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[LordKinoda]

I also think the "voiced protagonist is the new way forward" argument is just wrong. It's about preference, there is nothing inherently progressive about adding the voiced protagonist

It's not progressive in the way that it's revolutionary or anything, but it definitely lets the character actually show and express emotion rather than you having to imagine it in your head. THAT can't be argued, because it's fact. So it's progressive in a way, but not "new way forward" type progressive.

BTW, it looks like with 1000 votes the silent voice is edging out ever so slightly, 51% to 49%

I still consider that an equal split. Was a few weeks ago that the voiced had the higher percentage. So what. If it was 70/30, 80/20, 90/10 then that'd be more significant.

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LordKinoda wrote...

I also think the "voiced protagonist is the new way forward" argument is just wrong. It's about preference, there is nothing inherently progressive about adding the voiced protagonist

It's not progressive in the way that it's revolutionary or anything, but it definitely lets the character actually show and express emotion rather than you having to imagine it in your head. THAT can't be argued, because it's fact. So it's progressive in a way, but not "new way forward" type progressive.

The problem is that you're still reffering to voiced as objectively better or more evolved, which is not true. That having voice allows the character to show emotion is a fact, but whether that's a good thing or not is an opinion. Having the character show emotion instead of you imagine it is only progress if you like it better, and the opposite if you don't. It's different than say DX11 over DX10 or HDR lighting over not having it. Having HDR lighting is objectively a progress, having voiced PCs isn't.

[filetemo]

I'd say "voiced, as long as it doesn't implies paragraphed dialogue wheels"

[Zoikster]

LordKinoda wrote...


I still consider that an equal split. Was a few weeks ago that the voiced had the higher percentage. So what. If it was 70/30, 80/20, 90/10 then that'd be more significant.

For sure it is. It's significant in the fact that the 1000 mark is statistically meaningful. You can read more into it at 1000 votes than at 250. But you're right it's pretty close. Though like any poll, if you get specific I'm sure those numbers change. If the question was to give you the choice of several starting origins and different races, versus a voiced protagonist, I suspect the numbers would be lower.

Modifié par Zoikster, 11 septembre 2011 - 11:06 .

[filetemo]

it's not a hard split, the forums contain yhe most hrdcore fans, so it should be 90 silent 10 voiced

if the hardcore rpg fans split like this, 99% of players will want voiced

[Zoikster]

filetemo wrote...

it's not a hard split, the forums contain yhe most hrdcore fans, so it should be 90 silent 10 voiced

if the hardcore rpg fans split like this, 99% of players will want voiced

I was thinking that too, but I didn't want to start any flame wars. I'd say 99% is a bit much but you have a point.

[Maconbar]

Zoikster wrote...

LordKinoda wrote...


I still consider that an equal split. Was a few weeks ago that the voiced had the higher percentage. So what. If it was 70/30, 80/20, 90/10 then that'd be more significant.

For sure it is. It's significant in the fact that the 1000 mark is statistically meaningful. You can read more into it at 1000 votes than at 250. But you're right it's pretty close. Though like any poll, if you get specific I'm sure those numbers change. If the question was to give you the choice of several starting origins and different races, versus a voiced protagonist, I suspect the numbers would be lower.

Only if we are talking about a representative, random sampling, which we aren't in all likelihood.

[Vicious]

Depends.

Open game, a la Oblivion, Morrowind, Fallout? Silent all the way.

Static RPG like every Bioware game since, well, KOTOR? Voice please.

Given the type of games Bioware creates, Voice just makes a lot more sense. They prefer the 'cinematic' approach, while other developers prefer a very different approach.


That said, as long as it's on the consoles, it's gonna be voiced.

[LordKinoda]

That having voice allows the character to show emotion is a fact, but whether that's a good thing or not is an opinion. Having the character show emotion instead of you imagine it is only progress if you like it better, and the opposite if you don't

Oh definitely. Didn't mean to imply otherwise.

Only that is IS a fact that emotion can actually be SHOWN and acted with the protagonist rather than imagine it. If you like to imagine it, great for you, go for it. I have a hugely active imagination myself, reason why I love to read I expect. But for a medium that is so visual, the voice is just superior to me. I can handle a silent character if I must, but the voice just kicks it up a notch.

