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[Shepard the Leper]

charmingcharlie wrote...

I don't expect a game to be "perfect" but I do expect a company to make a reasonable effort to correct blatant flaws in their game and not just ignore them which seems to be how Bioware does things.

Seconded.

There are always glitches, but it doesn't make sense to not patch them asap. There is stuff in both ME1 and 2 that could easily be fixed, but Bioware simply refuses or doesn't care at all - that's what bothers me the most. We are all human, are not perfect and we all make mistakes. The good guys learn from their mistakes and try to correct them, the baddies don't give a sh-t or deny making mistakes in the first place. Let's hope Bioware is among the good guys with ME3.

[lovgreno]

Shepard the Leper wrote...

RandomCanadianGuy wrote...

I'm going to enjoy it no matter what, because I've decided I will. You can always find the good things if you look for them.

The gamer's placebo effect

Some prefer the opposite of placebo, nocebo, and tries to force it on everyone else just to prove to themselves that they are smarter than everyone else. If we want to enjoy the game, well life in general actualy, we need to learn to ignore them.

[Vilma]

lovgreno wrote...

Shepard the Leper wrote...

RandomCanadianGuy wrote...

I'm going to enjoy it no matter what, because I've decided I will. You can always find the good things if you look for them.

The gamer's placebo effect

Some prefer the opposite of placebo, nocebo, and tries to force it on everyone else just to prove to themselves that they are smarter than everyone else. If we want to enjoy the game, well life in general actualy, we need to learn to ignore them.

Personally, I buy games for enjoyment. Of course I then do my best to enjoy them.

If you buy games to biatch on BSN, you have too much money.

Modifié par Vilma, 06 août 2011 - 02:07 .

[charmingcharlie]

Vilma wrote...
Personally, I buy games for enjoyment. Of course I then do my best to enjoy them.

If you buy games to biatch on BSN, you have too much money.

Why do people say rubbish like this ?  I think you would it would be pretty hard to find someone that went out and bought the game with the express purpose of being able to about tl "****" about the game on BSN.  Now sure they may buy the game and find problems with it and then come here and "****" about it but that is to be expected.

I love Mass Effect 1 and 2 it is a fantastic game but I am not blinded into thinking there is absolutely nothing wrong with the games.  Even on the technical side there are issues with Mass Effect 2 (on the PC at least) that should never have happened (they didn't happen on the console version) or that should have been fixed but Bioware could never be bothered too.  So yeah I think people should come here and "****" about issues with the game.

By complaining about the issues we are seeking to make Mass Effect better.  However ignoring the issues and just going "oh well I play games for enjoyment not so I can come here and "****" about it" is not helping the franchise one little bit.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Phaedon wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...
Mesina2 likes this.

Let me guess.


You don't?

No, that's one of your posts i actually do agree with.

I just saw that Mesina 2 liked your post, so i just wanted to make sure you were aware of this fact.

[Shepard the Leper]

Critisism is - assuming it's constructive - good.

I also like to recommend my favorite game reviewer, he's not very nice about the game he reviews but he puts the finger on the right spot - time and time again. Warning - not recommended for fanboys

http://www.escapistm...ero-punctuation

[Whatever42]

No! ME3 will fix all that is wrong with my life! It will rescue me from a shallow, meaningless existence and elevate me to Nirvana!

Yes, people need to keep their expectations in check. A few of those who have had unrealistic expectations about a game have become raging haters and its sad to see.

Actually, I don't think there are that many of those on BSN. Just a handful. Most of us just come to BSN to argue because we like to argue.

[Phaedon]

Shepard the Leper wrote...

Critisism is - assuming it's constructive - good.

I also like to recommend my favorite game reviewer, he's not very nice about the game he reviews but he puts the finger on the right spot - time and time again. Warning - not recommended for fanboys

http://www.escapistm...ero-punctuation

His review of ME2 is spot on.

His videos are not really reviews, just pointing out the flaws of the games and mixing them with puns, but still, spot on.

[lovgreno]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

No! ME3 will fix all that is wrong with my life! It will rescue me from a shallow, meaningless existence and elevate me to Nirvana!

Yes, people need to keep their expectations in check. A few of those who have had unrealistic expectations about a game have become raging haters and its sad to see.

Actually, I don't think there are that many of those on BSN. Just a handful. Most of us just come to BSN to argue because we like to argue.

I think you are right there. So sadly I can't argue against you this time, even if it would be fun.

[Pulletlamer]

There's no such thing as a perfect game.

Ah yes, the "perfect game" a game that allegedly has no flaws and everyone can enjoy. We have dismissed that claim.

[Phaedon]

jreezy wrote...
That review was harsh but he definitely had some good points. I missed the planet exporation of ME1.

Harsh? Not in comparison to other reviews.

He actually mentioned positive points about the game. 

[BatmanPWNS]

ME3 will be the best ME game IMO, just like ME2 beat ME1 despite the fans thinking it was a screw up, but it won't be perfect because well nothing is perfect.

[PoSpoon]

Savber100 wrote...

Coming to think of it, I also didn't even experience any bugs while playing Fallout: New Vegas. I guess I'm one lucky bastard. 

Thats not true. IT CANT BE.

Mass Effect 2 has crashed on me exactly once. Ive had a few other minor glitches (nit including the Charge) but I definitely wouldnt call it "Loaded with glitches".

