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[Soruve]

By far a voiced protagonist. I don't like having my character just stand there and have it implied that she said something. I especially like sarcastic Hawke I'd take that any day over a blank stare.

[Hemiriffic]

Well Silent Protagonists Have more Customization when making the Character, But Voiced Protagonists Have more feeling to them Overall I like Silent Protagonists Because of the Customization.

[Ineffable Igor]

Looking at the poll, it's split very evenly, there's only a 7 vote difference at the moment, in favor of a silent protagonist.

Personally, I prefer voiced. One of the big disappointments for me when I started Origins was that my character wasn't voiced. I sort of expected it after Mass Effect. My character seemed so lifeless in the game itself. I mean, sure you can customize as much as you want in your own head and I really do enjoy that aspect, but I also like to feel as if my character is really a part of the world they're in. It's why I've always been obsessively particular about name choice and appearance and stupid stuff like that. Having the character be such a blank is somewhat detrimental to immersion for me. I mean, even in KOTOR your character was doing idle facial animations during a conversation, but the Warden was forever stone faced, or all you got to see was the back of their head. I really sort of hated it. With a voiced protagonist I may not always like the voice, but I still find it far preferable to silent and emotionless.

[Barry Bathernak]

so far its
vo has 340
si has 345
but there both counted at 50% each.

[LordKinoda]

so far its
vo has 340
si has 345
but there both counted at 50% each.

Yeah, but 700 people is hardly a good sample size to determine a huge rift for one side or the other. A few days ago the voiced had more, then they were dead even, now a few more for silent. I don't go too much by polls, but based on what I've read in other reviews/message boards/blogs, I think it's safe to say that it's split down the middle if people were given the choice to have one or the other.

I'd also venture that there are a lot of people in the silent side who can tolerate the voiced character without too much fuss. Just like I dealt with the silent Warden. Still loved DAO, but it would of been all the sweeter had he been voiced.

[Lord Nikon 001]

My ultimate dream would be a voiced character with different race and voice choices.... ah... to dream.

[The_11thDoctor]

Love Voice PERIOD. Silent doesnt work in this day and age. If the VA is good, they will make you feel more like the character than if they left them in silence. Then there is the disconnect when something major happens and the character is just standing there silent and not reacting to the situation. Take Dead Space for an example. DS1 I was always wandering how Issac felt during the whole game being stuck in a maddening situation, but DS2 had him voiced and I got to hear some of his thoughts. It was amazing to hear him think what I was thinking and voice it. If done right like in that example, it adds immersion. DA2 and ME, ME with Shepard talking, I always loved it and with DA2, it was great to hear the accents and hear my character actually interacting with his party. Due to the VA for the female Hawke, I finally gave the female side a chance. I fell in love with her voice immediately and wanted to hear her talk, so I played her. Turns out I enjoyed playing her more due to her delivery of lines. The sexy walk on top of it also helped add icing to the cake. I didnt romance anyone since I was female, so that part was kind of locked off for me that run, but I still enjoyed it. I'm just too manly to go the boys love route even if I'm playing a female. So who knows, I might even play FemShep in ME3 now taht she has a cool design and she's a hot redhead, but Im actually not too sure about her voice actor... Now that she looks young and sexy, I dont think the VA can pull her off honestly and Im not sure if she's locked into her old performance...

[LordKinoda]

Due to the VA for the female Hawke, I finally gave the female side a chance. I fell in love with her voice immediately and wanted to hear her talk, so I played her. Turns out I enjoyed playing her more due to her delivery of lines.

Can't say I liked it, way too high pitched IMO. But it's really irrelevant in the end for me because I don't play female avatars. I'm a guy, I play guys for better role-play and immersion.

I didnt romance anyone since I was female, so that part was kind of locked off for me that run, but I still enjoyed it

Actually all the romancable companions are bisexual.

