you've been granted royal status, immortality, and flight, there really isn't much justifiability to complain about a lack of belonging or lack of power. I'm guessing it was the writers' attempt at explaining her being an alicorn, yet not having as big a role yet after the events of Magical Mystery Cure. In fact, they had her recite this in the first 5 minutes.

No lesser alicorn status however. Or giant stained glass window that Celestia threatened somebody into making.

That's because Twilight's one of these, and they aren't.

 

Does anyone know when the new episodes start...

Going to make some educated guesses. For Season 4, it was announced 4 months prior to the new episode. By "Early 2015", I'm assuming February or March.

Prediction: We'll find out in November or December. I'd be shocked if they hold that info until after the new year.

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[Inquisitor Recon]

Feel free to point out the evidence you're talking about. Until then, it's stuck at Conjecture... the claim probably lies around Unfalsifiability:

Her incompetence is evident by her failure to stop any of the destructive events that have recently occured in locations under her rule. Doesn't matter what the problem is, she doesn't do anything herself despite her supposed godlike powers. Maybe I'm forgetting something but it has been true for the majority of incidents.

We really don't have enough info on the past of Celes/Luna/Discord to say who screwed up what, if it even happened at all. If you've got Legit Lore information to back it up, I'm all ears. You might be able to argue that with Luna, but Celestia's history in Vanilla MLP is pretty clean.

"Clean" doesn't mean she isn't an inept ruler who is messed up in the head. Her obsession with Twi isn't enough to prove the latter?

You're right on the latter, not so much on the former. The first half of Twilight's Kingdom bugged me for a myriad of reasons, and that was one of them. Actually I wouldn't minded this route as much if it weren't for "You'll Play Your Part". If you've been granted royal status, immortality, and flight, there really isn't much justifiability to complain about a lack of belonging or lack of power. I'm guessing it was the writers' attempt at explaining her being an alicorn, yet not having as big a role yet after the events of Magical Mystery Cure. In fact, they had her recite this in the first 5 minutes.

It doesn't need justification, she just craves power. She's immortal too? I figured she was a "lesser" alicorn who will die eventually as Celestia will someday get bored with her and send her off to rule over some backwater town somewhere far away.

That's because Twilight's one of these, and they aren't.

I don't get it. Never been a fan of much modern music. Still my point remains. They played key parts in everything she did so shouldn't they get the same gifts?

[Dominus]

Doesn't matter what the problem is, she doesn't do anything herself despite her supposed godlike powers.

This...is legit. And probably a plot hole that would make even Luna blush. Hasbro's answer to this for Season 4 seemed to be imprison them instead. But yep, she's more of a boss than a leader. Outside of Princess Twi, seemingly every villain is just cleaning up messes from the past. The approach to solving them is different, but it's still Celes/Luna's problem.
 

She's immortal too?

Whoops, she is a lesser alicorn. I straight up missed that.

[Inquisitor Recon]

And probably a plot hole that would make even Luna blush.

What's that supposed to mean? Luna's plotline is immaculate, we just don't know what she is planning.

Outside of Princess Twi, seemingly every villain is just cleaning up messes from the past. The approach to solving them is different, but it's still Celes/Luna's problem.

Probably more Celestia's fault considering that in all of that time she couldn't clean up those messes herself.
 

Whoops, she is a lesser alicorn. I straight up missed that.

And she still doesn't deserve that tbh. Because she is awful.

[Dominus]

Wait wait wait wait a minute hold the phone, stop the presses, call the toaster repairpony.

Let's think about this for a second. Who's to say it's negligence or throwing her into impossible odds unarmed?

Sure it's unintentional?

Celestia tried fighting off Luna with her Super Wacky Unicorn Beam Cannon. She failed, and used the elements of harmony to exile her from the Planet.

They applied the same to Discord. Fighting him with conventional means is nigh-impossible. In the season opener after removing the elements from the tree of harmony, she straight up says "We have discovered the only means by which to defeat Discord."

S4 has made it pretty clear that she's been trying to build them up as Part Defense Force, Part Problem Solvers Extraordinaire. I'm not sure it's as simple as incompetence.

[Dominus]

They played key parts in everything she did so shouldn't they get the same gifts?

Forgot to answer this one. Sort of in the same vein as "why the special treatment?"

The abridged answer is she's the best candidate as a leader for the other five. Originally from the CM Chronicles episode, it was her untamed surge of magical power that drew Celestia's attention, and made her the goddess' protege. That isn't enough for Royalty status, however.

