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[Han Shot First]

Vicex wrote...

How hard can it really be for people to wait until the game comes out to judge it, rather than making baseless assumptions on material that they have seen/heard that is still subject to change?

This.

In the good ol' days before ME2 was released I remember quite a few doom & gloom threads, and I thought that game was better than Mass Effect 1 in some areas. Metacritic apparently agrees

[Maggot4everr]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Pardon me while I make a thread to state the obvious, but seriously, think about all the sh*t that was wrong with the past two games:

The original Mass Effect was loaded with glitches, had several moments that were ungodly boring and repetitive, highly imperfect combat, bouts of superbly derpy writing/acting, and all sorts of other things wrong with it (and even more that was subject to personal taste), but was still a great game that was loads of fun to play (for most people).

Mass Effect 2 was loaded with glitches, had several moments that were ungodly boring and repetitive, highly imperfect combat, bouts of superbly derpy writing/acting, and all sorts of other things wrong with it (and even more that was subject to personal taste), but was still a great game that was loads of fun to play (for most people).

So, following the pattern, Mass Effect 3 will have an assload of glitches to deal with, moments of tedium and frustration equivalent to planet scanning and getting the Mako stuck in a canyon, combat that (while occasionally fun) isn't as great as it's cracked up to be, conversations, plotlines, and perhaps entire characters that make you wonder what the hell the writers were thinking, and tons of features many players will worship that you absolutely can't stand.

But it should still be a great game that is loads of fun to play.  For most people, anyway.  Personally, I'm hoping it will be the best in the series, but I'm not going to expect God on Two Discs.  That would be silly.  Conversely, I highly doubt that my gaming experience is going to be ruined by Barbie Shepard, abundant mansex, or teh ebul multiplayer (if it exists).

In fact, I kind of look forward to the mansex and find Barbie Shepard to be quite tolerable.

So don't get your hopes up (because parts of it WILL suck), and don't act like you know EVERYTHING is going to suck even though we've got seven solid months until the damn thing ships (because we simply don't have enough information to make that sort of call).

Besides, what do you have to lose?  $80 and your free time?  And what more is there to gain than an enjoyable and "emotionally engaging" romp in some alternate universe that you, through your Shepard, helped create?

This is just a friendly reminder, to myself as well as you people.

TL;DR: Herp derp Cheez tells the BSN to relax lulz.

See you at launch.

[Il Divo]

Is there such thing as the perfect game? I myself have never played one.

[DaringMoosejaw]

Il Divo wrote...

Is there such thing as the perfect game? I myself have never played one.

Tic-tac-toe.

[Rekkampum]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Pardon me while I make a thread to state the obvious, but seriously, think about all the sh*t that was wrong with the past two games:

The original Mass Effect was loaded with glitches, had several moments that were ungodly boring and repetitive, highly imperfect combat, bouts of superbly derpy writing/acting, and all sorts of other things wrong with it (and even more that was subject to personal taste), but was still a great game that was loads of fun to play (for most people).

Mass Effect 2 was loaded with glitches, had several moments that were ungodly boring and repetitive, highly imperfect combat, bouts of superbly derpy writing/acting, and all sorts of other things wrong with it (and even more that was subject to personal taste), but was still a great game that was loads of fun to play (for most people).

So, following the pattern, Mass Effect 3 will have an assload of glitches to deal with, moments of tedium and frustration equivalent to planet scanning and getting the Mako stuck in a canyon, combat that (while occasionally fun) isn't as great as it's cracked up to be, conversations, plotlines, and perhaps entire characters that make you wonder what the hell the writers were thinking, and tons of features many players will worship that you absolutely can't stand.

But it should still be a great game that is loads of fun to play.  For most people, anyway.  Personally, I'm hoping it will be the best in the series, but I'm not going to expect God on Two Discs.  That would be silly.  Conversely, I highly doubt that my gaming experience is going to be ruined by Barbie Shepard, abundant mansex, or teh ebul multiplayer (if it exists).

In fact, I kind of look forward to the mansex and find Barbie Shepard to be quite tolerable.

So don't get your hopes up (because parts of it WILL suck), and don't act like you know EVERYTHING is going to suck even though we've got seven solid months until the damn thing ships (because we simply don't have enough information to make that sort of call).

Besides, what do you have to lose?  $80 and your free time?  And what more is there to gain than an enjoyable and "emotionally engaging" romp in some alternate universe that you, through your Shepard, helped create?