I might even play FemShep in ME3 now taht she has a cool design and she's a hot redhead, but Im actually not too sure about her voice actor... Now that she looks young and sexy, I dont think the VA can pull her off honestly and Im not sure if she's locked into her old performance...

You could make Shepard look pretty much anyway you want in both games. And don't tell me about limitations, there is enough flexibility to make good looking characters of both sexes. One has only to remember the "Shepard Pics" threads on the old ME boards, no doubt somebody started one here on BSN as well. And Shepard is what now ? 31 ? 32 ? S/he was never a teenager in the game or anything Shouldn't sound too green or young

That said, I'm not a huge fan of Jennifer as femshep either. I DID give her a shot despite my usual refusal and didn't make it past Eden Prime. I didn't like her tone or delivery. I absolutely LOVED her in KOTOR, but she doesn't do it for me in ME. Maybe the fact that I play male avatars exclusively also has something to do with why I don't like their voice actors, I don't know.

[Hello There]

Lord Nikon 001 wrote...

My ultimate dream would be a voiced character with different race and voice choices.... ah... to dream.

That wouldn't work, it'd be disconcerting because a voice belongs to a single defined character, it'd be bad hearing the same character voice coming out of a dwarf, and then a human in the next playthrough. This is why its hard to just change Shepherds' face look, let alone the race.

[Mister Fancy Pants]

Hello There wrote...

Lord Nikon 001 wrote...

My ultimate dream would be a voiced character with different race and voice choices.... ah... to dream.

That wouldn't work, it'd be disconcerting because a voice belongs to a single defined character, it'd be bad hearing the same character voice coming out of a dwarf, and then a human in the next playthrough. This is why its hard to just change Shepherds' face look, let alone the race.

I agree with that. Which ultimately means if there is a voiced protagonist we will never see racial choices again. Welcome to the world of DA3. Maybe we'll all be stuck playing dwarves for the next game.

[Tommy6860]

LordKinoda wrote...

Due to the VA for the female Hawke, I finally gave the female side a chance. I fell in love with her voice immediately and wanted to hear her talk, so I played her. Turns out I enjoyed playing her more due to her delivery of lines.

Can't say I liked it, way too high pitched IMO. But it's really irrelevant in the end for me because I don't play female avatars. I'm a guy, I play guys for better role-play and immersion.

Playing a guy doesn't indicate that the RP and immersion experience is better, it is only better for you <_<.
Don't know about you, but that comment jsut didn't come across right.

That said, I'm not a huge fan of Jennifer as femshep either. I DID give her a shot despite my usual refusal and didn't make it past Eden Prime. I didn't like her tone or delivery. I absolutely LOVED her in KOTOR, but she doesn't do it for me in ME. Maybe the fact that I play male avatars exclusively also has something to do with why I don't like their voice actors, I don't know.

That's not the same thing, though you make it sound relevant. In ME, if you play a femShep, that means Jennifer is your PC's voice. In KoTOR, she was just the voice for Bastila Shan and the PC was silent anyway. Personally, I find it grating playing male characters, as that has been what seems normal across all genres, especially long ago. It is refreshing that even outside of RPGs today, one can chooose play either gender. I persoanlly, and nearly all of the time, play female characters.

Modifié par Tommy6860, 31 août 2011 - 11:18 .

[Oopsieoops]

LordKinoda wrote...

so far its
vo has 340
si has 345
but there both counted at 50% each.

Yeah, but 700 people is hardly a good sample size to determine a huge rift for one side or the other. A few days ago the voiced had more, then they were dead even, now a few more for silent. I don't go too much by polls, but based on what I've read in other reviews/message boards/blogs, I think it's safe to say that it's split down the middle if people were given the choice to have one or the other.

I'd also venture that there are a lot of people in the silent side who can tolerate the voiced character without too much fuss. Just like I dealt with the silent Warden. Still loved DAO, but it would of been all the sweeter had he been voiced.