Take a look at the majority of the Two-Parters, and switch Twilight's Leader role with another of the Mane 5. Pinkie was almost sold on living in a Discordant Plane of existence. Fluttershy doesn't have the courage for half of it. Rainbow Dash has the combat ability, but her arrogance would make for a poor leader. Twilight can draw from their strengths, make tough decisions, etc etc.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Wait wait wait wait a minute hold the phone, stop the presses, call the toaster repairpony.

Let's think about this for a second. Who's to say it's negligence or throwing her into impossible odds unarmed?

Sure it's unintentional?

Celestia tried fighting off Luna with her Super Wacky Unicorn Beam Cannon. She failed, and used the elements of harmony to exile her from the Planet.

They applied the same to Discord. Fighting him with conventional means is nigh-impossible. In the season opener after removing the elements from the tree of harmony, she straight up says "We have discovered the only means by which to defeat Discord."

S4 has made it pretty clear that she's been trying to build them up as Part Defense Force, Part Problem Solvers Extraordinaire. I'm not sure it's as simple as incompetence.

Exiled for 1000 years, that's a jerk move. Why not 5 years?

 

I see a lot of excuses here. She can't deploy that worthless royal guard of hers to do anything? They're even lazier than she is. Amd what about Twilight Sparkle's idiot brother being given a position of command? He probably can't even read a map and will almost certainly be killed by his own subordinates sooner or later. Clear proof of just how corrupt a government Celestia is running.

 

Forgot to answer this one. Sort of in the same vein as "why the special treatment?"

The abridged answer is she's the best candidate as a leader for the other five. Originally from the CM Chronicles episode, it was her untamed surge of magical power that drew Celestia's attention, and made her the goddess' protege. That isn't enough for Royalty status, however.

Take a look at the majority of the Two-Parters, and switch Twilight's Leader role with another of the Mane 5. Pinkie was almost sold on living in a Discordant Plane of existence. Fluttershy doesn't have the courage for half of it. Rainbow Dash has the combat ability, but her arrogance would make for a poor leader. Twilight can draw from their strengths, make tough decisions, etc etc.

Yet every other attempt at her displaying leadership usually result in her failing until the others arrive to get things back on course. Untamed surge of magical power? Hell, the Great and Powerful Trixie can put on a fancy display too.

 

Yes they all have their flaws but so does Twilight the mentally unstable. Maybe Celestia being crazy herself is drawn to that.

[Dominus]

I think at this point, we're going nowhere fast on the subject. Here's luna.

[ObserverStatus]

In other news, this happened.

[Dominus]

You've been greatly missed in this place, EA.

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Once back home, I'll give the new PH chapters a read and see what Somber's been cooking up.

[ObserverStatus]

It's nice to see recon actually discussing the series, though I find it odd you guys seem to be talking about the first episode.

 

This is the first time I've been in this thread in over a year I think.

 

All I have to say is I'm glad I have pics disabled for your link bo.

 

That is all.

You're not even going to look? Your cutie mark should be the three wise monkeys. :p I never saw the appeal of seeing no evil myself.

[darth_lopez]

A Rebuttal For Recon:
[spoiler]Feel free to point out the evidence you're talking about. Until then, it's stuck at Conjecture. Time to pop out the Rhetorical Fallacies list... the claim probably lies around Unfalsifiability:

 

 

Meh rhetorical fallacies are over rated and over used. The only thing that really matters is falsifiability since there are distinct situations that have played out in real life that do infact actually conform to things such as rhetorical fallacies( For example: traditional celebrations, why do we do them? because we always have and they make us feel good and the majority of us like to feel good which makes it ok because feeling good is a natural state according to some people.) There also the all to often occuring "if it costs more it must be better" which is intriguingly true of most technological components, there are plenty of cases where it's not but there are also plenty of cases where the more expensive piece of technology is literally better than the rest of the competition appeal to common practice, which is often the most widely used and valid explaination for many cultural situations. Which kinda makes them pointless, except in academic and formal argumentation.Infact appealing to rehtorical fallacies can even be a fallacy intent and usage depending.

 

In any case this one isn't really rhetorical this is just science. A hypothesis must be falsifiable lest it is only conjecture.  

Also they give a really bad example that is totally falsifiable in the context in which equipment/techniques to verify demon possession exists. Since the quote is out of context it could easily be from fiction. 