This is just a friendly reminder, to myself as well as you people.

TL;DR: Herp derp Cheez tells the BSN to relax lulz.

ME 2 had glitches - most of those came with considerable gameplay though- but nowhere near as bad as ME 1 did. Can I also say "NO texture popping!" and "accurate AI"? One particularly hilarious but frustrating glitch I run into on occasion is one where my character floats in the air and is unable to come back down. Another is one in which my character turns sideways while moving and even while shooting (getting hit or going into cover is a great way to fix this). Speaking of cover, that was my biggest gripe, since it tended to put me out of cover so often when I wasn't trying - which resulted in myself getting incinerated or blown to pieces plenty of times- but otherwise, the combat was top notch. The energy and sophistication of the fights were leagues ahead.

The acting was great imho. Sure in the first, and to some extent - though less- in the second the NPC voice overs were occasionally horrendous, but overall, it was great. 

Formally, I think that, since Norman says they have full reign since this is the last installment - alot of people are going to be wowed. We will see lot's of feet being sauteed in frying pans because of the number of people who will be putting them in their mouths, and plenty of indignant half admissions from folks too stubborn to admit they were wrong. I want to see them take more chances in 3, instead of playing it safe and sticking to rigid right/wrong paragon/renegade dichotomies, like more along the lines of Overlord.

Nice to see you up here, Cheez. Been busy doing those calibrations, I'm guessing?

[The Yummy Fur]

Is any game perfect?

[Il Divo]

Hmm, clearly I've been lax on my gaming. Tic-tac-toe is the only game listed that I've actually played.

[Gatt9]

Rekkampum wrote...
Formally, I think that, since Norman says they have full reign since this is the last installment - alot of people are going to be wowed. We will see lot's of feet being sauteed in frying pans because of the number of people who will be putting them in their mouths, and plenty of indignant half admissions from folks too stubborn to admit they were wrong. I want to see them take more chances in 3, instead of playing it safe and sticking to rigid right/wrong paragon/renegade dichotomies, like more along the lines of Overlord.

Nice to see you up here, Cheez. Been busy doing those calibrations, I'm guessing?

I actually think it's going to be the other way around.

EA didn't buy Bioware for their RPG's,  they bought them for Star Wars,  Bioware without star wars isn't worth nearly 800 million,  they never sold that many copies of any one title to justify a number that big.  As soon as EA took over,  there was a major shift in how the games were designed and presented.  EA's influence is very strong with Bioware products,  as evidenced by the big DAO developer leaving. 

Kinect...multiplayer...EA's still tinkering,  and it's not going to stop there,  EA will absolutely have dictated more "Refinements" to the gameplay as they required of ME2 and DA2.  Norman left halfway through,  so now there's a vision issue as well.  I strongly suspect the game will be the worst of the three.

Honestly,  EA took over and what resulted was a highly linear corridor run,  with no exploration,  everything in plain sight,  nearly identical "classes",  the removal of anything that even remotely threatened to be an RPG mechanic,  AI that's worse than what we had in 1996,  and plot holes so huge that a 5-year old would question them.

I'm really not sure why people are expecting this to be any better?

Modifié par Gatt9, 07 août 2011 - 03:07 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

I want to save ish and see him in ME3 but it isn't possible,I hope all this extra time they put into ME3 they make sure that bugs like that don't occur.

[Rockworm503]

Vicex wrote...

How hard can it really be for people to wait until the game comes out to judge it, rather than making baseless assumptions on material that they have seen/heard that is still subject to change?

Its all the rage to judge things LONG before they come out now.
On the offtopic section someone has already pegged Diablo 3 as the worst game ever made O_o
and people are already deciding Dark Knight Rises will suck because the one picture of Anne Hataway doesn't show her wearing cat ears....

I'm all for joining in on the fun so I'll just say it right now.

Mass Effect 4 will destroy humanity because it might have some multiplayer in it.

[Golden Owl]

RainyDayLover wrote...

I never encountered a single glitch in ME2...

My two most noticable glitches are the skull loading screen just before the face making...that one drives me mad...the whole game freezes up there about once every 3 tries and I have to start again and just hope it doesn't....thats the worst one.

The other is I quite often can not do Thane's RM until after I do Samara's RM....the car loading screen will freeze otherwise.

[Sebby]

If my femshep can't romance Zaeed or TIM in ME3 then it sure as hell isn't perfect.

[Rockworm503]

charmingcharlie wrote...

