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[LPPrince]

marshalleck wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Loghain and Arl Howe weren't shoved down our throats.

You're right, both were totally optional antagonists for wardens and human noble wardens respectively. 

No wait, that's not right. Not right at all.

What kind of logic is that? Its comparing two characters who have barely any screen time in their respective game to a group of characters who were barely in one game(ME1), dominated another(ME2), and have dominated comics and novels.

I'm not saying I hate the games or anything, far from it. I just think Cerberus shouldn't of been such a huge focus.

Savber100's reason for mentioning them obviously sailed clear over your head. 

Nah, I get the original meaning. They were interesting characters. Cerberus=interesting, Reapers=Grand threat that's not so interesting.

My point though is that these two interesting characters were barely used while Cerberus is thrust EVERYWHERE.

So even IF Cerberus is more interesting, having it take over 90% of everything(random percentage, just go with it) is crazy.

Too much of a good thing is a bad thing.

[TobyHasEyes]

Seboist wrote...

There's also Cerberus aiding Jacob in "ME: Galaxy" to stop a Batarian plot to release a bio-weapon on the citadel. That's another one that gets overlooked.

 If I found out the KKK had donated money to whites-only charities, had helped stop a Cuban invasion of the US because they saw it as an attack on white America, and had a division of street gangs who hung around streets to make sure no white kids got mugged, raped or murdered.. I'd still not like the KKK

[marshalleck]

SandTrout wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

What kind of logic is that? Its comparing two characters who have barely any screen time in their respective game to a group of characters who were barely in one game(ME1), dominated another(ME2), and have dominated comics and novels.

I'm not saying I hate the games or anything, far from it. I just think Cerberus shouldn't of been such a huge focus.

Arl Howe and Loghain's mechanizations caused you far more trouble in DA:O than any other antagonists, darkspawn included.

And, as Savber100 was alluding to by referring to them, both characters presented a conflict born of the darker sides of human nature.

[marshalleck]

LPPrince wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Loghain and Arl Howe weren't shoved down our throats.

You're right, both were totally optional antagonists for wardens and human noble wardens respectively. 

No wait, that's not right. Not right at all.

What kind of logic is that? Its comparing two characters who have barely any screen time in their respective game to a group of characters who were barely in one game(ME1), dominated another(ME2), and have dominated comics and novels.

I'm not saying I hate the games or anything, far from it. I just think Cerberus shouldn't of been such a huge focus.

Savber100's reason for mentioning them obviously sailed clear over your head. 

Nah, I get the original meaning. They were interesting characters. Cerberus=interesting, Reapers=Grand threat that's not so interesting.

My point though is that these two interesting characters were barely used while Cerberus is thrust EVERYWHERE.

So even IF Cerberus is more interesting, having it take over 90% of everything(random percentage, just go with it) is crazy.

Too much of a good thing is a bad thing.

I don't think you get the meaning. See my immediately previous post.

[Praetor Knight]

LPPrince wrote...

Loghain and Arl Howe weren't shoved down our throats.

So, how can we completely ignore them in DA:O?


Nevertheless, I could see how they could relate to ME2, I just never thought of comparing them to what we see in the ME universe.

[LPPrince]

By the way, before anyone gets up in arms or anything, no one's trying to be angry or mean to one another. We're just chattin it up.

[LPPrince]

marshalleck wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

What kind of logic is that? Its comparing two characters who have barely any screen time in their respective game to a group of characters who were barely in one game(ME1), dominated another(ME2), and have dominated comics and novels.

I'm not saying I hate the games or anything, far from it. I just think Cerberus shouldn't of been such a huge focus.

Arl Howe and Loghain's mechanizations caused you far more trouble in DA:O than any other antagonists, darkspawn included.

And, as Savber100 was alluding to by referring to them, both characters presented a conflict born of the darker sides of human nature.

Hmm, in that case I misinterpreted. Carry on.

[nikki191]

ill be glad to exterminate cerberus if only so i dont keep getting calls to investigate bases that have experiments gone wrong

my shepard "HOW DO YOU PEOPLE KEEP FINDING MY NUMBER !!!!!"

Modifié par nikki191, 07 août 2011 - 12:43 .

[lovgreno]

Barquiel wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Cerberus could've been done a lot better.

I agree. I think it's too easy to hate Cerberus (for me, at least). For example, they shouldn't always choose the most sadistic way to achieve their goals.

True. Cerberus have a bit too much clumsy cartoon villain style. I don't think that was actualy intended by the writers though. My guess is that the writers wanted to create the idealist that turned to more harming than helping due to their blind idealism. Wich could have made a quite good story. Let's see what the writers can do with them in ME3, hopefully the writers can come up with something good.

[Legion64]

I miss fighting Geth.

[vonBlitzkrieg]

Granted I have not read any ME books, but I like Cerberus/TIM. Also, I have never felt as though fighting Cerberus (or any other enemy) is more important than fighting the Reapers.

[Lotion Soronarr]

TobyHasEyes wrote...

Seboist wrote...

There's also Cerberus aiding Jacob in "ME: Galaxy" to stop a Batarian plot to release a bio-weapon on the citadel. That's another one that gets overlooked.

 If I found out the KKK had donated money to whites-only charities, had helped stop a Cuban invasion of the US because they saw it as an attack on white America, and had a division of street gangs who hung around streets to make sure no white kids got mugged, raped or murdered.. I'd still not like the KKK

How do you know that's the reason they saved the Citadel?

I certanly wouldn't complain if they decided to protect white kids... or black kids..or whomever.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 07 août 2011 - 07:06 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

TobyHasEyes wrote...

Seboist wrote...