 

Just to play devils advocate:

Celestia is increasingly relying on other ponies than herself to deal with larger than equestria size problems, has been shown to be easily bested by a variety of villains, and has at one point had her magic drained in its entirety. In addition to that she's entrusted the future of Equestria to younger ponies who have yet to come to a real understanding of global mechanics and their own impact on the world. Further she has previously banished her sister to the moon, and failed to notice evil growing in her own court (see changelings). She has little faith in the people she entrusts to rule in her stead (meaning twilight see again changeling incident) and often carries herself as all knowing despite her distinct lack of knowledge on any given crisis. Further still she has no consistency and easily trusts former enemies (see discord) more easily and places more faith in them than her own student previously (again changelings primarily) She has been a poor judge of character in the past (NMM, Discord, Twilight(?), sunset shimmer, who knows who else?). 

 

While maybe not exactly demonstrating craziness it demonstrates a certain flippy floppiness that is often indicative of a lack of planning or consistency in decision making which could be an indication of some variety of crazy, also possibly possessing delusions of grandeur (extreme arrogance in her own knowledge (changelings and else where) and power (changelings and elsewhere)). Otherwise her previous behaviors, mainly the pawning off of tasks that are of a sizeable matter for her to be involved with, the inability to thwart said threats on her own and her relatively poor selection of future leadership, given they still have much learnign to do, could lend some credibility to the idea that she is somehow incompetent, in addition to numerous failed projects (sunset shimmer, the successful rehabilitation of discord, self repair of her family unit (to elaborate twilight fixed this for her using a weapon of warfare (essentially a shotgun forgiveness)) etc...). 

 

It's a falsifiable hypothesis the problem is that there is actual evidence in the run of the show that could suggest this to some degree, however the evidence is weak at best and sometimes stretched, though it is a recurrent theme "Celestia cannot herself do something, thus needs others to do it for her"-thus she is at the very least incompetent in some degree in her capacity as a protector of the land, though we have some evidence to the contrary in terms of general leadership.

 

That being said though twilight is a competent character who has time and time again shown that while she has quite human failings she is capable of gripping with the reality and gravity of almost any situation and bringing the situation to a resolution, albeit mostly to account for the failings of celestia or other actual authority figures featured in the series until she herself becomes an authority figure. Infact twilight's ascension. She is however still illexperienced for leadership which is a theme we have seen time and time again, of course the purpose of the show is to chronicle her gains in experience and those of her friends so this should not necessarily be looked at a sa character flaw as much as the path of character development.

 

This differes in contrast from celestia in that celestia's character can't develop beyond the point she's been established at it can only degrade and as such the moments of incopetence we have seen from her would be best catagorized as flaws. 

 

 

Edit: Well damn... i missed the whole convo v.v

[darth_lopez]

It's nice to see recon actually discussing the series, though I find it odd you guys seem to be talking about the first episode.

 

This is the first time I've been in this thread in over a year I think.

 

All I have to say is I'm glad I have pics disabled for your link bo.

 

That is als EA

Hi EA

    

[ObserverStatus]

I think Gravy will like this one.

 

[Inquisitor Recon]

They should still be both banished to the surface of the sun.

[Gravisanimi]

I think Gravy will like this one.

 

*snip

I remember posting that.

[animedreamer]

http://rumandmonkey....59#.VEkxTfnF9w4

 

MLP name Generator,

 

I am Orange Point

[Ravensword]

They should still be both banished to the surface of the sun.

Better yet the center of the sun.

[Dominus]

MLP name Generator

Speed Pony: Brilliant Force 8-) Aw here we go

It's a falsifiable hypothesis the problem is that there is actual evidence in the run of the show that could suggest this to some degree, however the evidence is weak at best and sometimes stretched, though it is a recurrent theme "Celestia cannot herself do something, thus needs others to do it for her"

Until Hasbro sets it in stone somehow, I suppose it's up to interpretation.

She is however still illexperienced for leadership which is a theme we have seen time and time again, of course the purpose of the show is to chronicle her gains in experience and those of her friends so this should not necessarily be looked at a sa character flaw as much as the path of character development.

I agree to that. If we needed a military general type, AJ and RD may be better candidates for leadership. And if FttF and the later RD episodes are indicating, she's getting a better sense of morality and discipline... with a few exceptions.

For Twilight herself, it's a work in progress as you mentioned above.

Nominated for Best Supporting Actress 2014

So I Read Chapter 69 for Project Horizons, a few bits worth mentioning:

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• For those worried about PH not wrapping up yet, this section will greatly help alleviate that. 
• The convoluted relationship between 3 characters begins to unfold a great deal. Considering the circumstances they're living in, it's not entirely unsurprising.
• That's an interesting way of entering a memory window.
• The Chapter lives up to its number....

I'm happy with how it's looking so far. I'll get to 70 sometime tomorrow night.

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In other news, this happened.

I guess this'll do: