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[Sisterofshane]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

What I said: that your standards of significant failure or lack of successes are laughable. That you fixated on the 'major fail' adjective is that other path.

It's not hard.

They weren't my "standards" to begin with, they were examples.  Examples, by the way, brought up by a different poster claiming them to be "successes". I was merely disputing that claim.

So if you have nothing relevant to add to my discussion, other than that it is "laughable", then I suggest you quit trolling.

That's not hard, either.

[GreenDragon37]

Sisterofshane wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

What I said: that your standards of significant failure or lack of successes are laughable. That you fixated on the 'major fail' adjective is that other path.

It's not hard.

They weren't my "standards" to begin with, they were examples.  Examples, by the way, brought up by a different poster claiming them to be "successes". I was merely disputing that claim.

So if you have nothing relevant to add to my discussion, other than that it is "laughable", then I suggest you quit trolling.

That's not hard, either.

Also to add to Teltin, isn't Jack dying fast because of her enhanced abilities? I read that in the Shadow Broker files, I think. If that's the case, there was success... but the cost was terrible, especially if you add all of the children and resources that burned with it.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 07 août 2011 - 02:43 .

[Sisterofshane]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

What I said: that your standards of significant failure or lack of successes are laughable. That you fixated on the 'major fail' adjective is that other path.

It's not hard.

They weren't my "standards" to begin with, they were examples.  Examples, by the way, brought up by a different poster claiming them to be "successes". I was merely disputing that claim.

So if you have nothing relevant to add to my discussion, other than that it is "laughable", then I suggest you quit trolling.

That's not hard, either.

Also, isn't Jack dying fast because of her enhanced abilities? I read that in the Shadow Broker files, I think. If that's the case, there was success... but the cost was terrible.

Not dying, but there is "significant" neural degeneration, and that it is progressing.  So, she might eventually be a vegetable, but she will then be the most powerful human biotic EVER!

[Someone With Mass]

Or she'll go completely crazy and start snapping people in half.

[Sisterofshane]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Or she'll go completely crazy and start snapping people in half.

That could quite possibly be the step before "vegetable".

And it would make me reconsider ever torturing children to make them more powerful biotics ever again.

[lawl913]

Cerberus is the best thing BW added to the ME universe.

Felt way more of a b/a working for them in ME2 rather than being you're typical savior hero working for the council in ME1. The reapers and Saren were/are cool and everything but theirs not much you can add to a villain with the "WERE GOING TO KILL ALL OF YOU JUST BECAUSE WE CAN ROFL!" mentality

The only people who should be complaining are the people who like Cerberus and are being forced to kill them in ME3

[Kaiser_Wilhelm]

The whole Cerberus arc really annoyed me in ME2. I like how they turned a side-mission reference into a major plot element, but Cerberus really overshadowed the Reapers in importance. Interesting as it is that Cerberus becomes an antagonist in ME3, I think the real enemies should be the Reapers and Geth, not soldiers and mercs.

Modifié par Kaiser_Wilhelm, 07 août 2011 - 03:26 .

[GreenDragon37]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

The whole Cerberus arc really annoyed me in ME2. I like how they turned a side-mission reference into a major plot element, but Cerberus really overshadowed the Reapers in importance. Interesting as it is that Cerberus becomes an antagonist in ME3, I think the real enemies should be the Reapers and Geth, not soldiers and mercs.

Exactly.

[Ragnarok521]

It's a change of which conflict is focused on. They shifted the focus from the main conflict of Us vs Reapers to Us versus Us like I posted earlier. The ideology of Paragon vs Renegade; Survival of our values or the survival of the species.

The Reapers are still there, make no mistake. Their presence is what facilitates the rise of this secondary conflict.

Modifié par Ragnarok521, 07 août 2011 - 03:28 .

[LPPrince]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

The whole Cerberus arc really annoyed me in ME2. I like how they turned a side-mission reference into a major plot element, but Cerberus really overshadowed the Reapers in importance. Interesting as it is that Cerberus becomes an antagonist in ME3, I think the real enemies should be the Reapers and Geth, not soldiers and mercs.

This.

I haaaaaaaate hate hate hate haaaaaaaate how Cerberus took so much attention away from the Reapers.

I wish Heretic Geth were the main force of who we faced. Along with a mixed bag of mercs, husks, cerberus agents, etc etc.

I mean, they could've still made Cerberus more important without having them take over the ENTIRE franchise.

Games, comics, books. For God's sake, I'll be surprised if the ME movie doesn't have a single cerberus reference in it.

But whatever, its part of the main storyline, no changing that. We just gotta deal with it and hope to God that in ME3, Cerberus is relegated to a side enemy rather than the main opposing force(40% is still way too much).

[Sisterofshane]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

The whole Cerberus arc really annoyed me in ME2. I like how they turned a side-mission reference into a major plot element, but Cerberus really overshadowed the Reapers in importance. Interesting as it is that Cerberus becomes an antagonist in ME3, I think the real enemies should be the Reapers and Geth, not soldiers and mercs.

Now see, to me it wasn't that cerberus overshadowed the Reapers, but that the collectors did. Almost like they needed a bad guy and just completely invented one.  At least Cerberus was IN the previous game.

That was until I read this : forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php

And it allowed me to reason that the connections were there, they just weren't explicity present within the game.

And I'm all for suspending a tiny bit of reality to further the enjoyability of my gaming experience.

