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[Oopsieoops]

Aradace wrote...

 Here you go folks, I'll lay this to rest right now.  (Unless of course you continue to blindly believe otherwise).  I found a post by Mike Laidlaw himself directly saying that they will NOT be going back to silent protagonist.  So, here you go and enjoy.  (You'll be looking for Mike's second post on the page you are linked to around the middle of the page)

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/315/index/7475089/6

That's nothing new, I'm pretty sure nearly everybody knows about that by now as there were many threads commenting that post the moment it came out. The purpose of this poll isn't to petition anything, it's to see if voiced PC is really as popular as many make it out to be.

Modifié par Oopsieoops, 16 septembre 2011 - 02:45 .

[Ylvena]

I do not mind voiced character, but prefer silent. It is better for roleplaying imo.

[Aradace]

Oopsieoops wrote...

Aradace wrote...

 Here you go folks, I'll lay this to rest right now.  (Unless of course you continue to blindly believe otherwise).  I found a post by Mike Laidlaw himself directly saying that they will NOT be going back to silent protagonist.  So, here you go and enjoy.  (You'll be looking for Mike's second post on the page you are linked to around the middle of the page)

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/315/index/7475089/6

That's nothing new, I'm pretty sure nearly everybody knows about that by now as there were many threads commenting that post the moment it came out. The purpose of this poll isn't to petition anything, it's to see if voiced PC is really as popular as many make it out to be.

really? because perhaps someone should go back a few pages and let the folks know who are still delusional that they might get a silent protag back that this is what the purpose of this thread is.  They know who they are 

[IndigoWolfe]

There are a certain number of specific conditions under which I think a silent protagonist is acceptable.

1 - The game is from a first person perspective.

2 - The rest of the characters do not have dialogue themselves

Now, for a game played exclusively from a third person perspective with in-depth voicing for every single character in the game except for the protagonist leaves a gaping hole in any conversation's flow.

A third person perspective already creates divorcement between myself and the character I have made, a voice doesn't really affect things that much. From a first person perspective, it would be strange to have the protagonist be voiced, because you're actually in the character's shoes. In a third person game, the only use of seeing a silent protagonist in a conversation is either for vanity reasons or seeing them not talking.

[KLUME777]

Aradace wrote...

Oopsieoops wrote...

Aradace wrote...

 Here you go folks, I'll lay this to rest right now.  (Unless of course you continue to blindly believe otherwise).  I found a post by Mike Laidlaw himself directly saying that they will NOT be going back to silent protagonist.  So, here you go and enjoy.  (You'll be looking for Mike's second post on the page you are linked to around the middle of the page)

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/315/index/7475089/6

That's nothing new, I'm pretty sure nearly everybody knows about that by now as there were many threads commenting that post the moment it came out. The purpose of this poll isn't to petition anything, it's to see if voiced PC is really as popular as many make it out to be.

really? because perhaps someone should go back a few pages and let the folks know who are still delusional that they might get a silent protag back that this is what the purpose of this thread is.  They know who they are 

Oh, you.

[Aradace]

KLUME777 wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Oopsieoops wrote...

Aradace wrote...

 Here you go folks, I'll lay this to rest right now.  (Unless of course you continue to blindly believe otherwise).  I found a post by Mike Laidlaw himself directly saying that they will NOT be going back to silent protagonist.  So, here you go and enjoy.  (You'll be looking for Mike's second post on the page you are linked to around the middle of the page)

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/315/index/7475089/6

That's nothing new, I'm pretty sure nearly everybody knows about that by now as there were many threads commenting that post the moment it came out. The purpose of this poll isn't to petition anything, it's to see if voiced PC is really as popular as many make it out to be.

really? because perhaps someone should go back a few pages and let the folks know who are still delusional that they might get a silent protag back that this is what the purpose of this thread is.  They know who they are 

Oh, you.

Just stating facts ma'am/sir lol 

Modifié par Aradace, 17 septembre 2011 - 12:32 .

[KenLyns]

Adding fuel to the fire...

[Lunar Savage]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

There are a certain number of specific conditions under which I think a silent protagonist is acceptable.

1 - The game is from a first person perspective.

2 - The rest of the characters do not have dialogue themselves

Now, for a game played exclusively from a third person perspective with in-depth voicing for every single character in the game except for the protagonist leaves a gaping hole in any conversation's flow.

A third person perspective already creates divorcement between myself and the character I have made, a voice doesn't really affect things that much. From a first person perspective, it would be strange to have the protagonist be voiced, because you're actually in the character's shoes. In a third person game, the only use of seeing a silent protagonist in a conversation is either for vanity reasons or seeing them not talking.