That said, as long as it's on the consoles, it's gonna be voiced.

Don't see why it matters what system it runs on. It's ran on both consoles and PC since it's inception, same as pretty much every other BW game.

Modifié par LordKinoda, 13 septembre 2011 - 04:17 .

[Hello There]

filetemo wrote...

I'd say "voiced, as long as it doesn't implies paragraphed dialogue wheels"

The voice will always have a paraphrased dialogue wheel, because people do not want to hear what they've just read.

So then what you rather? Silent, with dialogue tree that allows for roleplaying capability, or voiced with streamlined dialogue wheel that you cannot role play?

[Cutlasskiwi]

Hello There wrote...

filetemo wrote...

I'd say "voiced, as long as it doesn't implies paragraphed dialogue wheels"

The voice will always have a paraphrased dialogue wheel, because people do not want to hear what they've just read.

So then what you rather? Silent, with dialogue tree that allows for roleplaying capability, or voiced with streamlined dialogue wheel that you cannot role play?

I pick voiced that I can roleplay. But I never had any problems with roleplaying in DA2.

[superomer12]

I want a silent, yet reactive player.

Dragon Age Origins was close to making that..

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superomer12 wrote...
I want a silent, yet reactive player.

Dragon Age Origins was close to making that..

Yeah, that was another example of BW throwing the baby away with the bathwater.

[AlexXIV]

A thousand people do not make a difference if you aim ... for example for 5 million sales. I highly doubt we will see any AAA game without fully voiced protagonist ever again.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

AlexXIV wrote...

A thousand people do not make a difference if you aim ... for example for 5 million sales. I highly doubt we will see any AAA game without fully voiced protagonist ever again.

Skyrim?

Just sayin'.

Also, I would imagine that any future Half Life games would count too.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 14 septembre 2011 - 04:23 .

[Chromie]

mrcrusty wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

A thousand people do not make a difference if you aim ... for example for 5 million sales. I highly doubt we will see any AAA game without fully voiced protagonist ever again.

Skyrim?

Just sayin'.

Also, I would imagine that any future Half Life games would count too.

Portal 1 and 2 even.

[AlexXIV]

Yeah ok, maybe I am a bit ahead. Let's say in a couple of years then.

Edit: And Half-Life is a shooter isn't it? I don't imagine you talk alot there anyway. I was of course talking about games in which there are alot of conversations such as RPGs.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 14 septembre 2011 - 05:04 .

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AlexXIV wrote...

A thousand people do not make a difference if you aim ... for example for 5 million sales. I highly doubt we will see any AAA game without fully voiced protagonist ever again.

This poll doesn't show just what 1000 people think, it shows what the whole fanbase thinks. That's the whole point of statistics.

[dsl08002]

The vioced character is awsome because then you feel more involved however in DA2 the ME wheel only allowed three kind of options for conversations, but if bioware could combine the vioced character with the Conversations options from DAO considering DAO alloweed 8 at maximum and all was different and then bioware has solved the character part regardin voiced and unvoiced

[Aradace]

 Here you go folks, I'll lay this to rest right now.  (Unless of course you continue to blindly believe otherwise).  I found a post by Mike Laidlaw himself directly saying that they will NOT be going back to silent protagonist.  So, here you go and enjoy.  (You'll be looking for Mike's second post on the page you are linked to around the middle of the page)

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/315/index/7475089/6

[San Diego Thief]

sad news to hear - especially as the poll shows half the fanbase would like a silent protagonist (at least as an option!)

[Aradace]

San Diego Thief wrote...

sad news to hear - especially as the poll shows half the fanbase would like a silent protagonist (at least as an option!)

I told you, I dont pull this stuff out of my arse lol.  The truth is much more enjoyable 

Edit: In fact, Im going to put that link in my sig for the next thread like this that pops up 

Modifié par Aradace, 15 septembre 2011 - 03:45 .

[speedboost1]

 I like a silent protagonist better. You get more into the story

[Wompoo]

Voiced as I am so over silent movies (or games) it isn't funny. Silence adds nothing to games except for a fish faced (stunned mullet) look on a PC that is jarring.

Standard internet disclaimer, imo.