No game is perfect and Mass Effect 3 will not be perfect on release.  What I find more annoying is Bioware's utter refusal to actually FIX things that are broken.  The PC version of Mass Effect 2 has a horrible graphical glitch during Garrus's loyalty mission that they never fixed (if you game on the PC and say you don't have that glitch then prove it with a video).  It is pretty amateur of them to totally ignore horrible bugs like that.

I don't expect a game to be "perfect" but I do expect a company to make a reasonable effort to correct blatant flaws in their game and not just ignore them which seems to be how Bioware does things.

I never noticed anything like that in Garrus' mission.  I'm not going to download and install software just to prove it mostly because thats silly of you to expect me to and that I said I never noticed it.  I was playing today and just got his mission so I'll keep an eye out for it maybe I was too blind I dunno.

[Youknow]

Rockworm503 wrote...

charmingcharlie wrote...

No game is perfect and Mass Effect 3 will not be perfect on release.  What I find more annoying is Bioware's utter refusal to actually FIX things that are broken.  The PC version of Mass Effect 2 has a horrible graphical glitch during Garrus's loyalty mission that they never fixed (if you game on the PC and say you don't have that glitch then prove it with a video).  It is pretty amateur of them to totally ignore horrible bugs like that.

I don't expect a game to be "perfect" but I do expect a company to make a reasonable effort to correct blatant flaws in their game and not just ignore them which seems to be how Bioware does things.

I never noticed anything like that in Garrus' mission.  I'm not going to download and install software just to prove it mostly because thats silly of you to expect me to and that I said I never noticed it.  I was playing today and just got his mission so I'll keep an eye out for it maybe I was too blind I dunno.

I have no idea what he's talking about, and this coming from a person that glitched so badly that Jacob could shoot at Assault Rifle range while shooting through walls (and the AI was AWARE that it was able to), and Pulled a Geth that lifted Sheperd off the ground and I punched to death. This was just before Kasumi glitched into a wall and I tried to punch her and fell through the ground and died (I'm not lying, I literally fell through the ground into a dark void, and Sheperd screamed this weird scream that sounded like someone threw her underwater). 

[The Spamming Troll]

Seboist wrote...

If my femshep can't romance Zaeed or TIM in ME3 then it sure as hell isn't perfect.

your one hardcore vorcha.

[AlanC9]

Han Shot First wrote...
In the good ol' days before ME2 was released I remember quite a few doom & gloom threads, and I thought that game was better than Mass Effect 1 in some areas. Metacritic apparently agrees

But in fairness, the folks making the doom & gloom threads were right -- ME2 wasn't what they wanted. Sucks to be them, I guess.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Seboist wrote...

If my femshep can't romance Zaeed or TIM in ME3 then it sure as hell isn't perfect.

I agree. I mean, how can you not want the following?

[Geth_Prime]

I know this is an Admiral Cheez thread, so I'll likely be hunted down by half of BSN for this, but I don't really see the point in this. Is it a serious thread? Is it supposed to ignite discussion? It just seems like most of the topics I see on this forum are Mass Effect 3 reviews.

Obviously ME3 won't be "perfect", impossible to have a perfect game, but why assume that ME3 will have the same problems as ME1/2? Is it so that we'll be pleasantly surprised when it wins 200 GOTY awards?

I hope I'm not sounding like a dick here, I just don't agree with the OP.

[charmingcharlie]

Rockworm503 wrote...
I never noticed anything like that in Garrus' mission.  I'm not going to download and install software just to prove it mostly because thats silly of you to expect me to and that I said I never noticed it.  I was playing today and just got his mission so I'll keep an eye out for it maybe I was too blind I dunno.

If you play the PC version it is silly to say "you don't have the Garrus Loyalty Graphical bug" hence why I ask for proof if you are going to make a claim like that.  The PC version is missing a graphical asset in the Garrus LM which means the engine doesn't know what to draw, so it just does a lot of ghosting and blurring in the background.  You can see it here :-



It is most notable at 1:42 you can clearly see blurring, ghosting and it looks horrible.

It is NOT a "compatibility issue", it is not because a PC isn't powerful enough to run the game, it is not a Directx issue or a driver problem.  This bug happens on EVERY PC regardless of whether you have an AMD or Nvidia card.  So for any PC gamer to go "oh there were no bugs in Mass Effect 2" is wrong, there is a great stonking great big bug right their that Bioware never could be bothered to fix.