Disagree. Half-Life 2 is one of the most boring games I have ever played. And I seriously believe that it's because Freeman has zero personality and never speaks. And in Dragon Age 2, I just wanted Hawk to stfu and let me roleplay (more to the point, I wanted Bioware to stfu and let me roleplay). FPS requires voiced PC characters IMO. While RPGs are better when your character is silent, but not always a requirement...though for Dragon Age, silent is better. Much, much, much, much, muuuuuuuuch better.

[superomer12]

KenLyns wrote...

Adding fuel to the fire...

(snap)

If next protagonist will be that guy, it BETTER BE silent.

Thanks.

[Hello There]

Oopsieoops wrote...

Aradace wrote...

 Here you go folks, I'll lay this to rest right now.  (Unless of course you continue to blindly believe otherwise).  I found a post by Mike Laidlaw himself directly saying that they will NOT be going back to silent protagonist.  So, here you go and enjoy.  (You'll be looking for Mike's second post on the page you are linked to around the middle of the page)

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/315/index/7475089/6

That's nothing new, I'm pretty sure nearly everybody knows about that by now as there were many threads commenting that post the moment it came out. The purpose of this poll isn't to petition anything, it's to see if voiced PC is really as popular as many make it out to be.

Indeed, and also to show Bioware hoe many people want silent.

[Travie]

Yeah, its definitely a split.

My brother and me have always loved RPGs, and we couldn't disagree more on silent vs voiced main characters.

Even though I love silent main characters, I still enjoy ME and Gothic, and visaversa he still enjoys BG2 and Fable.

/shrug

[The Spirit of Dance]

i'm not voting since i honestly can't decide between the two. on one hand the silent character leaves more to the imagination and on the other well your character talks.

[ReaperRain]

Ehh... in this day and age, silent protagonists just don't work anymore. A voice can either bring a character to life or utterly ruin them, depending on the quality, emotional depth, etc. I personally liked male!Hawke's voice but it wasn't for everyone. To some people a throaty voice sounds sexy, for others it sounds lungcancerific. It's down to personal taste.

Recording more than one voice for the encyclopedia-sized script is just too costly, but maybe we can choose to tweak the tone a bit? Not so much that we can sound like Darth Vader, just something subtle. I'll admit, having the same voice for all my Hawke made it harder to distinguish them and role-play, so to speak.

I did prefer DA:O's dialogue system, however. Some people called it clunky and difficult to navigate, I thought it was subtle; there were a lot more shades-of-grey variations than just good/evil/neutral. On the other hand, I liked the fact that picking a 'personality' affected your other dialogue; say if you were aggressive and chose a nice dialogue, Hawke would say it in a blunt way. More stuff like that would be good.

Short version: voiced character, voice adjustment options? And more personality variance!

[TheReignmaker]

I can say I'm fine with the voiced character so long as it can be done without severely limiting choices. I don't think DA2 was convincing in this regard.

[Shadow6773]

For the record... I actually did like female hawks voice. The only problem for me is the VO limits to many dialog choices and gets rid of the grey area as ReaperRain and many others stated.


Honestly, I really liked the DAO dialog/favor system better from a main character and companion standpoint. Another point.. If I say a statement to a person I can give a diff impression just from my tone each time by saying it differently(angry, sarcastic, happy) DA2 did this, but in reality rarely does anyone keep their remarks that one dimensional. This is where I like the silient character(text) better. They can start or with a sarcastic remark(tone) but still make a strong point(serious) after depending on the dialog. With the new system I get the tone but the rest is a guessing game, it gives me little control over what they actually say and the writing so far has me less then enthused by my responses.

Basically..

Until the new system can layered more realistically I consider it flawed, boring and totally dependent on both good VA(and writing) and a large amount of VA. The problem is they never have the budget to put in enough VA to give us varied options. I would rather see a commitment one way or another... I say if they do the VA(which they will) please give us a better conversation system and don't be cheap and skimp out on the amount of VA, do it very well or don't do it at all!

[asaiasai]

If i can get a voiced protagonist with like SAints Row 2 a few voices to choose from then i am ok with a voiced protagonist provided..........

That to provide a voiced protagonist i do not have to toss content, detail, player participation, player customization, and a longer story on the altar of fiscal limitation. It is a pipe dream i know as resources are finite and a voiced protagonst with multiple voice options will take considerable resources to pay for. As this is the reality of the choice my answer is a resounding no.

Interestingly enough as i play DA2 due to the paraphrase system where what i see is not what i will hear when i make a dialog selection i have resorted to saving the game before EVERY encounter where there maybe a chance to miscommunicate. Oddly enough than i mention it, is that between the paraphrase system and the multiple saves necessary to avoid a verbal misque which will require me to reload and redo the conversation i find it very hard to remain immersed in the world. Which, ironically was supposed to be the whole point of the voiced protagonist in the first place. Go figure.