There's also Cerberus aiding Jacob in "ME: Galaxy" to stop a Batarian plot to release a bio-weapon on the citadel. That's another one that gets overlooked.

 If I found out the KKK had donated money to whites-only charities, had helped stop a Cuban invasion of the US because they saw it as an attack on white America, and had a division of street gangs who hung around streets to make sure no white kids got mugged, raped or murdered.. I'd still not like the KKK

How do you know that's the reason they saved the Citadel?

I certanly wouldn't complain if they decided to protect white kids... or black kids..or whomever.

What?
I figure they saved it cause thats like,the parliement building if TIMmy wants human dominance he needs to dominate the Citadel.He isn't an idiot.


....Just incompotent.

[TobyHasEyes]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

TobyHasEyes wrote...

Seboist wrote...

There's also Cerberus aiding Jacob in "ME: Galaxy" to stop a Batarian plot to release a bio-weapon on the citadel. That's another one that gets overlooked.

 If I found out the KKK had donated money to whites-only charities, had helped stop a Cuban invasion of the US because they saw it as an attack on white America, and had a division of street gangs who hung around streets to make sure no white kids got mugged, raped or murdered.. I'd still not like the KKK

How do you know that's the reason they saved the Citadel?

I certanly wouldn't complain if they decided to protect white kids... or black kids..or whomever.

 I am not stating that they as an organisation want the other races dead, or relish hurting them, but seeing as their ultimate aim is human dominance over the alien races (and all their actions push for that end) then unless that was a unique action then it makes sense to interpret that as the motive
  They would stop it if
 - it harmed humanity's position and future in the galaxy, or
 - it harmed the chances of stopping a Reaper invasion

 And lets be straight, isn't Cerberus opposition to the Reaper invasion purely human-centric? Would Cerberus be fighting the Reapers if it could be guaranteed they would only harm the other races? If we do conclude that is their overall focus then yeh I don't see anything wrong in interpreting that as the reason they got involved in ME: Galaxy

 I wouldn't be complaining that the KKK had been potecting white kids per se, but it wouldn't make me like them as an organisation as it would mean that they would refuse to get involved if the victim wasn't white.. which is reall messed up

[lawl913]

Legion64 wrote...

I miss fighting Geth.

How? They're the most overused cliche villain who are actually the victims in all of ME. We fought them majority of the game in ME2 and they weren't even the bad guys.


Unless your being sarcastic if thats the case then touche.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

lawl913 wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

I miss fighting Geth.

How? They're the most overused cliche villain who are actually the victims in all of ME. We fought them majority of the game in ME2 and they weren't even the bad guys.


Unless your being sarcastic if thats the case then touche.

I'm not trying to start something,how are Geth cliche?

[ThePwener]

I agree. Cerberus has more focus then it deserves. Stop milking them BW. Jeez....

[Sebby]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

lawl913 wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

I miss fighting Geth.

How? They're the most overused cliche villain who are actually the victims in all of ME. We fought them majority of the game in ME2 and they weren't even the bad guys.


Unless your being sarcastic if thats the case then touche.

I'm not trying to start something,how are Geth cliche?

Pre-Legion interaction the Geth were just the archetypical "robots who rebelled against their orgnanic masters". They weren't all that remarkable in ME1.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Seboist wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

lawl913 wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

I miss fighting Geth.

How? They're the most overused cliche villain who are actually the victims in all of ME. We fought them majority of the game in ME2 and they weren't even the bad guys.


Unless your being sarcastic if thats the case then touche.

I'm not trying to start something,how are Geth cliche?

Pre-Legion interaction the Geth were just the archetypical "robots who rebelled against their orgnanic masters". They weren't all that remarkable in ME1.

Ah,never played ME1 thanks for clearing that up.

[Sebby]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

lawl913 wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

I miss fighting Geth.

How? They're the most overused cliche villain who are actually the victims in all of ME. We fought them majority of the game in ME2 and they weren't even the bad guys.


Unless your being sarcastic if thats the case then touche.

I'm not trying to start something,how are Geth cliche?

Pre-Legion interaction the Geth were just the archetypical "robots who rebelled against their orgnanic masters". They weren't all that remarkable in ME1.

Ah,never played ME1 thanks for clearing that up.

You should!

[ThePwener]

Seboist wrote...

Pre-Legion interaction the Geth were just the archetypical "robots who rebelled against their orgnanic masters". They weren't all that remarkable in ME1.

What? No they're not, even if it says here that they are.

[ThePwener]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Ah,never played ME1 thanks for clearing that up.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Well,I get the just of the game.
It's the little things that need clearing up.

I read the games I don't play.

[Sisterofshane]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Well,I get the just of the game.
It's the little things that need clearing up.

I read the games I don't play.

I too played ME2 before ME.  Had seen my husband play it years before (when we were first married) and all I remembered about it was him being frustrated at the final battle because he had modded the game for "god-mode" to finish the story more quickly, but as a result couldn't beat Skelo-Saren because the mod also caused his weapons to overheat in one shot and never cool off again.  Funny as heck!

Back to my point, though, you would be really surprised in the differences in playthroughs between just playing a new Shep in ME2 and importing a save.  Wasn't too drastic, but you are missing out on some fun things!

And you would probably get a better sense as to why some people feel Cerberus hijacked the game.  They were almost an afterthought in ME, and you could miss them completely if you didn't talk to Kahoku or finish any of the sidequests.  Now they are in everything, all the books, the new games, and the comics.

I still think they are pertinent to the story, though.

[ThePwener]

In reality they're just being abused by BW. They're a scapegoat by now. Darn it BW, you better make up for it for us Cerberus fans.