That's a commom misconception, actually 700 is a perfectly adequate sample, specially considering it's a binary choice. In fact 500-1000 is the general rule of thumb for sample size for acuracy for even more complex estimates, anything more contributes just marginally unless there is some unusual problem. For the past month it never really fluctuated above the 2% range so it's pretty safe to say 50/50 is a reasonable estimate.
The only potential problem I can imagine in this is if this forum somehow contains a disproportional percentage of of people from either side compared to the total population, but I see no reason to think so.

[LordKinoda]

This is why its hard to just change Shepherds' face look, let alone the race.

Yeah, because each race of people has a distinctive tone or dialect unique only to it. /sarcasm

I've met huge guys with high voices, and a little lady with deeper husky toned voice. Scratchy, throaty, high, deep, bellowing, rasping. All those adjectives describe aspects for tones and sounds of voice, and I've heard them on all different kinds of people. That's why I think it's perfectly fine to believe that one voice could come out any number of looks. If you burn one look of a character to the voice actor that's YOUR mind's doing, not the game's.

Maybe we'll all be stuck playing dwarves for the next game

I never really got the feeling that dwarves are major players in the DA universe. Mostly background characters to add a little flavor. Humans are at the forefront of most conflicts and goings on of Thedas, with elves a small second.

That's not the same thing, though you make it sound relevant. In ME, if you play a femShep, that means Jennifer is your PC's voice. In KoTOR, she was just the voice for Bastila Shan and the PC was silent anyway.

Different that she isn't your character, but not her work in general. I thought she was good in KOTOR, didn't really like her performance in ME. Simple. Even though I didn't play past Eden Prime I have watcehd alot of videos to see comparisons between her and Meer. Just doesn't fit for me.

It is refreshing that even outside of RPGs today, one can chooose play either gender.

I'm never one to begrudge people options. It is good that both genders can be the hero if they choose to. Just like it would be agreeable to add an option to make the character silent like the Warden. But if one has to be chosen over the other ? Voiced everytime.

I persoanlly, and nearly all of the time, play female characters.

And you're a guy ? Interesting, but not totally unprecedented. A lot of guys play fem toons. Just don't pull out that played out homophobic "I play fem toons because I'd rather see a girl's butt than a guys for hours and hours" line. So silly.

The only potential problem I can imagine in this is if this forum somehow contains a disproportional percentage of of people from either side compared to the total population, but I see no reason to think so.

I'll be the first one to tell you I'm no statistician. However I still think it's low. Considering MILLIONS of people have played this game and DAO. And I'd wager not even half, or even a quarter, of the people who play the game actually visit this forum or voice their opinion about the game somewhere else. There could still be a great number of people who like one side as opposed to the other. But with ME's success...I'm more inclined to think that there are more for voiced.

[HanErlik]

Silent FTW.

Choosing a race and having a rich number of dialogue options are much more vital in a RPG than hearing your character's voice.

[Tommy6860]

Different that she isn't your character, but not her work in general. I thought she was good in KOTOR, didn't really like her performance in ME. Simple. Even though I didn't play past Eden Prime I have watcehd alot of videos to see comparisons between her and Meer. Just doesn't fit for me.

But that isn't how you stated it before,as you now differeniate why, just saying. I still disagree with your assessment simply based on her peformance as femShep. But the fact that you cannot play a femShep, for your own reasons, isn't welll explained why she's a bad VA for the role. IMO, I think it is simply because you cannot play a femShep and that's fine, but that thinking doesn't make Jen a bad VA.. I also think any other VA for femShep would likely have garnered the same thinking from you either way.

I'm never one to begrudge people options. It is good that both genders can be the hero if they choose to. Just like it would be agreeable to add an option to make the character silent like the Warden. But if one has to be chosen over the other ? Voiced everytime.

Wasn't part of the topic, but I disagree anyway, the SP is the best apporach, IMO.

And you're a guy ? Interesting, but not totally unprecedented. A lot of guys play fem toons. Just don't pull out that played out homophobic "I play fem toons because I'd rather see a girl's butt than a guys for hours and hours" line. So silly.