Asai

Modifié par asaiasai, 20 septembre 2011 - 05:20 .

[Aradace]

Hello There wrote...

Oopsieoops wrote...

Aradace wrote...

 Here you go folks, I'll lay this to rest right now.  (Unless of course you continue to blindly believe otherwise).  I found a post by Mike Laidlaw himself directly saying that they will NOT be going back to silent protagonist.  So, here you go and enjoy.  (You'll be looking for Mike's second post on the page you are linked to around the middle of the page)

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/315/index/7475089/6

That's nothing new, I'm pretty sure nearly everybody knows about that by now as there were many threads commenting that post the moment it came out. The purpose of this poll isn't to petition anything, it's to see if voiced PC is really as popular as many make it out to be.

Indeed, and also to show Bioware hoe many people want silent.

That's my point...You're NOT going to be getting it.  No matter how many people vote stoic protagonist.  Keep daydreaming about it all you want, just know that you DO have the information before you now, which means you dont get to get pissed off when DA3 features a voiced protagonist.  Just saying <_<

Modifié par Aradace, 20 septembre 2011 - 10:04 .

[xkg]

^ omg dude what is your problem with this topic please tell me.
Could you stop derailing it ?
You are saying the same thing over and over.
Don't like it don't read it is it so hard for you to understand ?

[bEVEsthda]

^^ Lol, I can make posts like that too. DA2:2, I mean DA3, will sell 70,000 copies.

[Aradace]

xkg wrote...

^ omg dude what is your problem with this topic please tell me.
Could you stop derailing it ?
You are saying the same thing over and over.
Don't like it don't read it is it so hard for you to understand ?

I'll stop derailing it when the select few in this thread that actually think theyll get a silent protag for the next game, actually understand it.  Seriously, this thread should have been dead a looooooooooooooooooooong time ago.  It'd be one thing if it was never stated that you'll never get it back.  But the problem is, the info is there, and those who still think they will, are delusional.  Plain and simple.  And yes, Im saying the same thing over and over again.  And I will continue to do so until every single person gets it into their skulls that no amount of polling...voting...or petitioning will get them their silent protag back.

But again, I can turn your post back on you.  "Omg dude, what is your problem with my stance on this topic?"  and lets not forget "Dont like it, dont read it.  Is it so hard for you to understand?" <--You should follow your own advice on that one mate.  Dont like my opinon on the topic, dont read it, or dont respond to it.  That simple.

@bEVE - Problem is, your statement is complete and utter bs and you're just pulling it out of your arse.  Where as my post, is actual fact.

Modifié par Aradace, 20 septembre 2011 - 08:59 .

[xkg]

bEVE is closer to truth than you. If you don't belive it then you are delusional really. But keep saying all you want, you just don't know how funny you are now lmao ))))

[Pasquale1234]

Aradace wrote...

I'll stop derailing it when the select few in this thread that actually think theyll get a silent protag for the next game, actually understand it.  Seriously, this thread should have been dead a looooooooooooooooooooong time ago.  It'd be one thing if it was never stated that you'll never get it back.  But the problem is, the info is there, and those who still think they will, are delusional.  Plain and simple.  And yes, Im saying the same thing over and over again.  And I will continue to do so until every single person gets it into their skulls that no amount of polling...voting...or petitioning will get them their silent protag back.

And that is still just your opinion.

Yes, I understand that comments have been made that indicate they currently have no plans to abandon the voiced protagonist.  But unlike you, I also understand that sometimes such plans do change, especially in response to feedback from the customer base.

There haven't been any official announcements about any new game thus far.  Certainly there have been some discussions about some of the ideas under consideration, but nothing is yet written in stone.

With no certainty that there is even going to be a DA3, it's awfully premature for anyone - especially anyone outside of Bioware - to be making any assumptions about what form it might take.

Modifié par Pasquale1234, 20 septembre 2011 - 10:24 .

[Morroian]

Pasquale1234 wrote...

Yes, I understand that comments have been made that indicate they currently have no plans to abandon the voiced protagonist. 

They've been stronger than that, Mike Laidlaw in the link above outright said they won't be going back to silent protagonists.

Modifié par Morroian, 20 septembre 2011 - 10:40 .

[Pasquale1234]

Morroian wrote...

Pasquale1234 wrote...

Yes, I understand that comments have been made that indicate they currently have no plans to abandon the voiced protagonist. 

They've been stronger than that, Mike Laidlaw in the link above outright said they won't be going back to silent protagonists.

I've read it.

Anything else you feel the need to add?

ETA:  And that comment was made 4 months ago, in Mike's initial return to the board.  He has been much more cautious in making any such guarantees in his more recent posts.  There have not yet been any official announcements RE another game.

Modifié par Pasquale1234, 20 septembre 2011 - 11:10 .