[Vilma]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Why do people say rubbish like this ?  I think you would it would be pretty hard to find someone that went out and bought the game with the express purpose of being able to about tl "****" about the game on BSN.  Now sure they may buy the game and find problems with it and then come here and "****" about it but that is to be expected.

I love Mass Effect 1 and 2 it is a fantastic game but I am not blinded into thinking there is absolutely nothing wrong with the games.  Even on the technical side there are issues with Mass Effect 2 (on the PC at least) that should never have happened (they didn't happen on the console version) or that should have been fixed but Bioware could never be bothered too.  So yeah I think people should come here and "****" about issues with the game.

By complaining about the issues we are seeking to make Mass Effect better.  However ignoring the issues and just going "oh well I play games for enjoyment not so I can come here and "****" about it" is not helping the franchise one little bit.

You, my friend, fail to understand the difference between constructive criticism and the *-word.

Sure, pointing out flaws may in some cases lead to better games in the future, but with my relatively brief experience with the BSN forums, it seems that quite a few (maybe just a few, but definitely loudest) enjoy writing walls of text about the tiniest issues, that could very well be 'overlooked' - at least they don't specifically affect the gaming experience. Ad then twenty other people come and say the same thing. That doesn't really help the franchise either. We all know that there is a graphics bug in the Garrus loyality mission. I don't think yet another topic begging for a patch is going to make it happen. Several years after the game is out, we could probably slowly start accepting the fact that the patch is not coming and learn to live with it. Or we can continue constructive criticism. Or we can b*tch.

That's why people say rubbish like that.

On another note, has anyone ever played, or seen, a 'perfect' (in the context of a topic) game?

Modifié par Vilma, 06 août 2011 - 04:06 .

[charmingcharlie]

Vilma wrote...You, my friend, fail to understand the difference between constructive criticism and the *-word.

I know the difference between constructive criticism and "****ing" I also know that "****ing" starts happening when companies totally ignore constructive criticism as Bioware have done and continue to do.

Vilma wrote... enjoy writing walls of text about the tiniest issues, that could very well be 'overlooked' - at least they don't specifically affect the gaming experience. Ad then twenty other people come and say the same thing. That doesn't really help the franchise either.

Just because something does not affect YOUR gaming experience doesn't mean it does not affect other people's gaming experience.  If you then get 20 people coming in agreeing with the complainer I would say that adds weight to it and that it is an issue that Bioware needs to address and thus does help the franchise.

Vilma wrote... We all know that there is a graphics bug in the Garrus loyality mission. I don't think yet another topic begging for a patch is going to make it happen. Several years after the game is out, we could probably slowly start accepting the fact that the patch is not coming and learn to live with it. Or we can continue constructive criticism. Or we can b*tch.

No continually reminding Bioware about the Garrus Loyalty Bug won't bring about a patch for it.  That isn't the point of mentioning it though.  By highlighting to Bioware that we have not forgotten stuff like the Loyalty bug might ensure they spend a bit of time ensuring something as sloppy as that doesn't happen in ME 3.  I am sure Bioware would be quite happy if we forgot all about some of the substandard work on the PC version as you seem to be suggesting.

[Travie]

No, ME3 will be perfect in every way.

Nothing to see here, move along.

[Xewaka]

jreezy wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...
If ME3 has SS romance, oh boy. I'll fire up KotoR and kill Carth FOR NO APPARENT REASON.
Don't test me Bioware! I'll do it!

...
ME 1 and 2 already had same sex romance. Or does lesbian not count?

Technically there isn't even a lesbian romance in Mass Effect.

Originally it was in ME 1, then they backpedaled horribly to avoid supposed backlash (which wasn't a smart move). In ME 2, despite not getting an achievement for it, Kelly flirting counts.

[The Interloper]

Good, but not perfect? No way! It's not like the other two games have been that way....

Speaking of glitches, I seem to be getting more and more each time I replay ME1. Once I went off the ship onto noveria, but was still in my ship shirt without weapons (I could still fire them, they were just invisible) and the camera wouldn't move.

[Undertone]

Half-Life 1 and 2, Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines (insanely glitchy without patches but god this is pure gaming extasy). Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2 (second part glitchy and ending cut but still). Just a few games that are utter brilliance...

Mass Effect 1 and Fallout 3 were the first games that ever made me wow since then and marvel disregarding entirely I ****ing existed beyond the pc/screen. ME2 while a good game never reached that level and not because it is a sequel. I expect the same from ME3.

Maybe I'm getting old and cynical but I doubt I'm going to get the same wow effect as I had in ME1. But the positive part of me hopes to be pleasantly surprised and my faith in Bioware restored.

Oh yeah I forgot Dragon Age - amazing game. Dragon Age 2 - amazingly atrocious sequel.

[James2912]

 Admiral Cheez is completely right as always. She WILL MAKE cooler heads prevail even if she has to crack a few skulls! 

[James2912]

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I love this man! I'm straight but if he was still alive I'd go gay in a heartbeat.:wub::wub::wub: 

[AtreiyaN7]

King Minos wrote...

I always get a husk or some enemy stuck in a wall and the only way to carry on is to mill everyone and because of some enemy stuck in a wall, I have to restart, I'm not being negative but I hope multiplayer fails and affects the campaign just so bioware gets punished.

My positivity cup runneth over after reading this. It's just SO bloody positive. *snark*