My being a male is inconsequential to your thinking, seriously. Since you seemingly expressed surprise to my gender, you tell a little about yourself here. And, I would never use any line like your example because I am some manly guy who plays fem-avatars while then having to procclaim my hetero-ness in why I do it. it really doesn't matter to me, it is just as simple as to what I like to play. If you get to know me in these forums, you'll find I am as far from being homophobic as one can possibly be.

Modifié par Tommy6860, 01 septembre 2011 - 02:18 .

[Tommy6860]

HanErlik wrote...

Silent FTW.

Choosing a race and having a rich number of dialogue options are much more vital in a RPG than hearing your character's voice.

This^
+10

[Maconbar]

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Modifié par Maconbar, 01 septembre 2011 - 02:30 .

[Oopsieoops]

LordKinoda wrote...
I'll be the first one to tell you I'm no statistician. However I still think it's low. Considering MILLIONS of people have played this game and DAO. And I'd wager not even half, or even a quarter, of the people who play the game actually visit this forum or voice their opinion about the game somewhere else. There could still be a great number of people who like one side as opposed to the other. But with ME's success...I'm more inclined to think that there are more for voiced.

That's the thing, the number of players could as well be billions and 700 would still be an adequate sample size. Literally the first thing they teach you in statistics is that the population/sample ratio is completely irrelevant. I'm simplifying but basically as long as the sample it's big enough (like I said 500-1000 is the rule of thumb) and each segment is proportionally represented the estimate will be acurate.
So unless you suspect the forums for some reason attract considerably more people on one side than of the other (thereby biasing the pool) there's no reason *not* to take this at face value.

[Maconbar]

Oopsieoops wrote...

LordKinoda wrote...
I'll be the first one to tell you I'm no statistician. However I still think it's low. Considering MILLIONS of people have played this game and DAO. And I'd wager not even half, or even a quarter, of the people who play the game actually visit this forum or voice their opinion about the game somewhere else. There could still be a great number of people who like one side as opposed to the other. But with ME's success...I'm more inclined to think that there are more for voiced.

That's the thing, the number of players could as well be billions and 700 would still be an adequate sample size. Literally the first thing they teach you in statistics is that the population/sample ratio is completely irrelevant. I'm simplifying but basically as long as the sample it's big enough (like I said 500-1000 is the rule of thumb) and each segment is proportionally represented the estimate will be acurate.
So unless you suspect the forums for some reason attract considerably more people on one side than of the other (thereby biasing the pool) there's no reason *not* to take this at face value.

I'm not sure that these forums are representative of anything.

[Zanallen]

HanErlik wrote...

Silent FTW.

Choosing a race and having a rich number of dialogue options are much more vital in a RPG than hearing your character's voice.

I would agree with you if race choice actually mattered in the long run, which it really didn't in DA:O. That being said, there isn't a real reason to think you couldn't have race choice and a voiced protagonist depending on how they handle the character backgrounds.

[D.Kain]

I would like to have a voiced character, but since I just KNOW that the majority of people would not like the voice that I would like I voted for the silent one, since I don't like the one the majority likes. =)

[UltiPup]

Voiced. I like to hear my character speak like a real person. With a voice, a personality is physically shown. In Origins, you were stuck in permanent derp face.

[Atakuma]

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Modifié par Atakuma, 01 septembre 2011 - 02:46 .

[Oopsieoops]

UltiPup wrote...

Voiced. I like to hear my character speak like a real person. With a voice, a personality is physically shown. In Origins, you were stuck in permanent derp face.

The problem is that that personality is fixed and with no input from you.

[D.Kain]

Oopsieoops wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

Voiced. I like to hear my character speak like a real person. With a voice, a personality is physically shown. In Origins, you were stuck in permanent derp face.

The problem is that that personality is fixed and with no input from you.

Maybe the solution would be to never show ones face during conversations, so that you could imagine ne mimics?