[Someone With Mass]

lawl913 wrote...

Cerberus is the best thing BW added to the ME universe.

Felt way more of a b/a working for them in ME2 rather than being you're typical savior hero working for the council in ME1. The reapers and Saren were/are cool and everything but theirs not much you can add to a villain with the "WERE GOING TO KILL ALL OF YOU JUST BECAUSE WE CAN ROFL!" mentality

The only people who should be complaining are the people who like Cerberus and are being forced to kill them in ME3

Cerberus could've been done a lot better. And without the whole "WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE CAN BECAUSE WE DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES ROFL" mentality.

[Sebby]

Someone With Mass wrote...

lawl913 wrote...

Cerberus is the best thing BW added to the ME universe.

Felt way more of a b/a working for them in ME2 rather than being you're typical savior hero working for the council in ME1. The reapers and Saren were/are cool and everything but theirs not much you can add to a villain with the "WERE GOING TO KILL ALL OF YOU JUST BECAUSE WE CAN ROFL!" mentality

The only people who should be complaining are the people who like Cerberus and are being forced to kill them in ME3

Cerberus could've been done a lot better. And without the whole "WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE CAN BECAUSE WE DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES ROFL" mentality.

Like the Spectres? :happy:

[Someone With Mass]

Seboist wrote...

Like the Spectres? :happy:

Yeah. So Cerberus are lame copycats.

[Ragnarok521]

Spectres weren't playing by the rules before it was cool.

[KevShep]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Cerberus could've been done a lot better. And without the whole "WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE CAN BECAUSE WE DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES ROFL" mentality.

We dont know what the motives surrounding cerberus are yet. Cerberus is still an unknown element in ME which means there is more going on with cerberus then we are aware of in reguards to the main plot.

[Barquiel]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Cerberus could've been done a lot better.

I agree. I think it's too easy to hate Cerberus (for me, at least). For example, they shouldn't always choose the most sadistic way to achieve their goals.

[Savber100]

LPPrince wrote...


I haaaaaaaate hate hate hate haaaaaaaate how Cerberus took so much attention away from the Reapers.

I wish Heretic Geth were the main force of who we faced. Along with a mixed bag of mercs, husks, cerberus agents, etc etc.

I mean, they could've still made Cerberus more important without having them take over the ENTIRE franchise.

Games, comics, books. For God's sake, I'll be surprised if the ME movie doesn't have a single cerberus reference in it.

But whatever, its part of the main storyline, no changing that. We just gotta deal with it and hope to God that in ME3, Cerberus is relegated to a side enemy rather than the main opposing force(40% is still way too much).

Mass Efffect is about humanity's role in the galaxy so why is it surprising that the foremost human supremacy group is involved in the plots of ME? 

If anything I feel that Cerberus' presence reminds us of the two central things that have always plagued humanity. 

The external dangers we face and our own nature. 

Having 100% Reapers will be like just having the darkspawn and the Archdemon without Loghain and Arl Howe in DA:O. To me, those characters were more interesting and engaging than the main enemies. Besides Cerberus IS relegated to a side enemy as they're only 40% of the in-game enemies as you said yourself. 

[LPPrince]

Loghain and Arl Howe weren't shoved down our throats.

[marshalleck]

LPPrince wrote...

Loghain and Arl Howe weren't shoved down our throats.

You're right, both were totally optional antagonists for wardens and human noble wardens respectively. 

No wait, that's not right. Not right at all.

Modifié par marshalleck, 07 août 2011 - 08:56 .

[LPPrince]

marshalleck wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Loghain and Arl Howe weren't shoved down our throats.

You're right, both were totally optional antagonists for wardens and human noble wardens respectively. 

No wait, that's not right. Not right at all.

What kind of logic is that? Its comparing two characters who have barely any screen time in their respective game to a group of characters who were barely in one game(ME1), dominated another(ME2), and have dominated comics and novels.

I'm not saying I hate the games or anything, far from it. I just think Cerberus shouldn't of been such a huge focus.

[SandTrout]

LPPrince wrote...

Loghain and Arl Howe weren't shoved down our throats.

I'm going to go ahead and assume that this was sarcasm.

[marshalleck]

LPPrince wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Loghain and Arl Howe weren't shoved down our throats.

You're right, both were totally optional antagonists for wardens and human noble wardens respectively. 

No wait, that's not right. Not right at all.

What kind of logic is that? Its comparing two characters who have barely any screen time in their respective game to a group of characters who were barely in one game(ME1), dominated another(ME2), and have dominated comics and novels.

I'm not saying I hate the games or anything, far from it. I just think Cerberus shouldn't of been such a huge focus.

Savber100's reason for mentioning them obviously sailed clear over your head. 

It had nothing to do with screentime. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 07 août 2011 - 09:00 .

[LPPrince]

SandTrout wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Loghain and Arl Howe weren't shoved down our throats.

I'm going to go ahead and assume that this was sarcasm.

Nope. Go ahead and slam me for it, but no sarcasm at all.

[SandTrout]

LPPrince wrote...

What kind of logic is that? Its comparing two characters who have barely any screen time in their respective game to a group of characters who were barely in one game(ME1), dominated another(ME2), and have dominated comics and novels.

I'm not saying I hate the games or anything, far from it. I just think Cerberus shouldn't of been such a huge focus.

Arl Howe and Loghain's mechanizations caused you far more trouble in DA:O than any other antagonists, darkspawn included.